NY 191: Denmark Mafia - Endgame

[Elyse]

The last time he was online was Jan 28 at 9:06 PM. Night started on Jan 28 at 2:38 AM.

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[Plotinus]

(expired on 2016-02-13 10:15:00)

(Sat Feb 13 @ 4:15:00 AM ET)

VOTECOUNT 8.01

• (1)
  Espeonage
  — pignash
  (0)
  pignash
  —
  (0)
  Elyse
  —
  

(2)

[NOT VOTING]

— Espeonage, Elyse

With

3

alive

, it takes

2

votes

to lynch.

[Espeonage]

Hi you guys ended the day before I had a chance to post. I checked the thread on my phone then by the time I was at a computer it was night time.

Vote: Pig

Can't be me, can't be IC, must be pig.

Backup of a town role is an interesting foil, but eh, two man scum team works-ish. Still weird.

[Espeonage]

Also Drixx kill over you Elyse I can see making sense because I confirmed Drixx as town. potentially pushes Drixx's deciding vote closer towards seeing me as town over pig in a way not present for you. The fact that you even made it through other days is messed up tho.

Anyway gonna shut up, you got a choice to make, go make it.

Fair sure you haven't given indication for who you want to lynch, advice is to always go gut. Not what I do because I'm shitty at the game and have a special thing I do in lylo, but I hear gut is good for not overthinking.

[pignash]

OK this should be simple Elyse. Let's win this thing please.

[Elyse]

No, Elyse. We need to find the other 2 town people. Assuming this is multi ball. Which seems like a good possibility.

PK, no one likes me in this game. Not just Fire.

This makes pig look town because he said "two other town people", implying that the scumteams were 3 v 3 and not 3 v 2.

Hi, I have an important night result.

Drixx is town. I am saying he is 100% confirmed.

Y'all gonna ask me to claim and someone had to go kill Shinobi so that's fucking wonderful. I am a JOAT. Neighbourize I used on Shinobi N1. There's a few clues. we both started defending each other out of nowhere because neither of us ended up dead. Shinobi townread me and I didn't get night killed after claiming, thus showing him to also be town. I used my Doctor on Shinobi N2.

I roleblocked Frozen N3

, the commute claim was sitting iffy but after the two kills I figured I was being paranoid. And lastly Gunsmith on Drixx, where I got the result that Drixx has no gun.

So, what does this mean.

I am p certain that the town players left are Myself, Elyse, Drixx, and Shiro. That makes everyone else mafia. I am k to lynch whichever of them we think is most likely to not be Copenhagen.

@Mod If a roleblocker is roleblocked, is their original target still roleblocked?

Espeo also assumes it's 3v3 here.

Would Espeo bring up multiball in such a weird way if he was scum and knew it was multiball???

I just reread Espeo/pig/piss's ISOs together and I still don't know. I was thinking Espeo is scum because pig lynched piss, but his vote was pretty reluctant. Ughhhhhhh I hate this so much.

[Plotinus]

@Mod If a roleblocker is roleblocked, is their original target still roleblocked?

No.
A roleblocks B (success);
B roleblocks C (fail, roleblocked);
C does something (success).

[Espeonage]

What chooses which roleblocker takes precedence in NAR?

[Plotinus]

Golden Rule:

1. Find an action (or a passive modifier, such as Bulletproof) such that its effect cannot possibly be modified by any other action.
   
2. Resolve it.
   
3. Repeat from step 1 until all actions are resolved.

In the example of:

A roleblocks B (SUCCESS)
B roleblocks C (FAIL; roleblocked)
C does something (SUCCESS),

nothing is preventing A from acting, so A's action succeeds. B's action therefore fails, which means nothing is preventing C from doing something, so their action succeeds.

[Elyse]

So that means that if Frozen was really blocked by Espeonage on Night 3, then Frozen (who is pisskop) couldn't have blocked Shiro, meaning Shiro would have gotten a result.

Just gonna mull on that for a lil before I place my vote.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Espeonage

[Plotinus]

(expired on 2016-02-13 10:15:00)

(Sat Feb 13 @ 4:15:00 AM ET)

VOTECOUNT 8.02

• (2)
  Espeonage

  <-- [

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  Y

  N

  C

  H

  ]
  — pignash, Elyse
  (1)
  pignash
  — Espeonage
  (0)
  Elyse
  —
  

(0)

[NOT VOTING]

With

3

alive

, it takes

2

votes

to lynch.

[Plotinus]

Stuff edited in later.

Espeonage was lynched. He was a...

Spoiler: Flip

Christiana Mafia Jack of all Trades

The

Town

consisting of

Titus, pignash, Shiro, RadiantCowbells, Elyse, pistachi0n, Firebringer, Dwlee99, Aj the Epic, MarioManiac4, Shinobi,

notscience

Drixx, and Grib

has won Denmark Mafia! Yay! Congrats!

[Plotinus]

Major events

day/night 1

• Drixx
  replaced
  notscience
  
  
• Nero Cain
  replaced
  Zymf
  
  
• MarioManiac4 - vanilla townie
  , was lynched with 3 scum on his wagon
  
• pistachi0n
  - voyeur visits
  Dwlee99
  - sees nothing
  
• RadiantCowbells
  - doctor protects
  Titus
  - succeeds
  
• Shiro
  - cop investigates
  RadiantCowbells
  - gets
  Town
  result
  
• Titus
  - socialists a Neighborizer to
  Grib
  - gets
  Vanilla
  result and succeeds in sending 1-shot Neighborizer to
  Grib
  
  
• Davsto
  - kills
  RadiantCowbells
  - succeeds
  
• Frozen Angel
  - kills
  RadiantCowbells
  - succeeds
  
• Frozen Angel
  - roleblocks
  Aj The Epic
  - succeeds
  
• Espeonage
  - neighborizes
  Shinobi
  - succeeds
  
• RadiantCowbells - town doctor
  Killed Night 1.

Day/Night 2 Actions

• Elyse
  is confirmed to be
  innocent child
  .
  
• pistachi0n - Town 2-Shot Voyeur
  is lynched Day 2 with 2 scum on her wagon
  
• Shiro
  Cops
  Davsto
  - gets "Not aligned with town"
  
• Grib
  Neighborizes
  Drixx
  - succeeds
  
• Titus
  socialists
  Drixx
  - gets no result due to
  Nero Cain
  roleblock. 1-shot vig is lost.
  
• Frozen Angel
  Roleblocks
  Heat
  - succeeds
  
• Frozen Angel
  kills
  AJ the Epic
  - succeeds
  
• Espeonage
  Rolestops
  Frozen Angel
  - succeeds
  
• Heat
  kills
  Grib
  - fails due to
  Frozen Angel's
  roleblock
  
• Nero Cain
  Roleblocks
  Titus
  - succeeds
  
• Aj The Epic - Vanilla Townie
  Killed Night 2

day/night 3 actions

• Davsto
  - København Mafia Goon - Lynched Day 3 with 1 scum on his wagon.
  
• Nosferatu
  replaces
  Nero Cain
  
  
• Heat
  Kills
  Grib
  (succeeds)
  
• Frozen Angel
  kills
  Titus
  (succeeds)
  
• Frozen Angel
  roleblocks
  Shiro
  (succeeds)
  
• Shiro
  cops
  Nosferatu
  and gets no result (roleblocked by
  Frozen Angel
  )
  
• Titus
  Socialists
  Dwlee
  gets vanilla and gives 1 shot watcher to
  Dwlee
  .
  
• Grib - Vanilla Townie
  - Killed Night 3
  
• Titus - Town Socialist
  - Killed Night 3
  
• pignash
  becomes
  Socialist

Day/Night 4 actions

• Heat - København Mafia Goon
  - Lynched Day 4 with 2 scum on his wagon.
  
• Pisskop
  replaces
  Frozen Angel
  
  
• Dwlee
  watches
  Elyse
  (succeeds, sees nothing)
  
• pignash
  sends 1 shot roleblock to
  Drixx
  (gets "vanilla" and succeeds)
  
• shiro
  investigates
  Nosferatu
  (gets no result, blocked by pisskop)
  
• pisskop
  blocks
  shiro
  (succeeds)
  
• pisskop
  kills
  Dwlee
  (succeeds)
  
• Espeonage
  gunsmiths
  Drixx
  (succeeds, gets target does not have a gun)
  
• Nosferatu
  kills
  Shinobi
  (succeeds)
  
• Shinobi - Vanilla Townie
  - Killed Night 4
  
• Dwlee99 - Vanilla Townie
  - Killed Night 4

day/night 5 actions

• Nosferatu - København Mafia Jack of All Trades
  - Lynched Day 5 with 2 scum on his wagon
  
• Drixx
  roleblocks
  pisskop
  (succeeds)
  
• pisskop
  kills
  pignash
  (fails - blocked by
  Drixx
  )
  
• pisskop
  roleblocks
  shiro
  (fails - blocked by
  Drixx
  )
  
• Espeonage
  commutes (succeeds)
  
• Shiro
  investigates
  espeonage
  (gets no result due to commute taking priority)
  
• No one dies.

day/night 6 actions

• pisskop - Christiana Mafia Roleblocker
  - Lynched Day 6
  
• pignash
  vanilla cops
  Firebringer
  (gets vanilla result)
  
• Shiro
  cops
  Firebringer
  (innocent)
  
• Espeonage
  kills
  Shiro
  (success)
  
• Shiro - Town Cop
  - Killed Night 6

day/night 7 actions

• Firebringer - Vanilla Townie
  - Lynched Day 7 with 0 scum on his wagon.
  
• Espeonage
  kills
  Drixx
  (success)
  
• Pignash
  vanilla cops
  Espeonage
  (success: not vanilla)
  
• Drixx - Vanilla Townie
  - Killed Night 7[/b]

day 8 actions

• Espeonage - Christiana Mafia Jack of All Trades
  - Lynched Day 8
  
• Town wins!

[Plotinus]

PTs

Fro99er will need to release these; I can't. If you were scum and you don't want the PT released or you want stuff redacted, you need to contact Fro99er about that.

• Mod PT
  
• Dead Thread
  
• Christiana Mafia PT
  
• København Mafia PT
  
• Fro99er's large normal review

Role PMs

Spoiler: Aj the Epic, Drixx/notscience, Dwlee99, Firebringer, Grib, MarioManiac4, Shinobi - Vanilla Townies

Vanilla Townie

• You are a
  Vanilla Townie
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You possess no special abilities other than your vote and your voice.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: Elyse - Town Innocent Child

Town Innocent Child

• You are a
  Town Innocent Child
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • At any point during the game you may PM the moderator that you wish for your role to be revealed in the game thread.
    
  • Once the PM is received by the moderator, the moderator will reveal your Role PM in the game thread.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: pistachi0n - Town 2-Shot Voyeur

Town 2-Shot Voyeur

• You are a
  Town 2-Shot Voyeur
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • During night phase, you may PM the moderator the name of a player to target.
    
  • You will receive a Role PM from the moderator telling you what was done to them that night (protection, investigation, etc) via the following result PMs
    1. Your target had the following action performed on them: [actions include: blocking, jailkeep, protection, miscellaneous, kill, role investigation, action investigation]
    2. You
    did not see anything
    last night
    3. You got
    No Result
    
    
  • You only can use this ability two times for the whole game, with a maximum of one time per night.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: pignash - Town Backup Socialist

town Backup Socialist

• You are a
  Town Backup Socialist
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • If any
    Town Socialist
    dies, you inherit that player's role and any remaining ability/abilities.
    
  • Should this happen, you will receive a the following Town Socialist Role PM and an indication of any remaining ability/abilities.
  
  

  You are a Town Socialist (Town Vanilla Cop/Modified Inventor) . Abilities: Each night phase you may PM the moderator the name of one player and one ability from the list below Possible invented abilities: Watch, Roleblock, Neighborize, Kill At the end of the night phase, you will receive a PM letting you know "Your target is NOT Vanilla " or "Your target is Vanilla and will receive a 1-shot version of the ability you targeted them with", or "You got No Result " (Vanilla Cop). If the player returns a vanilla result, that player will receive a 1-shot version of the ability you chose (Modified Inventor). If the player does not return a vanilla result, the ability will not be given. Once an ability is chosen, it may not be chosen again regardless of if it was successfully given or not. Win condition: You are aligned with the Town and win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated and at least one Town -aligned player is alive.

  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: Radiant Cowbells - Town Doctor

Town Doctor

• You are a
  Town Doctor
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • Every night phase you may PM the moderator to target a player to protect that player from one kill for that night.
    
  • You will not be told whether your protection succeeded, and your target will not know they were targeted or protected.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: Shiro - Town Cop

Town Cop

• You are a
  Town Cop
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • Every night phase you may PM the moderator to target a player to investigate thus discovering their alignment. You will receive a Private Message from the moderator containing either "Your target is
    NOT
    aligned with
    Town
    " or "Your target is aligned with
    Town
    " or "You got
    No Result
    "
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: Titus - Town Socialist

Town Socialist

• You are a
  Town Socialist (Town Vanilla Cop/Modified Inventor)
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • Each night phase you may PM the moderator the name of one player and one ability from the list below
    
  • Possible invented abilities: Watch, Roleblock, Neighborize, Kill
    
  • At the end of the night phase, you will receive a PM letting you know "Your target is
    NOT Vanilla
    " or "Your target is
    Vanilla
    and will receive a 1-shot version of the ability you targeted them with", or "You got
    No Result
    " (Vanilla Cop).
    
  • If the player returns a vanilla result, that player will receive a 1-shot version of the ability you chose (Modified Inventor).
    
  • If the player does not return a vanilla result, the ability will not be given.
    
  • Once an ability is chosen, it may not be chosen again regardless of if it was successfully given or not.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Town
  and win when all threats to the
  Town
  have been eliminated and at least one
  Town
  -aligned player is alive.

Spoiler: Davsto and Heat - København Mafia Goons

København Mafia Goon

• You are a
  København Mafia Goon
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You share a Private Topic with your fellow
    København
    residents; [name, role] and [name, role]. You and [name(s)] share a PT located [link] which you may use for discussion pre-game and during night phases.
    
  • Once each night the
    København Mafia
    team has a factional night kill, meaning one of you may target a player to perform a night-kill.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  København Mafia
  and win when the
  København Mafia
  controls at least 50% of the
  Town
  AND any other anti-
  Town
  factions are completely eliminated. In the event all
  Town
  players have been eliminated, the winner will be the faction that has the most players remaining. Should multiple anti-
  Town
  factions have equal numbers of players remaining, those remaining factions will tie.

Spoiler: Zymf/Nero Cain/Nosferatu - København Jack of All Trades

København Jack of All Trades

• You are a
  København Jack of All Trades (1-Shot Jailkeeper, 1-Shot Roleblocker, 1-Shot Doctor)
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You share a Private Topic with your fellow
    København
    residents; [name, role] and [name, role]. The PT is located [link] which you may use for discussion pre-game and during night phases.
    
  • Each night phase, if you desire, you may PM the moderator with the name of one of your role abilities and, if that ability targets a player, the name of one player as well. You will use said ability that night, and if the ability targets a player it will be used on the targeted player.
    
  • The role abilities do the following:
    1.
    Jailkeeper:
    You will Jail your target, meaning they cannot perform any actions and they will be protected from one kill for that night. You will not be told if your action succeeded.
    2.
    Roleblocker:
    You will Roleblock your target, meaning your target cannot perform any actions that night. You will not be told if your action succeeded.
    3.
    Doctor:
    You will Protect your target, meaning you will protect your target from one kill for one night. You will not be told if your action succeeded.
    
  • Once each night the
    København Mafia
    team has a factional night kill, meaning one of you may target a player to perform a night-kill.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  København Mafia
  and win when the
  København Mafia
  controls at least 50% of the
  Town
  AND any other anti-
  Town
  factions are completely eliminated. In the event all
  Town
  players have been eliminated, the winner will be the faction that has the most players remaining. Should multiple anti-
  Town
  factions have equal numbers of players remaining, those remaining factions will tie.

Spoiler: Frozen Angel/pisskop - Christiana Mafia Roleblocker

Christiana Mafia Roleblocker

• You are a
  Christiana Mafia Roleblocker
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You share a Private Topic with your fellow
    Christiana
    resident; [name, role]. The PT is located [link] which you may use for discussion pre-game and during night phases.
    
  • Each night, you may PM the moderator the name of one player to target. That player will be Roleblocked for that night, meaning they cannot perform any actions. You will not be told if the roleblock succeeds.
    
  • Once each night the
    Christiana Mafia
    team has a factional night kill, meaning one of you may target a player to perform a night-kill.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Christiana Mafia
  and win when the
  Christiana Mafia
  controls at least 50% of the
  Town
  AND any other anti-
  Town
  factions are completely eliminated. In the event all
  Town
  players have been eliminated, the winner will be the faction that has the most players remaining. Should multiple anti-
  Town
  factions have equal numbers of players remaining, those remaining factions will tie.

Spoiler: Espeonage - Christiana Mafia Jack-of-All-Trades

Christiana Mafia Jack-of-All-Trades

• You are a
  Christiana Mafia Jack-of-All-Trades (1-shot Neighborizer, 1-shot Commuter, 1-shot Gunsmith, 1-shot Strongman)
  .
  
  
  Abilities:
  • You share a Private Topic with your fellow
    Christiana
    resident; [name, role]. The PT is located [link] which you may use for discussion pre-game and during night phases.
    
  • Each night phase, if you desire, you may PM the moderator with the name of one of your role abilities and, if that ability targets a player, the name of one player as well. You will use said ability that night, and if the ability targets a player it will be used on the targeted player.
    
  • The role abilities do the following:
    1.
    Neighborizer:
    You will become Neighbors with your target, meaning you will get a private topic to share with the targeted player. This topic will have both day and night talk. You will not be told if this action succeeds.
    2.
    Commuter:
    You will Commute out of town that night, meaning you cannot perform any other actions (including factional kills) but you cannot be targeted by any abilities either (including factional kills).
    3.
    Gunsmith:
    You will Investigate your target, meaning you will find out via PM from the moderator whether "Your target
    has a gun
    ", "Your target
    does not have a gun
    ", or "You got
    No Result
    ".
    4.
    Rolestopper:
    You will Rolestop your target, meaning you will prevent any actions from being performed on the targeted player. You will not be told if this action succeeds.
    
  • Once each night the
    Christiana Mafia
    team has a factional night kill, meaning one of you may target a player to perform a night-kill.
  
  
  
  Win condition:
  
  You are aligned with the
  Christiana Mafia
  and win when the
  Christiana Mafia
  controls at least 50% of the
  Town
  AND any other anti-
  Town
  factions are completely eliminated. In the event all
  Town
  players have been eliminated, the winner will be the faction that has the most players remaining. Should multiple anti-
  Town
  factions have equal numbers of players remaining, those remaining factions will tie.

[/list]

[Plotinus]

Unlocked for postgame discussion. Thanks for playing, everybody, and especially thanks for all of the replacements, and thanks to Fro99er too.

[Davsto]

Gg town

[Aeronaut]

gg! I had so much fun playing!!!

[Aeronaut]

[just kidding, i was just spectating]

[Drixx]

Great job Elyse. Bravo.

Well played Espeonage.

[Dwlee99]

gg

[Espeonage]

This game was impossible for my faction to win unless town royally fucked up.

We did everything pretty much perfect in our day play and still needed to have at least good night action choices to een make it to end game on top of everything.

And we were in a position where even in 2-5 after living for so long, in a position where it was still almost impossible for us to win. I think however that I made my life a lot more difficult by truthfully saying I had cleared Drixx. It meant that I got town cred at a time in the game where I needed it, but it also meant that for us to win we needed to make 5 man lylo which we narrowly missed out on.

But yeah, this game was stupidly unbalanced. I hae no issues with such a small team, I have issues with the amount of ways that town had to clear people so that process of elimination from power roles overrided any and all great scum day play.

[Espeonage]

I don't want to take away from your win though. Well done Elyse and co. I threw everything I could at you and you prevailed, well played.

[Grib]

ty elyse

[Drixx]

multi-ball always feels inherently unfair to the scum teams. It has the most potential to go off the rails one way or the other too. Super hard to balance. The fact that it came down to 3 person LYLO and you had a shot probably means it was more well balanced than you are giving it credit for. I'm sure it felt hard though. I wish I could let you feel what SMITE felt like when I replaced in and then after you and Otolia both died and I was alone. I totally get feeling like the task is insurmountable.

I was legitimately telling you well played though ... you played very top notch and one different choice (kill Elyse and leave me alive) may have won you the game. I honestly can't say whether I would have voted for you or Pig.