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[humaneatingmonkey]

Dwlee has 5 posts and none of them strike me as Towny Posts that especially Town Town. if you disagree with that, point me to the town post that I missed. so anyone with a TR there is already kinda inherently odd to me.

meanwhile, I have some 46 posts. I'll grant that there's almost certainly reasons to worry about or suspect me in those 46 posts, especially since I also don't think I'm a player that should be easily townread. that's the nature of mafia

however, I think from a general probability sense, if you're looking at two players and thinking you have more confidently sorted the one with 5 posts as not-scum than the player with 46, on D1 without any flips for associatives or hard information, then I would say

at best

you are biasing, either against me or pro-Dwlee. when you have Dwlee as town and me as scum at this point, especially in part

because

I'm voting Dwlee, to me it feels like you're suggesting that a dwlee redflip would surprise you more than a GL greenflip. I have a hard time grokking that perspective.

gut says this is scum. i bet i can explain why. but I'll need to focus on work now.

[GuiltyLion]

I got into this exact argument literally just in my last game and I was right about redtea there too, who was being read as town for being "lazy" and not solving and oops turns out the simple obvious explanation was correct and they were scum.

I think townreading Dwlee for this "image management" point is bad. If your argument is that Dwlee knows how to be townread for "image" as scum then they owe it to us to image themself equally as town so that we don't mistakenly suspect them. Being so quick to get defensive at the first sign of pressure from koba is not inherently townie. I don't even care about any of the traitor reaction test stuff cause I can't read it myself, my read is all about the tepid RVS vote and the defensive response to being called frozen.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[3] Dwlee99: Gamma Emerald, GuiltyLion, Testarossa
[3] GuiltyLion: Dwlee99, Not Known 15, humaneatingmonkey
[2] Meuh: tictac, marcistar
[1] tictac: Meuh
[1] Not Known 15: DkKoba
[1] humaneatingmonkey: Roden

[1] Not voting: ChaosOmega

With 12 players alive, 7 votes are needed for an elimination.

D1: deadline: (expired on 2022-03-29 21:32:48)

[marcistar]

VOTE: Meuh

is this rvs? can you share your read on Meuh?

It isn't random..

I've played with Meuh quite a bit since we're friends, I often send her game links and ask her to sign up with me!! In all of those games, she's been town and I think she usually just ... has alot more to say than she already has at this point. I feel like shes usually out there very townily towning it up and being sort of like a townblock creator. So I think its weird she hasn't done much yet, i'm not sure if shes scum but I wanna see whats up yknow? !!

[humaneatingmonkey]

Can I sell you on the GuiltyLion wagon? We can sort Meuh later.

FWIW i was recently in a trustfall game with Meuh and she was lurking it up the whole time as town.

[marcistar]

I think you guyses fight just looks like a fight made just to fight tho

kiss and make up rn

[humaneatingmonkey]

we're not fighting, i think he's scum. do you want to ask me why?

[marcistar]

really? it looks like a fight you were like

grrr lion why wont u vote me

Isnt that why u scumread him? pls explain why you do?

[marcistar]

Good morning everyone!!! Let’s obliterate scum

VOTE: tictac

let me give you a list of players who have played in a game with me before:


tictac
Testarossa
marcistar
ChaosOmega
Meuh
GuiltyLion
DkKoba
Dwlee99
Gamma Emerald
Not Known 15
Roden
humaneatingmonkey

When have we ever played together?

vs

meuhs first post in trustfall

u cant tell me theres no difference

[humaneatingmonkey]

lion thinks dwlee is scum for being "frozen" (not being able to reply as soon as, a thing made up by koba through their reaction test) and being overly defensive (which he also later realized that it could just be personality). sound like he null reads dwlee, right? (he later reinforces that he finds Dwlee still scummy for these reasons, backtracking on his progress on the slot).

meanwhile, he scumreads me but refuses to do more with my slot than slinging questions on my alignment. why? because he still wants to pressure his nullread Dwlee (whose wagon has fizzled out). why won't he pressure the scum that — in his town!POV — dragging his town name to the ground and engaging him right to his face? the answer is he's not town, and he's trying hard not to escalate.

even if you're not convinced and you nullread him at best, your vote could be productive as it would lead to a gamestate where we have actual wagons.

[humaneatingmonkey]

in our spat, you would notice that he's really trying hard to appease the scum baiting him into a 1v1 — instead of sorting me right here and there. is this town behavior? not really.

[humaneatingmonkey]

u cant tell me theres no difference

not yet. but i think meuh will be sortable if we create an event where she would need to take a position. this event is the guiltylion wagon.

let's do it, marci!

[marcistar]

how does he nullread dwlee what im confused

[marcistar]

though maybe yeah idk

i remember there was one game where he didnt care about the wagon size of who he was pushingtho i cant remember the name

i still like voting meuh better tho bestie

[humaneatingmonkey]

VOTE: Guilty lion
Not letting you get past me again

Well hello to you too!

VOTE: Dwlee99

Dwlee, can you link me to any prior town games of yours where you RVS voted someone based on a past game together like this? I think this style of RVS intro vote is slightly +scum, it's an easy/convenient reason to plop down your first vote and I'm also a lil pinged that you didn't really say hi or otherwise engage me directly

I never said nor meant to imply you were lying about it, I believe you. My issue is rather that you brought it up at all. who cares if koba thinks you are "frozen" or not?? you chose to say your IRL reason for not posting in the game just a couple hours into gamestart, it's the fact that you compelled to do that to reply to Koba that bothers me, not the reasoning itself. if his frozen accusation has no validity because it had no bearing on your alignment, why bring up something that has no bearing on your alignment (being out with friends) in response, especially when it's not like anyone else was agreeing with or sheeping Koba?

ehhh actually I'm thinking about this more and I'm not sure it's an especially great point

I think the main thing I didn't like is this idea that a. because you are out with friends and therefore not frozen scum, b. we're supposed to believe that you're town

but I'm realizing in fairness if you

know

you're town, it might make sense as a response, and I might be assuming/projecting b) when you didn't mean to suggest it to that degree.

I do think you're being defensive but that might be more of a personality trait here

then his later backtrack

I got into this exact argument literally just in my last game and I was right about redtea there too, who was being read as town for being "lazy" and not solving and oops turns out the simple obvious explanation was correct and they were scum.

I think townreading Dwlee for this "image management" point is bad. If your argument is that Dwlee knows how to be townread for "image" as scum then they owe it to us to image themself equally as town so that we don't mistakenly suspect them. Being so quick to get defensive at the first sign of pressure from koba is not inherently townie. I don't even care about any of the traitor reaction test stuff cause I can't read it myself, my read is all about the tepid RVS vote and the defensive response to being called frozen.

[humaneatingmonkey]

though maybe yeah idk

i remember there was one game where he didnt care about the wagon size of who he was pushingtho i cant remember the name

i still like voting meuh better tho bestie

please please please may i borrow your vote

I'll join any wagon you want in return

[DkKoba]

ok hem is town lol

[DkKoba]

ill humor this VOTE: GL

[DkKoba]

dwlee still hasnt replied in hood btw

[DkKoba]

GL, is HEM town?

[GuiltyLion]

lion thinks dwlee is scum for being "frozen".

Nope, never said this. Said I didn't like their reaction to being called frozen. Misrepped by the very first sentence lmao

[GuiltyLion]

GL, is HEM town?

I certainly don't see it. Why do you think he is?

[GuiltyLion]

he later reinforces that he finds Dwlee still scummy for these reasons, backtracking on his progress on the slot

How is it "progress" when Dwlee literally has not posted at all

Ive had nothing new to reevaluate them on

And again, I was rethinking ONE PARTICULAR POINT I MADE, not the whole read

[GuiltyLion]

because he still wants to pressure his nullread Dwlee (whose wagon has fizzled out)

Has it fizzled? It's the leading wagon

[GuiltyLion]

the answer is he's not town, and he's trying hard not to escalate.

Dude I'll argue with you all fucking day if you're going to keep coming at me. Consider it escalated