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Christian, who is Jack's father, died in Australia shortly before the plane crash. Jack brought his father's coffin on the plane. When he found it later on the island after the crash, it was empty. OOOO SPOOKY

Vote Count 1.7

6 Cephrir (Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, PenguinPower, The toad)

3 PookyTheMagicalBear (Lukewarm, Bell, Cephrir)

1 Corwin (Cytosine and Guanine)
1 Dancing Puppets (Malakittens)
1 BlueBloodedToffee (Cat Scratch Fever)
1 The toad (Rad)
1 Off the Hook (Frogsterking)
1 Lukewarm (Galron)
1 Rad (Off the Hook)

Not Voting (Dancing Puppets, Toogeloo, MalcolmTucker, , Roden, Corwinoid, Enchant, Dunnstral, JohnnyFarrar, T-Bone, Klick)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Pagetop! :3
I'm really tired let me know if i make any mistakes

Frogster's obviously scum but can we pretend we don't know that for the next 4 days to get some more info out of him before we inevitably feed him to the polar bears?

MOD HACKERY

In post 323, Frogsterking wrote:I'm tempted to townread pooky because their persona seems different from D1 in the large theme KTANE game

Bad frog.

Yeah but I did it effortlessly you're working hard for it.

ok STD you can't spam the thread full of empty posts so you can delete them for pagetops later that's against the Site Rules for Pagetop Ownership. I am recording pagetops on the OFFICIAL scoreboard according to when they are actually made

In post 318, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok do something cute then

I tried and failed to find a cute lost cat gif. You'll have to try again later!

UNABLE TO CONJURE UP CUTENESS!

SUSP!

Tbone do something about this

You have a game mod gone mad with power

Yeah but I like STD so I will heroically turn a blind eye.

the corruption runs all the way to the top

shocking

In post 296, Frogsterking wrote:I'm waiting to hear more from you about your own reads, Rad.

Sure. I'm leaning town on a few people. Off The Hook. PenguinPower. Pooky. Nothing specific about them, just some early vibes that I don't weigh too heavily but they are there.

Lean scum on The toad. I think 156 is reading too deeply into my question. I could only come up with 2 good explanations as noted in 167, and I'm leaning towards the scum read.

No other real reads atm. I think Lukewarm has given enough good content to come to a reasonable early read, which I might go do now. Most people are still joking around so it's hard to tell what's what yet. Also this is such a huge game I don't even know how to approach it. I think the wagon on Ceph was interesting but not sure what I can get out of it yet.

In post 328, Bell wrote:

In post 323, Frogsterking wrote:I'm tempted to townread pooky because their persona seems different from D1 in the large theme KTANE game

Bad frog.

Lmao it's dif though he's spamming up the thread here, he was a little more careful D1 in that other game than he's being here.

I have a town pile forming:

Pooky
Penguin
Dunnstral
The toad ( my townread from my first post)

Scum pile:

Rad (scumread from my first post)
Off the Hook

PEdit:

I'm rescinding my scumread on Rad based on their post just now explaining their reads.

Frogster making a nuanced read on the differences between Pooky Town Spam and Pooky Scum Spam. W I L D

what happened to the madman who believed in changelings and who the fuck is typing away at the keyboard right now.

[quote="In post 338

what happened to the madman who believed in changelings and who the fuck is typing away at the keyboard right now.[/quote]

He's still here, brewing beneath the surface.

So I went ahead and read through Luke's ISO so far...

luke's 85 is referring to Off the Hook (marci version I think... yeah confirmed in 166). I think this town read is a super easy thing for scum!Luke to say to town!OTH, but also a reasonably easy thing for scum!Luke to say to scum!OTH. Does town!Luke really have this much confidence in a town read that soon based on meta alone?

luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?

Beyond that, for the most part, Luke's posts are just about the game's flavor, some past game banter, some non-AI style conversations about game rules or theory.

I'm not saying Luke's just trying to look useful without saying much... but... yeah that's the impression I just got from reading the ISO so far. I mean I was expecting to go into it and get some decent content out of it, but it was really thin on anything useful. I know it's early game so everyone's been spamming a bunch of useless bs, but Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Hey take a quick glance at Luke's ISO and tell me if you see the same lack of content. I ask you specifically because of your 270 which makes me believe you've got an eye for that sort of thing.

In post 174, The toad wrote:VOTE: Cephrir

Think Rad has confidence, seems more like newish town than scum imo.

Happy to opportunistically hop on the flashwagon

Which posts gave you this feeling?

The read change is a bit surprising, since these posts gave me the impression that you didn't like Rad's posts:


VOTE: The toad

In post 340, Rad wrote:Does town!Luke really have this much confidence in a town read that soon based on meta alone?

How much confidence do you think that I have in that read exactly?

luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?

I think that in general, early unprompted PR claims are more likely to come from town. And that is completely divorced from the claim itself.

But also, the claim itself seems like something that scum would in particular avoid claiming this early if real. And furthermore, a pretty risky thing to fake claim beacuse the mod confirmed that there is someone who can do that, and therefore could lead to a counter claim if faked.

All in all, claiming in that way period, and also the claim itself lend me to think it is more likely that Mala is town this game

Mildly annoyed that you landed on "Luke did not think it through" then asking me for follow up :/

In post 340, Rad wrote:Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Rad's prob town

In post 342, Lukewarm wrote:How much confidence do you think that I have in that read exactly?

You tell me?

In post 342, Lukewarm wrote:Mildly annoyed that you landed on "Luke did not think it through" then asking me for follow up :/

Sorry for being annoying, but look at that, you followed up anyway! And that's a good thing right? How much confidence do you think I have in you being scum right now?

Anyway, I'm trying my hardest not to argue with people why THEY'RE scum, and instead just putting my reads out there for others to confirm or deny. So asking you to follow up felt counter-productive here. You can follow up if you want (and you did!) but I wasn't really looking for your opinion on your ISO, I wanted frogster's

I'm not super convinced by your explanation on your Mala read but I get it and it's a reasonable thing for a town!Luke to believe. scum!Luke basically has to give that exact explanation so either way, it is what it is.

So do y'all like take physical notes for these larges? I have never completed one

I've never taken notes in my life

How much confidence do you think I have in you being scum right now?

I doubt you have much confidence at all in me being scum. You didn't even vote me lol.

In post 344, Rad wrote:You can follow up if you want (and you did!) but I wasn't really looking for your opinion on your ISO, I wanted frogster's

I did not really expect you to ask me my opinion on myself. More of a "Hey Luke, you have not really explained your town read on Mala. Why do you town read her." Instead of guessing, and then deciding that your own guess was a bad reason to town read her.

In post 344, Rad wrote:

In post 342, Lukewarm wrote:How much confidence do you think that I have in that read exactly?

You tell me?

This was also me pointing out that you said

In post 340, Rad wrote:Does town!Luke really have this much confidence

Instead of asking "Hey Luke, how confident are you in that Marci read?"

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I feel like looking at isos and just making statements about it, instead of asking the necessary follow up questions to really understand what you are looking at feels like an odd approach.

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As for answering the "You tell me?" aspect of how confident I am on the Marci read (and this applies to the Mala read as well):

Good enough for Day 1.

My general approach for day 1 in very large games is to have a pretty low bar of "good enough for Day 1" because there are simply too many players in the game to properly analyze everyone here.

My good enough for Day 1 list will slowly grow through out the day, and then when we reach the end I will look at the wagons to see if there is someone off that list being wagoned.

Unless something jumps out at me as particularly scummy. That can change the game plan. But unless that happens, thats really the best I can do when I am in a game with more then like 14 people alive and 0 flips

In post 299, T-Bone wrote:I was gonna vote but Pooky talked me out of it.

Dont play with our hearts like this

In post 347, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like looking at isos and just making statements about it, instead of asking the necessary follow up questions to really understand what you are looking at feels like an odd approach.

Think about it this way.

Did you feel more pressure with me totally avoiding talking to you about it initially and instead openly pushing someone else to think about it?

Will I also get reaction content out of Frogster if he responds that will further help with reads on both of you down the line?

Or yeah I guess I could have just asked you a simple question and waited for an answer...