didn't you spend day 1 insisting he was unreadable day 1 and that he would be automatically solved later on or something
I'm pretty sure you never actually townread him despite how much you pushed against his lynch
What do you mean "I never townread him"?
I said I put him in my townbin multiple times because he's being his nero-self and the reasons you guys are pushing him is not indicative of him being scum.
In post 2413, Shoshin wrote:Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?
In post 2414, Shoshin wrote:Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?
I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.
He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.
I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:23 pm
by nomnomnom
In post 403, nomnomnom wrote:I'm fairly sure Skitter with that entrance is townie. Cinn is town for that early game, Dunn has incisive posts that read town, Nero is currently playing like the town game I played with him so I am inclined to put that as town.
This was earlier, I know, but that's my mindset.
I detailed my mindset this way to say that I do not have any reason to scumread him. And I still don't.
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:24 pm
by nomnomnom
Once I see something that gives me some food for thought about Nero being scum, I'll revisit the read.
For now he's on my townleans. Call that towncore/townlean/townbin/null-town, whatever. I don't like clear defined cases.
I'm fairly sure Skitter with that entrance is townie. Cinn is town for that early game, Dunn has incisive posts that read town, Nero is currently playing like the town game I played with him so I am inclined to put that as town.
My gut says DP is actually town here although it's a completely stupid reason to believe so and I'd rather not delve in it.
I'm also inclined to believe that URAP is town leaning when re-reading a few things from him too. That's where I am at right now.
The only reason I townread him in our large is because I saw clear as day that he was a player doing his job throughout the game. The fact he interacted with everyone in equal terms is a strong indication of him being town. I believe he is a talkative player in general regardless of alignment but like... he's a hard player to sort unless we reach that part of the game where I have to actively sit down and go through everything that was said. That's how I sort slots like him. I don't believe you're going to sniff him as scum this way.
His lynch is a crapshoot today. But I guess my opinion doesn't really matter.
The next best lynch today is between vork and teacher.
In post 2012, nomnomnom wrote:It even has nothing to do with annoyance. People can be annoying sometimes (nero certainly was an annoying idiot at certain times of our large normal for example) but it's never a reason why I scumread people.
In post 2145, Detective Pikachu wrote:If he's town he's probably just as likely to cost us the game as if he was a fourth scum, and I see no problem with just believing he's scum right now.
Unload the baggage so the rest of the town can carry = least risky option
That's a gross assessment given that the last time I played with Nero he was the person that managed to make himself known as the obvtown slot on a LYLO and allowed me to basically solve early on.
If it wasn't for a personal grudge from another person we would have won that game.
Nero is good in those spots. His alignment will be clear as day eventually.
I really dislike that you've been going for "the least risky slots" because that was your rationale to go for EvilDeanius too in the first place.
In post 2180, nomnomnom wrote:I already know Nero Cain is an awful lynch. Scums are using this tide to redirect today's lynch on a random poor sod they can find a fastest case on, and that person is NC. And it's not even because of reads, it's just because of his posting style and kind of antagonistic attitude that is NOT alignment indicative. It's literally the reason we lost our previous game. Do you want to let things happen like that again? I don't. I already know where this is going.
In post 2413, Shoshin wrote:Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?
In post 2414, Shoshin wrote:Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?
I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.
He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.
I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.
like, to be honest you've been kinda all over the place on him. you start with a townread, then spend half the day insisting he basically just can't be read but that he shouldn't be day 1, then get really upset that the person you say can't be read is getting wagoned
like this whole progression is just weird af to me and it's one of the things I least like about your slot
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:25 pm
by skitter30
soooooo when does nero get revisited exactly?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:26 pm
by Detective Pikachu
since we're having conversations about re-evaluating people when was the last time you all re-evaluated nom btw?
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:26 pm
by nomnomnom
I do not want to lynch him, and I don't want him to get lynched would be an even better way to phrase it, other than reads.
Because I feel we're on the same wavelength this game about a lot of things and that proves that he follows along with me the game. You guys are saying he's not following the game, but I *know* he is because of a few factors. That criticism could actually be applied to a lot of other people here. You just don't realize it. And that also creates your confusion about "OMG NOM WHY DO YOU SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY?!?!??!?!"
In post 2876, u r a person 2 wrote:Saladmann - I still gut town this, tbh but someone has to be scum and this might make sense given the town-made clusterfuck of yesterday
Like jesus christ. That line.
It reads kind of earnest tbh. I wanna iso him and see more before deciding.
I'm fairly sure Skitter with that entrance is townie. Cinn is town for that early game, Dunn has incisive posts that read town, Nero is currently playing like the town game I played with him so I am inclined to put that as town.
My gut says DP is actually town here although it's a completely stupid reason to believe so and I'd rather not delve in it.
I'm also inclined to believe that URAP is town leaning when re-reading a few things from him too. That's where I am at right now.
The only reason I townread him in our large is because I saw clear as day that he was a player doing his job throughout the game. The fact he interacted with everyone in equal terms is a strong indication of him being town. I believe he is a talkative player in general regardless of alignment but like... he's a hard player to sort unless we reach that part of the game where I have to actively sit down and go through everything that was said. That's how I sort slots like him. I don't believe you're going to sniff him as scum this way.
His lynch is a crapshoot today. But I guess my opinion doesn't really matter.
The next best lynch today is between vork and teacher.
In post 2012, nomnomnom wrote:It even has nothing to do with annoyance. People can be annoying sometimes (nero certainly was an annoying idiot at certain times of our large normal for example) but it's never a reason why I scumread people.
In post 2145, Detective Pikachu wrote:If he's town he's probably just as likely to cost us the game as if he was a fourth scum, and I see no problem with just believing he's scum right now.
Unload the baggage so the rest of the town can carry = least risky option
That's a gross assessment given that the last time I played with Nero he was the person that managed to make himself known as the obvtown slot on a LYLO and allowed me to basically solve early on.
If it wasn't for a personal grudge from another person we would have won that game.
Nero is good in those spots. His alignment will be clear as day eventually.
I really dislike that you've been going for "the least risky slots" because that was your rationale to go for EvilDeanius too in the first place.
In post 2180, nomnomnom wrote:I already know Nero Cain is an awful lynch. Scums are using this tide to redirect today's lynch on a random poor sod they can find a fastest case on, and that person is NC. And it's not even because of reads, it's just because of his posting style and kind of antagonistic attitude that is NOT alignment indicative. It's literally the reason we lost our previous game. Do you want to let things happen like that again? I don't. I already know where this is going.
In post 2413, Shoshin wrote:Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?
In post 2414, Shoshin wrote:Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?
I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.
He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.
I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.
like, to be honest you've been kinda all over the place on him. you start with a townread, then spend half the day insisting he basically just can't be read but that he shouldn't be day 1, then get really upset that the person you say can't be read is getting wagoned
like this whole progression is just weird af to me and it's one of the things I least like about your slot
In post 3266, Detective Pikachu wrote:since we're having conversations about re-evaluating people when was the last time you all re-evaluated nom btw?
I have been. I'm not good at coming up with stable reads, my paranoia tends to fuck around with me from a lot of angles and I tend to overthink things really hard. I often get lost in my own head.
Skitter got a bad feeling out of me for that in the micro we played together for that, because of my "all around the place" mentality, but I was town there and I got endgamed for it. I tend to think a lot. I need people to discuss with me. You'll only get current feelings though.