NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[HeWhoSwims]

Can you not lynch me I'm town just lazy

[Ausuka]

Can you not lynch me I'm town just lazy

Who should we lynch instead?

[HeWhoSwims]

I volunteer as counterwagon bait

It'd feel wrong to not be wagoned three days in a row

Scum hop on this if you want MoI to live

This seems LAMIST as hell tbh.

Maybe tw is BP SK and that's why one of the nights had no kill HMMM

Plausible.

@Ausika I can live with MoI. At this point I think I'm liking you better. And either it flips town and confs people or it it scum. I'm still not over Sky. More detailed stuff later let me vacuum and get my pc.

[HeWhoSwims]

The worst player in the lynchpool. He hasn't really had any use for the entire game (sorry) and kind of had an awful d2. Like, he spent the entire day saying "oh there's no scum in {a51, profii, xyzzy}- which may very well have been true!- but he made no effort at all to stop town lynching these players. He sat back and watched the xyzzy lynch happen, and he was never truly opposing any lynches. Why? Because he never cast a vote for the entirety of d2.

Aww

What could I have done to stop it? Like yeah I was against it and let it be known that I was suspicious of Sky etcetera but that alone isn't going to stop the majority of the game from lynching in that pool is it? And what's placing a vote going to change? Besides I was okay with a xyzzy lynch especially towards day's end.

I also encourage anyone curious enough to take a look at my games to investigate how many votes I use. Seriously, I'm just annoying in that aspect I guess, but I don't vote a lot less or more as scum/town.

[HeWhoSwims]

Separate post, sorry: What's this stuff with trackers and fruit? How could a scum tracker help in fakeclaiming fruit? Or is that not what was implied and am I reading wrong...

[Ausuka]

The worst player in the lynchpool. He hasn't really had any use for the entire game (sorry) and kind of had an awful d2. Like, he spent the entire day saying "oh there's no scum in {a51, profii, xyzzy}- which may very well have been true!- but he made no effort at all to stop town lynching these players. He sat back and watched the xyzzy lynch happen, and he was never truly opposing any lynches. Why? Because he never cast a vote for the entirety of d2.

Aww

What could I have done to stop it? Like yeah I was against it and let it be known that I was suspicious of Sky etcetera but that alone isn't going to stop the majority of the game from lynching in that pool is it? And what's placing a vote going to change? Besides I was okay with a xyzzy lynch especially towards day's end.

I also encourage anyone curious enough to take a look at my games to investigate how many votes I use. Seriously, I'm just annoying in that aspect I guess, but I don't vote a lot less or more as scum/town.

You could have, like, voted other players who you were suspicious of and pushed them? A vote for Sky would have made the wagon more viable for sure. And while it's probably true that you don't vote much as town I have a hard time believing that you would choose not to vote for an entire dayphase that not only dragged out to deadline but went further due to all of the extensions

Separate post, sorry: What's this stuff with trackers and fruit? How could a scum tracker help in fakeclaiming fruit? Or is that not what was implied and am I reading wrong...

If scum tracked a loyal fruit vendor to scum, that scum could claim fruit, even though they didn't receive it really.

[HeWhoSwims]

Ohh. Right.

Ya sorry I just don't really see the difference between suspecting Sky or whoever and having to put a vote there to prove it - it'd only seem useless to me if there isn't going to be a wagon anyway - but that's just a difference in our play I guess. (Also... pretty sure I played my first ever game by only RVS voting. I lost, but shhhh )

[Ausuka]

[L-4] Skygazer - Taly, Gamma Emerald, Ausuka, MagnaofIllusion

I think it would have made a big difference when this happened for example. When someone's at L-3 they become much more likely to get lynched than when they're at L-4 right?

[HeWhoSwims]

Hm. Fair point. I felt as though Sky wasn't ever going to be lynched though and I'm guessing I'd already semi-settled on xyz by that point.

[HeWhoSwims]

2. MagnaofIllusion
I mainly find his attack on Ausuka weird. Could lynch, unsure, but it could clear players although I'm forgetting who gave who fruit.

3. Ausuka*
I just generally like her play here, I guess? Especially the stuff later on seems town to me and the fact the loud role is a protective is a good catch, idk what scum!suka would gain from bringing the ordeal up and speculating on GE being cleared.

4. brassherald
Town by fruit and he'd be a big townread regardless.

5. the worst
Bla bla not groupscum bla bla still think this could be a SK, more on this later

7. Gamma Emerald

HitAlt

I guess this is cleared by fruit buuuut the play itself by GE isn't that convincing to me - especially the later part of the ISO has way more role/setup discussion than reads forming imo. HitAlt looks better to me. He really wants to out Duck - he knows he killed Dram - which I think is scummier if TW=vig but townier if TW=serial killer.

8. Skygazer
While she was better on D2 I still don't townread this at all... Still a scumlean. It seems to me that the posts with the most effort are the ones defending herself from a case. Still feel as though most of the time the reads put forward are weak ish or the posts are just "you have a good/bad point" without forming a read if that makes sense... Not a bad thing in itself but it is if it keeps happening I feel.

9. Jingle

Inferno390

This one's due for a huge re read.


10. Chickadee*
I still scumread the play here and I think she was cleared under suspicious circumstances - no clear claim and even the "clearing" was softish I guess?

12. HeWhoSwims*
10/10 amazing guy, town

14. Raskolnikov
Reads seem to be there and there is fruit (good vend imo, works in Ausuka's favor as I think it was her) so I wouldn't lynch this rn.

15. Taly

davesaz

I think Taly is being great, clear, putting forward a lot of stuff so I'm townreading that.

16. Nosferatu

AndriusGustavo

Still no fan of the clearing stuff... Although scum clearing scum raises a lot of question marks Towards the end of Andy's ISO I start to see a bit of the problems I had with Sky - a lot of mechanical stuff. And opinions/observations and less reads. Although I'd still sooner lynch others... I'm not really townreading this.

17. Profii
I don't have an explicit townread here but at the time he got heat I felt it was completely unwarranted.

Criticize or comment all ya want and I'll try to address it with y'all.

[the worst]

5. the worst
Bla bla not groupscum bla bla still think this could be a SK, more on this later

please do elaborate

[HeWhoSwims]

Oh right

I'm an informed townie with info on # of modifiers which is why I've been asking you to claim yes/no modifier ever since your vig claim =)

[Ausuka]

I uh kinda believe that?

We are massclaiming if we have a modifier or not.

I obviously do because I am Loyal.

[Ausuka]

I uh kinda believe that?

We are massclaiming if we have a modifier or not.

I obviously do because I am Loyal.

wait no we're not doing that sorry i'm dumb ignore this ^

[Ausuka]

Still though that could be useful later? but I'm not sure who else to lynch other than HWS

[Skygazer]

I think HWS is more likely town than MoI after HWS's posts here

Although I'm paranoid that claim was designed to draw out the player with the loud modifier

[Ausuka]

as long as ppl agree that I'm town which I think they do? we have this pool upon a MOI townflip:

8. Skygazer
9. Jingle Inferno390
12. HeWhoSwims*
15. Taly davesaz
17. Profii

which is realistically enough to win the game. And obviously a scumflip is going to be good no matter what. So I think it's best to just flip MOI?

[Ausuka]

and even assuming worst case scenario that duckling kills green twice and people lynch me, that's 2 town down from that pool still. which means 3 scum left with 7-9 players left. even if TW is sk, we could still win that. And gamma still has detective powers too not to mention Nos would be town and have his mystery power.

VOTE: MOI

I feel like we're done at this point.

[Ausuka]

there's a small possibility brass is scum -> tw is BP sk and got hit and i got tracked, which Rask mentioned earlier. I feel like he's probably just town though.

[HeWhoSwims]

I uh kinda believe that?

We are massclaiming if we have a modifier or not.

I obviously do because I am Loyal.

Most people have, from the top of my head I only wanted Chick and Duck

I think HWS is more likely town than MoI after HWS's posts here

Although I'm paranoid that claim was designed to draw out the player with the loud modifier

That's not needed, it's about the number of modifiers so I just know there's an extra modifier out there

[HeWhoSwims]

I'd read brass as town regardless. I think the power crumbing at the game start was pretty good

[HeWhoSwims]

Vanilla Townie x4
Town Some Kind of Investigative
Town Hider
Town Protective (possibly loud)
Town Detective
Town LFV
Town Odd Night LFV
Town Activated BP
Town Visitor
Town Vengeful

Vig/SK

Mafia Prime-Number-Night Jailkeeper
Mafia Tracker (possibly loud)
Mafia Goon? x2

If we go by this I have 2x loyal fruit vendor, activated BP, prime night JK, loud protective. Hider was non modified. Leaves Detective, Visitor, Vengeful and whatever Duck is.

What I'm struggling with is that we don't have a tracker claim. So we won't know whether they have a modifier. But that may be resolved based on what those^ 4 do.

[Raskolnikov]

Bah humbug

[Raskolnikov]

If Pine added anynight and added activated based on probably this post, it's fairly reasonable that he might have tried to work in informed somehow too while he was at it. But even then I think the spirit of that role is traditionally more of a town thing, mafia are pretty informed by default, and giving mafia informed free setup info onto one of the town PRs would IMO just be kinda lame tbh.

[Raskolnikov]

VOTE: moi
I guess this or no lynch welp (or idk profii)