Newbie 2070 - Airplanes | GAME OVER

[Psyche]

wow that's a pretty snappy replacement at least

[JamesTheNames]

Hi.

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.08

Cessna 208

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Elimination

JamesTheNames

(3, E-2): Psyche, Roden, T3

Psyche

(2): JamesTheNames, ClarkBar

Nancy Drew 39

(1): Val89

Val89

(1): Nancy Drew 39

Not Voting

(2): GrandpaMo, Chuck Shurley

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-06 10:00:49).

Mod notes:

With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

[Roden]

he has been

Oop

Backing off like this is such a townie move I'd almost consider it a town slip

I wasn't going to comment on it because I thought it was self-evident on it's own, but did you read that as something other than "sorry you are so stupid Val, I shouldn't have expected you to play good like us SE slots." I can only assume there was a very surface level reading if it was taken as an actual apology.

Is there something townie about that?

Yes, what you described is exactly why I think it's a townie reaction. A lot of SEs are kinda predictable in newbie games, at least from what I've noticed. Arrogant/cocky/aggressive SEs have a town tell where they either get sweaty and try to solo solve the game, or they recognize they're getting too sweaty for a newbie game and back off. If they're scum, they're just manipulative because they believe they can easily trick newbies (which they actually easily can).

Nancy here seems to fit the mold for the type of SE I'm describing. If she were scum she wouldn't continue to be hostile to you while backing off, or reiterate how frustrated she is and specifically explain why she's frustrated. It could be AtE admittedly, which is why she isn't confirmed town for me. But I don't see how continuing to push the issue here could sort her further or progress the game in any way.

[GrandpaMo]

T3 is town for the above. You can eliminate them from the equation.

dont underesestimate this....


i townread t3 for the exact same reason in newbie 2069 or 68 (w.e the one that ended) lofi one and boom they were scum

[GrandpaMo]

Hi.

hi james am i playing better than our last game uwu

[JamesTheNames]

Hi.

hi james am i playing better than our last game uwu

Good question but I'm not answering it until after the game ends. I'm not letting meta influence it, I don't like meta, I don't think the game could be enjoyable at all if you rely on meta.

[Val89]

i townread t3 for the exact same reason in newbie 2069 or 68 (w.e the one that ended) lofi one and boom they were scum

You are making a rather large assumption that you know my reasons for townreading T3 for that post, and that they are the same as whatever reasons you had.

Out of interest, why do you think I'm townreading T3 for it?

[JamesTheNames]

Regarding the votes on me, one is a prod vote, Psyche's was something I unfortunately can't answer, and Roden seems suspicious.
233 feels like he null reads Blurryx here, 258 feels like he scum reads here. I just find it strange how he appears to have a case on Nancy, but when it doesn't cause a wagon he jumps onto Blurryx's. Scum lean.

While my predecessor did place his vote during the RVS stage, I think it was actually well placed unknowingly.
73 and 269 strikes me as rather hypocritical, it was addressed, kind of. I'm very curious why Psyche in 310 claimed he was being overeager. You agree with whom? I reread every post between 269 and 310 any a time and didn't see anyone bring up 269 nor comment on it. I honestly feel like this is a scumslip that was meant to be in the scum chat but they messed up.
As such my vote is staying here.

314 is scummy. The only reason to hide reasoning would be because you'd be outing a power role. This clearly isn't the case. You have a scum read and 2 nulls.

Nancy is null, her whole reasoning for town reading Mo is meta, that isn't valid in my eyes, most certainly not as a main justification.

My null read is Nancy, my scum leans are Roden and Chuck, and my scum read is Psyche.

[JamesTheNames]

Regarding Roden post 236 is what makes me think he should have / would have voted Nancy.

[Psyche]

While my predecessor did place his vote during the RVS stage, I think it was actually well placed unknowingly.
73 and 269 strikes me as rather hypocritical, it was addressed, kind of. I'm very curious why Psyche in 310 claimed he was being overeager. You agree with whom? I reread every post between 269 and 310 any a time and didn't see anyone bring up 269 nor comment on it. I honestly feel like this is a scumslip that was meant to be in the scum chat but they messed up.
As such my vote is staying here.

ah man i have to like have a whole other tab open to follow this

[JamesTheNames]

Another thing which flagged my about Psyche, and this really doesn't fly with me, in 162 he asked T3 to explain and elaborate on 118 and 120. As far as I can tell, this never occured, and I was wondering why Psyche never pressed for an explanation. His 151 really propels an issue into my mind, he wants fewer people to not vote, I agree this is town sided.

"if every player just sits on the sidelines until someone makes some clear scumslip this could be as far as we get contentwise to do the bare minimum to keep the game flowing, just figure out your best hunch for who's scum, try to articulate as clear a reason why as you can, and lay down a vote to show you mean it it's a wagon not a marriage after all (until someone hammers)"

So why didn't he keep pressing T3, he wanted an explanation since 124 and he never got it, so why didn't he press for more. It feels to me like he posts big posts with varying levels of substance then expects everyone else to do the dirty work. His reason for town reading Mo is disingenuous in my eyes, his comments on ClarkBar, Lunarrest and Nancy in 162 are also just fluff.
His only real comment on Nancy was that having an ick is less terse, "Hmm overall nancy's posting is too terse for me to get a sound read off her despite her steady flow of content. But the stuff in her iso that seems useful for sorting gives off town smells." Which bits? The quotes you supplied don't give off town smells they're null in my eyes so I wouldn't mind an explanation.
His comment on Lunarrest was just for the sake of a comment.
His read on Clark, he agrees with me, and plays well, therefore town. Agreeing on its own doesn't make somebody town, also playing well doesn't make somebody town.

3 bad quality airplane/flying puns incase my Predecessor reads the game again.

[JamesTheNames]

Nod to my last game but before GrandpaMo scum reads me for being inactive. @Mo as of sending this I am going to sleep.

[Psyche]

i don't really follow how 73 and 269 come off as hypocritical; they don't seem to really overlap discursively. i also don't really see why the characterization is relevant anyway? like if the posts are hypocritical, then is that scummy? or what? how?

re:310 my "overeager" note; it was probably pushing too hard to call for us to just go ahead and lynch blurryx while he was unavailable to really engage with any of the criticisms in his post. proper flow would have been to solicit that engagement and then decide between lynching or not.

as for who it was agreeing with? val makes a whole wallpost about the blurryx wagon that starts with the line "I'm more than a little concerned about this taking off as quickly as it is". It's kinda odd that you missed that even after re-reading that entire interval of posts.

[Psyche]

I think the meat of my response to your 336 is that I already mostly townread the people you're referencing and when I townread someone I tend to lose interest in them in their posts unless either something big happens to build up my suspicion or other players start drumming up a wagon on them. The result is often pretty light pbbas/questioning for townreads, if even that. I agree it's a blind spot, but it's a game and when I play games I avoid the boring parts.

This another one of those things I don't really even track the relevance of though. I guess the idea is that maybe I'm not really searching for scum? I think my reaction to that possible accusation is that I have made plenty of posts by now where I try to sort scum.

[Psyche]

It's nice that you're developing thought processes and all but I think a decently skilled player is perfectly capable of these sorts of wallposts as scum. I'm gonna stick to my vote.

[Roden]

Regarding Roden post 236 is what makes me think he should have / would have voted Nancy.

Why would I vote Nancy during my catch up posts? I already explained why I town leaned her before a wagon could even start anyway. I don't have to vote someone just because I'm trying to sort them.

[ClarkBar]

I was sick today, mild head cold and I'm rebounding. Being sick in the summer is the worst.

Quick question to newcomers (and welcome!) how do you feel about the dissolution of the Grandpa wagon and the quick reforming of the James/Blurry slot?

[Roden]

I was sick today, mild head cold and I'm rebounding. Being sick in the summer is the worst.

Quick question to newcomers (and welcome!) how do you feel about the dissolution of the Grandpa wagon and the quick reforming of the James/Blurry slot?

The Grandpa wagon looked bad the moment I saw it lol. Like, idk how you guys let him get to E-1 so quickly, which makes me think scum was on it. I'm liking the pressure on Blurry/James though. I think James is already making better posts than his predecessor at least, but I'm still on board with keeping this wagon going.

I do think it's interesting that Psyche has been the backbone of both wagons. I don't know their meta, are they usually so wagon-happy?

[ClarkBar]

discursively

Not to be insouciant but help me with "discursively".

[ClarkBar]

I do think it's interesting that Psyche has been the backbone of both wagons. I don't know their meta, are they usually so wagon-happy?

I haven't moved my vote for a reason. That said, T3 was on both wagons at specific stages. He votes on both wagons when it is safe, and urged a claim from Grandpa. Like I said, he was eager. After I remove my vote from Grandpa the wagon fell apart.

Why did it fall apart? What reasoning was given for abandoning that wagon? Who left that early E-1 wagon and for what

specific

reasons?

[Psyche]

I do think it's interesting that Psyche has been the backbone of both wagons. I don't know their meta, are they usually so wagon-happy?

i mean this just goes back to my stance that voting has lots of uses besides achieving a lynch

[Psyche]

gotta say i'm often rather confused by the things you guys find confusing
like, didn't we cover this?

[ClarkBar]

Who's confused?

[Psyche]

you are!
guess you don't know it yet though