Large Normal 238 | Weiqi, Baduk, Go | Endgame

[VP Baltar]

Hi datisi!

I have good news and I have bad news.

[tenebrousluminary]

substance of Nero Cain's argument.

What do you think of the substance of my argument?

It's good. If fua and Datisi did not exist, I would join you.

[tenebrousluminary]

Furthermore, in the bottom of 266, they treat me like they know I am town.

Can you give me specifics of what you're seeing there?

The kid gloves thing -- "I would recommend you do this (in order for me to town read you)" is a strange thing to say to a suspect. I think they had a guilty conscience about their crappy attack on me.

[fua]

i like the directions that fua and nero are looking so far, but after some research wu looks exaaaactly like he did in newbie 2073 so im less interested in that for now. tene and monkey i am more on board with

I disagree. In that game Wu gets to the meat of things quicker and posts more game-related content involving his thoughts and his reads. Compare that ISO to this one and the latter looks a lot more bare in comparison. Here he makes one tentative statement on an interaction and then when he gets suspected his rebuttal is to accuse Nero of slipping by asking him how he knows how many mafia there are. Maybe it’s something something timeframe but to me these two don’t match up.

[Datisi]

Hi datisi!

I have good news and I have bad news.

hi baltar!!

give me the good news first, i'm in need of some right now.

[tenebrousluminary]

some people not mentioned in your list haven't even posted?? excuse me for asking i guess

class starting back again, cheers

I don't like the way Datisi focused on nitpicking rather than the substance of Nero Cain's argument.

have you decided you're just gonna mindlessly tunnel every post i make this game? i logged in during my break, saw that nero was supposedly townreading people that hadn't posted, i asked him about it. do you think "nitpicking" that makes me scummy?

I would like to know how you came up with this "mindless" idea. I have been quite clear about why I think the posts of yours I have criticized are scummy to me. It has not been mindless at all.

So long as you continue to make such posts, I will continue to suspect you, yes. Is being scumread so alien to you as to be upsetting?

[VP Baltar]

Hi datisi!

I have good news and I have bad news.

hi baltar!!

give me the good news first, i'm in need of some right now.

Good news is I'm town!

[Datisi]

what's the bad news?

[Nero Cain]

would someone just tell me who we are going to kick off the island, monkey or Wu? I need to know where to focus my energy!

[fireisredsir]

nero what makes you townread tene?

[fua]

Furthermore, in the bottom of 266, they treat me like they know I am town.

Can you give me specifics of what you're seeing there?

The kid gloves thing -- "I would recommend you do this (in order for me to town read you)" is a strange thing to say to a suspect. I think they had a guilty conscience about their crappy attack on me.

No, it’s actually a perfectly reasonable thing to say. If you’re town your goal is to not be voted for. I tell you what you need to do to be less scrutinized instead of death tunneling you like you’re doing Datisi. I wouldn’t need to use kid gloves if you understood how not attempting to avoid being miselimmed negatively affects town if you are town.

[Datisi]

I would like to know how you came up with this "mindless" idea. I have been quite clear about why I think the posts of yours I have criticized are scummy to me. It has not been mindless at all.

So long as you continue to make such posts, I will continue to suspect you, yes. Is being scumread so alien to you as to be upsetting?

because it seems like you've decided you're gonna scumread me and are forcing my posts into a scum mindset, as opposed to actually reading them and coming to alignment-indicative conclusions.

and i find it dubious at best that you would consider a post like that scummy, considering its context. i'm not upset, i'm just calling bs out when i see it.

[Datisi]

baltar, this cliffhanger sucks, 1/10

[Nero Cain]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected


lets kill Wu

[fua]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected


lets kill Wu

That was one of the things that set my alarm bells off the most. Instant red flag for me.

[GeneralWu]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected

I agree.

[Nero Cain]

speaking of kids gloves-I once solved a mini normal and in 3p Lylo I ended up calling calling the guy tunneling me a town terrorist. He voted me and scum quickhammered. Kinda funny though

[fua]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected

I agree.

This should also concern you, Nero.

[Nero Cain]

idk, maybe.

[Save The Dragons]

Save the Dragons is also town.

woo hoo!

[Nero Cain]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected

I agree.

This should also concern you, Nero.

though if Wu is scum he could just kinda troll and cause confusion, no?

[Datisi]

Pedit @dats me questioning you abt your vote. The more i ask you abt it the more i feel like there was no initial reasoning and you're trying ti back-justify it

And my issue is that you presented it as a scumread and the reasoning you gave was somewhat empty

And now you're saying it was more of a reaction vote? Why is my reaction scummy?

do you expect there to be some super strong case / reasoning from me on page 2-4, whatever it is? (when i'm not playing with ico, that is ) like, A Thing from tenebro pinged me, i decided to vote him for it, both to show that i got bad pings from his slot, and to see if any interesting things happen as a result from it. i do this *checks notes* all the fucking time as both alignments. which is something that you should know, and the fact that you're giving me shit for having an "empty" vote early on is, like, not a good look.

like, what's your idea here? that scum!me panicked, made a random vote that i had no idea how to justify because i thought i wouldn't get asked about it?? then when, surprise, did get asked about it, i only then started thinking about a justification?? like you know better than this...

[fua]

sorta felt like 130 is a sassy town reaction to being suspected

I agree.

This should also concern you, Nero.

though if Wu is scum he could just kinda troll and cause confusion, no?

That’s why I’m still on Wu and we can see what happens next. Wouldn’t be opposed to Tenebro but I think this is better for now.

[Datisi]

Datisi do you think I am meme-pushing you? Is that why you feel rather unaffected by my push on you? I can assure you that I am not memeing with this push on you.

anyone who thinks they can lockscum me on page 2 is lying either to themselves or to everyone else

you may not be meming but the push itself is a meme

I see a contradiction here. If you really were so unconcerned about this push, you would not need to dismiss it this way.

*blinks*

like, this is what i mean when i say specifically looking for scum motivation in my posts. it feels like latching on to whatever i say in order to try to force a contradiction out. do i seem concerned? why wouldn't i dismiss it by saying something about it?

206 makes me like fire and dislike frogs, mostly the townread on generalwu for those posts is questionable

the second part of 207 feels like something that noob!scum says because they took a post too literally. but, i don't think it necessarily makes deasvail scum, since i think i recall someone calling him good at scum in that tm2021 game, and good scum isn't prone to such cognitive-overload mistakes

VOTE: fireisredsir

why? what happened to disliking my tenebro vote?

what's the correlation between that and voting fireisredsir?

They also never voted you over disliking your tenebro vote

iirc, she had just said she disliked something i did, and then she voted fire, when the kind of logical conclusion of events should've been that she votes me

[tenebrousluminary]

like, this is what i mean when i say specifically looking for scum motivation in my posts. it feels like latching on to whatever i say in order to try to force a contradiction out. do i seem concerned? why wouldn't i dismiss it by saying something about it?

To me, it seems like Yeet's push made you sweat. Resorting to discrediting it as a meme rather than either ignoring it because of not being concerned or confronting the substance, to me is the action of mafia. One could call it "dismissive." I could be wrong, of course.