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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:02 am
by Nahdia
Liger, projectmatt, cy (tho he's on V/LA rn) are our lurkers by my count.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:02 am
by Titus
In post 3265, Nahdia wrote:worth noting the anen line that i felt was a scumclaim was him defending Ircher.
Which post?
Why is everyone ignoring Shaz's bullshit?
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:04 am
by MagnaofIllusion
Cy
–
Literally this ISO is only 31 posts long. Frankly if you are looking at a Serial Killer ISO this is it.
Responds to Anen asking him who is scum at
615. This is the kind of interaction that Daytalk renders not really likely to come from partners. I also absolutely think Cy as a Mafia member would have gotten, as Red Forman puts it, a “foot up his ass” for the lurkery game he is playing.
Agrees with Anen at
2612 regarding a wagon on PMatt. Again – not the kind of in-thread posting I expect from partners.
Conclusion
– Not Anen’s partner. Strong, strong Serial Killer candidate who is flying as much under the radar as possible and taking no stances of his own.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:04 am
by Nahdia
In post 3276, Titus wrote: In post 3265, Nahdia wrote:worth noting the anen line that i felt was a scumclaim was him defending Ircher.
Which post?
Why is everyone ignoring Shaz's bullshit?
i misread the situationhe wasn't really "defender" ircher per se but more trying to paint me as inconsistent in my interaction with Ircher in the most ridiculous possible way (hence my immediate strong scumread on him). here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p7951749
i've already addressed why i think shaz is town.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:07 am
by Nahdia
god my english sucks sorry.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:20 am
by MagnaofIllusion
Shaziro
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2778 – This is the first mention I can find in his 160something post ISO. And it is basically correcting Anen on Shotty’s site-wide temper tantrum after getting banned from discussion for the umpteenth time. Pretty null.
3019 – This is not really a direct reference but Shaz said at one point he thought Seth attacking Anen (the infamous Bird Poop post) was Scum Seth attacking Anen Town.
That is full extent of his interactions and comments towards Anen.
Conclusion
– Ehh … maybe partners? With as many posts as Shaziro has you would have thought there would have been some interaction if Shaz was trying to sort Anen. It does fit with less experienced scum being unsure how to interact with partners. On the flip-side I would think with Daytalk he would have gotten some pointers on that. Middle of the road read.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:29 am
by Egg
Page 109:
Re: Magna's drmy case - Is calling someone 3rd party on Page 4 really a slip of extra info? Also can't buy a meta case if the meta isn't being shared. Basically, I'd be willing to listen even though I'm townreading drmy, but there's necessary info to be shared first. Also, why is Ircher's post that you linked so town? I think scum can explain what happened with the kills just as well as town can. Probably better, actually. To answer your question though, yeah SK in a neighborhood is possible. As a Mod, I don't think I'd do it just because SK is so hard to win as and that puts a target on them, but sure it's possible.
Drmy, I'd like to know why it "seemed obvious" on Day 1 that we were dealing with multiple teams.
I don't understand zakk's issue with Shaziro's wording. Zakk's entire tone feels kind of... gloaty? or cocky maybe? lately. I don't remember him being like this at all last game. But he was scum last game so... I dunno.
V/LA
until Friday night.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:42 am
by Shaziro
My guess is that they actually went back under the assumption that you were wrong to humor me, re-read, and saw exactly where you got it twisted.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:49 am
by Ircher
In post 3282, Shaziro wrote:
My guess is that they actually went back under the assumption that you were wrong to humor me, re-read, and saw exactly where you got it twisted.
It wasn't twisted.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 7:52 am
by zakk
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:11 am
by MagnaofIllusion
ProjectMatt
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1226 – First direct mention of Anen in his ISO is his assessment in his reads-list. While not a direct stated scum read it is clearly implied by the Anen vote in his next post.
Returns to voting Anen Day 2 at
2341.
2392 questions Anen about his specific logic surrounding the Pers wagon.
Another response to Anen at
2605 in which he more or less calls Anen’s vote OMGUS.
2762 – This is the first post from Matt that has struck me as off. Ostensibly he wants Anen dead (via his voting pattern) and he says he could make a case to support it. That case never comes.
2822 – While MoIputer doesn’t have me looking at Nos this post makes me think it is a good idea after the MoIputer work is done.
Conclusion
– Very likely not a scum partner. Votes Anen and was pretty consistent in his stance on him. The only element holding me back is the relative weakness of him actually pushing a case on Anen. Could be “being unmotivated”, could be a sign of possible bussing. In any case I’m not voting for him until more scum flips occur as I lean towards not a Anen partner.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 8:37 am
by Lowell
@magna, why are you assuming one scum team and an SK, out of curiosity?
Anyway magna's probably scum, but I need to try something.
VOTE: egg
Let me let this settle. Yep, feels good.
Something about his ISO, eh, I don't know.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:27 am
by Liger_Zero
VOTE: Ircher
I feel good about this lynch.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:27 am
by Ircher
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:28 am
by Liger_Zero
In post 3275, Nahdia wrote:Liger, projectmatt, cy (tho he's on V/LA rn) are our lurkers by my count.
I have been lurking very hardcore. It is had to get in this game, and the amount of flips makes it hard to focus on simple things. I don't know, very demotivating in a way.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:30 am
by Liger_Zero
Don't like your posts.
I believe you were also a scumread of Copper, so I think thats worth pursuing.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:33 am
by Liger_Zero
UNVOTE:
I need to think this over more. I was wrong about Copper scumreading you, he siad you were likely scum if this was multiball.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:37 am
by Ircher
In post 3290, Liger_Zero wrote:
Don't like your posts.
I believe you were also a scumread of Copper, so I think thats worth pursuing.
What don't you like about my posts?
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:51 am
by Titus
In post 3286, Lowell wrote:@magna, why are you assuming one scum team and an SK, out of curiosity?
Anyway magna's probably scum, but I need to try something.
VOTE: egg
Let me let this settle. Yep, feels good.
Something about his ISO, eh, I don't know.
Wit a vig + hood, that is the most likely scenario.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 11:10 am
by Lowell
Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:16 pm
by Titus
In post 3294, Lowell wrote:Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.
You claim stopped me from suspecting you were scum, so that's something.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:17 pm
by Titus
My claim wound up getting a town PR mislynched and probably myself permanently roleblocked and people ignoring obvious scum... so *shrug*
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:47 pm
by zakk
In post 3294, Lowell wrote:Well then I feel like a dumbass for claiming then if its an SK. I had assumed two scumgroups.
We don't have information to suggest that it is NOT multi-scum, other than a flip which is red and doesn't specify a team, however, I think that's enough, and that's been there since Aneninen flipped, so WAY before you claimed. You didn't have to claim i don't think. I'm 99% sure there's a vig and an SK.
With that said I think you claiming was a good idea all things considered. If you're town it probably saved your ass. If you're scum it probably did too. I want to lynch you about 50% less either way
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 12:48 pm
by zakk
Titus, iso aneninen pls and let me know what you think of possible scumbuddies
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:22 pm
by Titus
In post 3298, zakk wrote:Titus, iso aneninen pls and let me know what you think of possible scumbuddies
That's not generally how I look for buddies... :/ I generally look in the votes. I'll look at the votes in the next day or so, given the large amounts of flips here.