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Nobody did explain why he was rez'd, did they?

Plum wrote: This. Seriously. Andrius, you're smarted than this.

He is, officially, a Murderer.
He cannot win with us anymore.
He HAS to go Murderer to win.
See it now?

Why me, Iece?

Goddammit.
Am I just stupid, or what?

Just reread the Psycopathy thing, and Benmage has to attempt another kill to become Murderer.
THEN kill 3 times (assuming #2 fails) to win as murderer.

Shit, I guess RC was right. :/

xvart Post 3232 wrote:The only ways I see Furculow getting an insanity last night (provided he was telling the truth yesterday and had zero yesterday) is warding a dead player (wicked would be the only reasonable assumption here, and Furculow said he would ward Iecrint), passed a fetish, crafted three fetishes, robbed a grave (he wasn't assigned to this), or stalked. Or he received a Fetish of himself.

Isn't being killed one of the last actions resolved? If so furc didn't get his insanity from a poss wicked ward. If he is town like most of us think, he probably stalked you. furc having an insanity certainly makes things a little more interesting but I still think he is more likely town. Not happy that you chose to kill him, but it makes you confirmed so there is some benefit. Just wish we could have seen some cult flips before taking vig shots.

Andrius Post 3240 wrote:I took Solist so that I could search for something else and drop the Occult Books. And with Obsession, I had to get rid of the books. I didn't want to target someone more insane than me (Benmage) just to get rid of the books, so I did it this way.

I don't get it.

You had to commune because of obbession.
You picked VP because you didn't want to target someone who was more insane than you just to get rid of the books?
You then picked solist so you rid yourself of the books?

This whole thing sounds ass backwards to me. You could have at least tried to commune someone suspious looking with the chance of dropping the books that way.

Andrius Post 3240 wrote:Since xvart is out of the way:

Vote: SpyreX

. I'm going to assume that someone warded ElG's grave, and have faith that BOTH Spy AND Trilo didn't follow the plan on purpose.

Hi. We robbed Furpants like the roster dictated.

Right now our top two suspects are Spy and Andrius. With Andrius we have noitced that he has a knack for being invisible during most of the day until around hammertime. Ontop of that, his explaination for comuning VP is really poor.



Spy has been pretty scummy, his tunneling of AV and basically being in the background all game does stink. Still we can't shake the feeling of a possible set up here and we aren't interested in a quick lynch.

Oj is sort of back in our hydra so we should be back to full strength now.

~Sotty

I agree with Andrius' sub-radar play. Note how he kept his RVS for the duration of D1. Note how I keep forgetting he's even in this game. I also agree that warding the grave could set Spy up, which is an interesting argument. Of course, cultSpy could have warded the grave to use that as an argument against him being cult. Spirals ensue.

Yeah, warding the grave makes sense for cultspyXtowng and townspyXcultg. Ugh. I was hoping to get some insight on the Spy question.

With the ward as corroborating evidence, I think it's almost certain that Spyrex and ElG are opposite alignments. That being the case, I don't see why we need to lynch him unless they ward ElG's grave all the way until LYLO. If they do so, they're just taking on even more insanities they have to explain away. Unless I'm missing something...?

Youre missing that there is 0 cult dead, 0 leads, and mounting evidence that Spy is cult. Why do you want to keep a cult alive. Its mind bottling. They can use Spy to totally fuck with us knowing he's gonna eventually die. Not killing him now would be the dumbest thing ever.

The only reason he lives is some farfetched theory that our dead Guy ressed him. Ridiculous.

Anyone who can't see that he needs to die really needs to reassess their Mafia play (if town).

The chance that Spy is scum is certainty greater than the chance he's scum, but there is a non-zero chance he's town and a way we can test it.

"Zero leads" is really the watershed issue. A Spyrex lynch has a better chance of hitting cult than most other people. So he's equivalent to other strong cult reads, but a bit worse of a lynch than them in that we have a chance of learning he's town. Still, it's not worth keeping him around if we're not certain on who we lynch instead. If we have a big block of cultbags, we want to lynch Spy last, but I was forgetting that we don't really have a big block of cultbags. (I was thinking of our big block of morons.) On reflection I don't really have another strong cult read, so:

VOTE: Spyrex

I disagree with people that say we NEED a Spy lynch today, but if you're not voting for Spyrex it should be because you have a sexier wagon for us to hop on.

- (Benmage, VasudeVa, AurorusVox, Andrius, Plum, Wraith, hitorogoshi)
- (Trilobite)

Not Voting (8) - (, , Baby Spice, , Feysal, , Iecerint, kunkstar7, Nicodemus, nopointinactingup, , Seacore, SpyreX, totallynotmafia, Triglav, , , VP Baltar, , xvart)

The deadline for today's lynch is Saturday, 18 December 2010 at 1:30:00 AM (default site time).

CD4

Username:

totallynotmafia

Did you Hear Noise?

No

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

None

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

Wicked was bloody.

Are you bloody?

No.

Twitch?

No

Wicked being bloody before he died is a bit worrying, either he thought it wasn't necessary to launder (which i thought we established it was imperitive to do so earlier), or he was planning on going murderer after becoming confirmed investigator, which is worrying because others may be tempted to do the same, I know if I had become confirmed early in the game I would have though about it.

We know one thing for certain - the person who rezzed SpyreX is cult (unless an investigator is lying, which hopefully isn't the case). Really then, the only way SpyreX couldn't be cult as well is if the cult were trying to frame him, which is a pretty big stretch if they had no idea Spyrex was going to be murdered in the first place which I think was the case (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).

So yeah I'd be pretty happy with his lynch, it's quite likely cult didn't want to risk two people being caught out so they just didn't claim the resuscitation. Let's hear from him first though.

^ FPT could have rezzed SX.

CD4

Username:

Kunkstar7

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy, Solist

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No

Are you bloody?

No

Twitch?

*twitch*

Claiming then reading.

TNM wrote:Really then, the only way SpyreX couldn't be cult as well is if the cult were trying to frame him, which is a pretty big stretch if they had no idea Spyrex was going to be murdered in the first place which I think was the case (somebody correct me if I'm wrong).

He heard noise. Assuming cult didn't target him that night, they know he was targeted by either stalk or a failed rez. In addition, reading Ben's posts made it fairly clear that Spyrex was a potential murder target. Framing him would be pretty useful if coupled with a ElG too-scummy-to-be-scum WIFOM psuedoclear attempt. This is why I wanted an ElG flip before a Spyrex lynch. That being said, I freely admit this isn't as likely as Spy cult - but it's not out of the question.

CD4

Username: SpyreX

Did you Hear Noise? Nope

Did you Ward? If so, who? Nope

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? Solist (Rob FT), Obsession (Rob ElG)

List all of the insanities you currently have: Twitchy, Taboo (Books), Solist, Obsession

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who? Nope

Were you murdered? Nope

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? Nope

Are you bloody?Yep

Twitch? *twitch*

I got Success on FT, Failure on ElG

I'm also apparently greeted by a power wagon. So, lets go ahead and get it all nice and neat. In theory you'd get books and a forensic kit. In practice you're going to get nothing because if ElG got warded you sure as hell can guarantee I'm gonna get warded.

Watching these power cases come out of the woodwork WILL be helpful though. Allow me to go ahead and give you a pro-tip for killing here in the near future.

Plum wrote: No, I agree that MoI's statement was extremely scummy. The fact that you knew that and said that but kept your vote on ElG for unvoting because of this is not an intuitive thought process, in my humble opinion. You used it as a bolster for your ElG case because . . . ? You didn't state that ElG was maybe bussing (in which case it would be a stronger tell on MoI anyway). If you'd argued that ElG was still scummier on the previous merits, maybe I'd have bought it. But the fact that you tried to turn something which was clearly flat out scummy into an excuse to keep your voe on ElG makes relatively little sense.

Unless you were bussing ElG. Cheers, mate.

My vote staying on ElG had nothing to do with MoI. The simple fact that ElG jumped AWAY from that was a testament to ElG's f-- (and, potentially, a link that apparently was disproven).

I didn't need to 'bolster' anything on ElG and soon when the deaths start really happening and ElG actually FLIPS SCUM I will be vindicated. (additionally, considering you've been going Ohh gee gosh I think SpyreX is scum since D1? this is super awesome).

It'll be a fun game (hint: a fun game for hit) to parse out how many different awesome people I'm scum with due to events.

Before I die give me another chance to give a quick rundown. Then, set me free.

CD4

Username:

nopointinactingup

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No

List all of the insanities you currently have:

None

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? No

Are you bloody?

No.

Twitch?

No

( Wraith, Trilobite, SpyreX, hitorogoshi, Baby Spice, kunkstar7, Seacore, AurorusVox, VP Baltar, Feysal, Plum,

=

Cult driven fucking wagon.

totallynotmafia is a buddy for realz.

That makes 9 votes on SpyreX, which puts him at . No more votes please! I agree SpyreX has to go, but there are other things we need to do before hammering.

1. Wait for everyone to post their claims.
2. Test for voting-related insanities? (Tomorrow works just as well.)
3. Plan grave robs.
4. Post new Investigator's Reference. (Not much seems to have changed, but still.)

Anything I missed?

Andrius #3240 wrote:I took Solist so that I could search for something else and drop the Occult Books. And with Obsession, I had to get rid of the books. I didn't want to target someone more insane than me (Benmage) just to get rid of the books, so I did it this way.

Are you sure this works? As far as I can understand, Obsession requires you to keep Communing, meaning you cannot Search for other equipment to be rid of the books. Taking Taboo on Occult Books would work, and it looks like that is the way you must go if you want to stop communing.

[quote="SpyreX"[I didn't need to 'bolster' anything on ElG and soon when the deaths start really happening and ElG actually FLIPS SCUM I will be vindicated. (additionally, considering you've been going Ohh gee gosh I think SpyreX is scum since D1? this is super awesome).[/quote]

Considering the fact that I've been iffy on you since Day 1 in a very large game with a number of respectably suspicious people around as well? Sure as hell is super awesome.

Wait, so if it's entirely plausible that furpants could have rezzed Spyrex, why is everyone so convinced he is cult?

Possible =/= probable.

Not to mention that even if FT res'd Spy, that doesn't stop Spy being cult. Actually, I've been thinking about this, and I reckon that it's probably more likely that a stalked-cult will receive a res than a stalked-town; since Cult know that any noises they heard did not come from the cult, and since wards/communes/investigations are publicly announced, it makes any cult-who-heard-a-noise either stalked or res-targetted the previous night. And since there are other people to help out, I think it's likelier that cult will be successfully res'd from a murder than town. This isn't anything solid, but it is a potential point in favour of cultSpy.

I could understand if there was something else to the case, but if the whole case on Spyrex is that nobody claimed the rez when it is indeed possible that nobody claimed the rez because the person who did it is now dead, that just seems ludicrous to me. I've lost an entire game because people incorrectly assumed what a dead person's night actions were, with scum taking full advantage.

Fine, TNM.

In which case WHO IS YOUR TOP SUSPECT AND WHY ARE YOU NOT VOTING HMMMM?

TNM wrote:I could understand if there was something else to the case, but if the whole case on Spyrex is that nobody claimed the rez when it is indeed possible that nobody claimed the rez because the person who did it is now dead, that just seems ludicrous to me.

Do you think it's likely SpyreX was rezzed by Furpants? Additionally, I don't believe that is the entire case on him, but that's a nice over simplification.

I agree with Feysal's to-do list other than testing for voting insanities, as that seems tedious and unnecessary for today since we need to lynch SpyreX today. If someone does have an unclaimed voting insanity, it will still be there tomorrow.

.

I want to make sure Spyrex gets his chance to talk.

Also, I can't help but notice this wagon is swelling faster than "I picked suicidal, because " Interested in VP's thoughts specifically on this. It's raising my hackles a bit.