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Oh Maki might just be familiar with those anyway. Thanks for covering. Woof!

In post 3253, Reasonably Rational wrote:

In post 3251, Maid Cafe wrote:

In post 3245, Reasonably Rational wrote:Yes, and you just fucked catching the other scum today, based on their associatives with your guilties, by stating it outright for no fucking reason 4 hours into the phrase.

-Cerb

Sorry I have literally 0 idea how to approach this day phase when like none of the town want to cooperate.

~B

You should have shut up until everyone spoke if you wanted to get more information and people weren't cooperating, instead of just saying that to what is effectively no benefit.

Yes, you might get some reactions, but it would be way stronger to specifically push people you suspect of being teammates of your confirmed scum to condemn said scum, to either strengthen or weaken your scumread on them, at the least.

Now you can't do that nearly as effectively.

-Cerb

You do know was also referencing you when she was talking about town not cooperating, right?

Please, come back when you're more willing to game solve. :/

In post 3254, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3240, Taly wrote:Explain why you tracked who you tracked.

I didn't have any thoughts on who might have a visiting power so I just scattershotted to learn as many as possible.

really dislikes this post, and I'm not sure about it.

This seems pretty random.

You had no reads to try and emphasize here? Even out of that pool of people you say you tracked?

Nobody you wanted to confirm who could've been lying?

Also, what do you mean by visiting power? What is the relevance here for you?

In post 3265, Bronya Zaychik wrote:

In post 3261, Maid Cafe wrote:I mean I have to do the following things.

All within 48 hours.
Get my town reads to cooperate.
Sell you on my reads being correct.
Make sure people don't waste day actions.

Like idk it's hard to play this correctly.

~B

If you have two guilties, Cerb is correct that you should have waited. Since you did not, I'd recommend creating two pools that contain your guilties (could be 1 1 or 0 2) to test reactions on lynching.

~Titus

I can see the value in doing this, but that could paint townplayers unfavorably and create WIFOM. Can you explain this a bit more?

Also, I don't like how looks, but she's done nothing yet. Pushing there at the moment seems fruitless.

has posted things that have pinged both heads of this hydra.

Alisae:

you should also explain to venmar that we have an idea what is going on because we're reading varsoon's mechanic posts and it explains what exactly is going on in those

^^ This is for , too... and honestly everyone else.

@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

@Taly, By dividing up players into pools but leaving the possibility as to a pool being completely innocent, scum may try to FoS an innocent pool. Or, if they hard bus, they'll lock themselves out of mls for later. It's a method of forcing associatives and getting talking.

@Maid, I'll have my hydra partner do more detail on each name in the list.

So 15 minutes before the day ended yesterday we were put into a hood with the Baku slot. Which I don't think is a coincidence given how short 15 minutes is.

We think that putting us in a hood was a requirement for Baku to get mana, kinda like how Micc needed to grant tokens in order to gain mana so Baku added us to a hood in order to cast the U/G sword to quick hammer SD.

They probably didn't have much of a regard for how obvious that was because we were probably supposed to die but since Mathblade got a guilty on them they didn't have the ability to kill us.

Also Baku claimed there role was U/G which is the exact color of the sword and by play they are being kinda evasive in regards to the thread so they aren't really town by play either.

~B

I thought I had a guilty on Gamma but I misread mod communication kek.

~B

In post 3277, Maid Cafe wrote:@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

I did not have a lie detect, and as I previously stated, my ability did not generate mana.

@Taly: I'm well aware that I'm among those they found uncooperative, which is immaterial to the salience of my point that there were plenty of people who hadn't spoken yet, who could easily be among those who'd be willing to follow their lead.

Alisae, I'm also reading the mechanics post, clearly, and they don't support the suppositions you're making, in the context of the previous mechanics posts.

-Cerb

Iconeum
Skybird
Dunnstral
Purple Heart

Chara
Bronya Zaychik
Reasonably Rational

Creature

-------------------------------DO NOT LYNCH ABOVE THIS LINE-------------------------------

SnarkySnowman
Venmar (If Gamma flips town move this to Creature tier)
Nancy Drew 39

Almost50
Gamma Emerald
Baku and Munna

In post 3278, Bronya Zaychik wrote:@Taly, By dividing up players into pools but leaving the possibility as to a pool being completely innocent, scum may try to FoS an innocent pool. Or, if they hard bus, they'll lock themselves out of mls for later. It's a method of forcing associatives and getting talking.

@Maid, I'll have my hydra partner do more detail on each name in the list.

Both Alisae and I agree with this method in helping force associatives.

But the hesitation, is that if we don't lynch soon, abilities will be triggered and that could cause more issues.

That's why she wants me to to help out guilties, and why claiming MtG roles now is what I'm pushing.

Alisae:

what I want is whatever

Bee

wants.

Reasonably Rational wrote:

In post 3277, Maid Cafe wrote:@cerb/snarky did your lie detect give you mana?

~B

I did not have a lie detect, and as I previously stated, my ability did not generate mana.

@Taly: I'm well aware that I'm among those they found uncooperative, which is immaterial to the salience of my point that there were plenty of people who hadn't spoken yet, who could easily be among those who'd be willing to follow their lead.

Alisae, I'm also reading the mechanics post, clearly, and they don't support the suppositions you're making, in the context of the previous mechanics posts.

-Cerb

Elaborate on your view of the mechanics post.

Maid Cafe wrote:So 15 minutes before the day ended yesterday we were put into a hood with the Baku slot. Which I don't think is a coincidence given how short 15 minutes is.

We think that putting us in a hood was a requirement for Baku to get mana, kinda like how Micc needed to grant tokens in order to gain mana so Baku added us to a hood in order to cast the U/G sword to quick hammer SD.

They probably didn't have much of a regard for how obvious that was because we were probably supposed to die but since Mathblade got a guilty on them they didn't have the ability to kill us.

Also Baku claimed there role was U/G which is the exact color of the sword and by play they are being kinda evasive in regards to the thread so they aren't really town by play either.

~B

This and 3280 are reaffirming a lot of me and scumreads.

Roles created before alignments.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

@Taly: I already did? They're identical, except one specifically references the unique characteristics of the game(spells, mana generation, etc), and the other references the *only* characteristic of this game, one's role.

-Cerb

In post 3284, Reasonably Rational wrote:Roles created before alignments.

Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Maybe I wasn't meant to die, and I just wasn't expected to make the connection.
Or there was a condition.

Do you really think it was a coincidence, like I am not joking we got the hood and then the day ended all within 15 minutes.

~B

I can get into play but do you even town read that?

~B

Reasonably Rational wrote:Roles created before alignments.

Reasonably Rational wrote:Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Easy. They didn't think about it.

Alisae:

I mean I am interpretting that mechanic as "each day phase there the game/theme changes and we play a different setup"

My words would've been nicer with kitty pics. But yeah.

In post 3283, Taly wrote:I don't know about Almost50.

I feel like no one is going to ever lynch A50 this game lol.

In post 3289, Taly wrote:

Reasonably Rational wrote:Roles created before alignments.

In post 3166, Varsoon wrote:

To be clear, all roles for Undertale Mafia were made AFTER alignments were assigned.

Reasonably Rational wrote:Why would B&M hood you when they could hood their teammates instead? Other than a clause specifically saying the ability could only be used on people who you did not already share a PT with.

-Cerb

Alisae:

Easy. They didn't think about it.

Alisae:

I mean I am interpretting that mechanic as "each day phase there the game/theme changes and we play a different setup"

Alisae, you're making a dumb assumption. Never make assumptions. There is no basis for you to assume that's the case. There is also no basis to assume that it isn't the case, particularly since the original mechanics information did not mention that roles could change. That throws all other "planeschase" like mechanics into doubt regarding how informative they'll be, or how accurately they'll reflect what could possibly happen.

We're talking about M:tG mechanics, not Undertale mechanics, so the fact that undertale roles were made *after* alignments were assigned is irrelevant.

Do you have so little respect for the players in that slot(and their teammates, whoever they might be) to think they would just leave a trail leading to themselves like that? Particularly since it was so obvious that the artifact was played by scum, and the board was wiped, preventing it from being tracked to them...which would indicate enough foresight that they were concerned with it being tracked to them.

-Cerb

A50 will be lynched within the next 1.5 day phases if I'm still alive and he remains terrible.

And yes, he's terrible so far.

-Cerb

Do you think how a lot of my reads revolve around scum being "too self aware to do X" would mean that they really just didn't expect me to scum read them for that?

~B

pedit: <3

In post 3291, Maid Cafe wrote:

In post 3283, Taly wrote:I don't know about Almost50.

I feel like no one is going to ever lynch A50 this game lol.

I mean, when/if my scumreads are validated and flip scum, I'll probably be more open to this.

But personally, I don't know at the moment.

In post 3294, Maid Cafe wrote:Do you think how a lot of my reads revolve around scum being "too self aware to do X" would mean that they really just didn't expect me to scum read them for that?

~B

pedit: <3

Here's the thing man.

There's so many other players they could have put into a PT with themselves that way.

People who are less observant, and less vocal, and less RISKY...even ignoring the teammate option.

You...just don't make sense as the person to use to set that ability up.

Also, what was the benefit of timing it that way? Random knows Varsoon allows the submission of actions with triggers, the only timed thing we knew about was my question asking ability. Had up to 49 hours to separate themselves from that action in your mind if they just let me get the one additional question.

-Cerb

The answer to your question, Taly, will be no. Because I literally told him I'd replace out if shit changed again the same way, and he said he hoped I'd stay, and couldn't tell me anything more.

-Cerb

That's not quite an answer, though?

In post 3276, Taly wrote:In post 3254, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 3240, Taly wrote:
Explain why you tracked who you tracked.


I didn't have any thoughts on who might have a visiting power so I just scattershotted to learn as many as possible.



Alisae really dislikes this post, and I'm not sure about it.

This seems pretty random.

1) You had no reads to try and emphasize here? Even out of that pool of people you say you tracked?

2) Nobody you wanted to confirm who could've been lying?

3) Also, what do you mean by visiting power? What is the relevance here for you?

1) No good PR reads, yes.
2) I didn't recall any claims of night visiting PRs.
3) Visiting power equals anything that can be tracked. If I'd suspected someone of of having one and figured they's use it I'd likely have tracked only them to get my 2 white mana. But since I had no ideas there I just figured it would be smarter to track the max and look to get results to use on later nights to gain mana.