Open 840 - Guardians of the Fortress [Game Over]

[Lukewarm]

because on the flip side, I have been eliminated in all 4 of my scum games

Actually, I was eliminated in 3 and then vig shot in the 4th

[Tanner]

re 322: keep is still my favourite minigame, as it is the easiest to win, sure. but i think there's more value in me being assigned to where it would benefit town the most rather than me being assigned to the game i want to play the most. and yes, i am fully aware my plan for keep would've won it for my alignment. i have a feeling you're implying that somehow makes me scummy, which, uh.

and it's funny how you don't mention at all how i was uninterested in the keep when ari kept repeating she wanted to vote me there. but whatever fits the narrative, yeah? and i thought it was pretty obvious how my "reinterest" in the keep was not serious, so you missing that and taking it seriously is also shady. but if others also tell me they thought it was serious, i'll concede it was a joke that didn't land and not hold it against you.

[Lukewarm]

And the original question was "should I be town reading you?" And the answer is - probably? but I dont really know why.

I just kinda show up and try my best and generally get town read, and I am here and trying my best, so... probably?

[Prism]

Guardian Assignment Tracker 1.4

Location	Guardians
Gate (0)
Keep (2)	Lukewarm (28), Aristeia (36)
Wall (0)
Unassigned (7)	numberQ, Tanner, DArby, imaginality, Toogeloo, VP Baltar, implosion

7 Guardians remain unassigned. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-12-23 10:50:00).

[Toogeloo]

The reason I was keeping my reads close is because I suspect scum would either be trying to buddy a player they anticipate being with early, or paint that person as scum if they know they are playing with them.

I don't know the right way to play this game during setup, but I wanted to avoid being made a pawn by someone else.

At this point, I'm just checking the thread regularly to see if progress is being made towards teams. I'm getting kind of bored with the setup, and mostly just looking to play some elo. I didn't give much thought to how much wim people would have during setup lol.

[Aristeia]

i went hiking up a hill, and at 4:40 i took a picture of the lavender sky for aristeia, but there were no clouds there today.

ari, do you think i'm unfairly tunnelled on imaginality right now?

I'm sorry it's hard to think straight when I am so happy you took a hike up a hill for me <3

[VP Baltar]

I'm getting kind of bored with the setup, and mostly just looking to play some elo.

This mother fucker lol

[Aristeia]

The reason I was keeping my reads close is because I suspect scum would either be trying to buddy a player they anticipate being with early, or paint that person as scum if they know they are playing with them.

I don't know the right way to play this game during setup, but I wanted to avoid being made a pawn by someone else.

At this point, I'm just checking the thread regularly to see if progress is being made towards teams. I'm getting kind of bored with the setup, and mostly just looking to play some elo. I didn't give much thought to how much wim people would have during setup lol.

this is kind of true

we really don't need to tell scum everything about our reads atp

[Toogeloo]

I'm getting kind of bored with the setup, and mostly just looking to play some elo.

This mother fucker lol

[Tanner]

"just looking to play some yelo" is a cursed sentence.

but also, if everyone were to play that way, that would make this day completely pointless... it's like trying to escape wifom by having zero information out. why.

[numberQ]

Tanner's a stronger TR for me than Luke. I disagree with this point:

[snip]

I have been kinda watching you ever since post 83. You suddenly deciding that you " i

already

don't want to go to the keep"

I was surprised that you were suddenly so turned off of the keep, I expected that you be your top choice even without your plan. And your plan, frankly, wins the keep for you whether you are town or scum. My worry has been that you had a plan to win the keep as scum, but if that plan did not work, you were going to transition to angling for the wall.

So, you being uninterested in the keep when I was saying that I could vote for Ari, and still uninterested with Ari said that they could vote for me - but suddenly reinterested if we both commit to voting the third slot is giving me the heebie-jeebies

[snip]

To me, the evolution of Tanner's thought process here only looks unnatural when it's cherry picked like this.

[Lukewarm]

uh... the thing that peaked my interests was that you didn't go to "being assigned to where it would benefit town" you went to "i already don't want to go to the keep." And that is what surprised me. Not wanting to go to the Keep without your plan. And, I kinda try to read slots in a "what I would do/think if I were scum" and if I were scum, I would not want to go to the keep because I would not want to be in the hardest game to win, unless I had a plan, so heebie-jeebies.

And, why the hell would I have mentioned it before, if I am actively watching to see if you keep moving in the direction that I think you might be? That totally defeats the purpose

[Lukewarm]

Tanner's a stronger TR for me than Luke. I disagree with this point:

[snip]

I have been kinda watching you ever since post 83. You suddenly deciding that you " i

already

don't want to go to the keep"

I was surprised that you were suddenly so turned off of the keep, I expected that you be your top choice even without your plan. And your plan, frankly, wins the keep for you whether you are town or scum. My worry has been that you had a plan to win the keep as scum, but if that plan did not work, you were going to transition to angling for the wall.

So, you being uninterested in the keep when I was saying that I could vote for Ari, and still uninterested with Ari said that they could vote for me - but suddenly reinterested if we both commit to voting the third slot is giving me the heebie-jeebies

[snip]

To me, the evolution of Tanner's thought process here only looks unnatural when it's cherry picked like this.

I feel like you (and possibly tanner, not sure) are taking this as "why I think tanner is definitly scum here" when it is much more "why I am not comfortable planning to vote him atm"

To be frank, if it were me + ari + tanner, I would either try to get myself voted or just vote for Ari > Tanner. So, if people want imaginality's plan, then tanner should not be the choice for it.

[numberQ]

The reason I was keeping my reads close is because I suspect scum would either be trying to buddy a player they anticipate being with early, or paint that person as scum if they know they are playing with them.

[snip]

Can you elaborate on this? I don't know if it's just my reading comprehension but I think you just said "in this situation, scum would either do this thing, or this other diametrically opposed thing", and I don't get how that's useful.

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pedit: Maybe you already answered this, my bad if so. But who would you be comfortable voting in that 3rd slot?

[Tanner]

uh... the thing that peaked my interests was that you didn't go to "being assigned to where it would benefit town" you went to "i already don't want to go to the keep." And that is what surprised me. Not wanting to go to the Keep without your plan. And, I kinda try to read slots in a "what I would do/think if I were scum" and if I were scum, I would not want to go to the keep because I would not want to be in the hardest game to win, unless I had a plan, so heebie-jeebies.

And, why the hell would I have mentioned it before, if I am actively watching to see if you keep moving in the direction that I think you might be? That totally defeats the purpose

my preferred plan was ruined. what gives you the idea that i should keep jumping at going to the keep when the main reason that i wanted to go there is now unachievable?

like, if we end up deciding that my place would best be served at the keep, i will go there. but i no longer have a preference for executing my plan because it's no longer possible to execute.

you should've mentioned it because it defeats your whole point of "tanner is opportunistically trying to join the keep"? the latter part of your post makes it seems like you were trying to honestly evaluate my slot, but the fact that you failed to mention something so important is not giving any vibes of honesty at all.

[Lukewarm]

Maybe you already answered this, my bad if so. But who would you be comfortable voting in that 3rd slot?

Implo is probably my top choice atm

[Lukewarm]

my preferred plan was ruined. what gives you the idea that i should keep jumping at going to the keep when the main reason that i wanted to go there is now unachievable?

That is not what I was saying.

you should've mentioned it because it defeats your whole point of "tanner is opportunistically trying to join the keep"? the latter part of your post makes it seems like you were trying to honestly evaluate my slot, but the fact that you failed to mention something so important is not giving any vibes of honesty at all.

This is wild though. Like I don't think you are even thinking about what I said I was doing. My read on you was you as null-ish, with a worry that I was tracking to see if it played out a certain way.

Why would I announce to you that I was null reading you, and then also tell you the metric of what I was tracking you on, basically telling you what to avoid doing if you really were scum. Someone that I am trying some what to learn from on how to solve games refers to it as being in a "information gathering stage"

But, I dropped that specifically because I was being asked if I was currently comfortable with planning to vote for you in the Keep. So, at that moment I decided that it was better to lay it all out there, and explain why I was not comfortable doing that.

[Tanner]

what?

dude, you quite literally told me the metric you're tracking me on. you quite literally pointed out the exact thing that you didn't like about me:

So, you being uninterested in the keep when I was saying that I could vote for Ari, and still uninterested with Ari said that they could vote for me - but suddenly reinterested if we both commit to voting the third slot is giving me the heebie-jeebies

and i'm saying that the above is dishonest nonsense because it completely fails to account for the fact that i have been told by aristeia to assign myself at the keep

multiple times

because she wants to vote me, and i kept refusing.

[Tanner]

why would you do that? i don't know. but you did that. and you weren't even correct in doing that. so...?

[Aristeia]

maybe you are refusing because you would feel guilty about tricking me?

I think that would only make me love you more ~.~

[Tanner]

uh... the thing that peaked my interests was that you didn't go to "being assigned to where it would benefit town" you went to "i already don't want to go to the keep." And that is what surprised me.

okay, sure. when y'all ruined my plan for the keep, i said that i don't want to go there anymore, because i had no reason to prefer keep over other places (other than for the fact keep is the easiest, but hey i'm not that selfish). then i spent a decent amount of time trying to figure out the best assignment from the slots left, and then i said that i'll go wherever it's the most pro-town place for me to go. what part of that is so surprising?

[Aristeia]

what was your plan for the keep?

I am sorry I keep forgetting things >_<

[Tanner]

(1) get townread
(2) go to keep with two biggest scumreads
(3) bonus: one of them gets swapped with someone
(4) they vote me, i self hammer, keep is won and we have info from there
(5) ???
(6) profit

[Aristeia]

so you never wanted to go with me :<

heartbreaking

[Tanner]

i wanted to keep the fortress safe for all of us :<