mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[MathBlade]

air cannot be "Cold" or "Hot" or even "Neutral Temperature"

vote count 1.3

Gamma Emerald (8):

Almost50, Ban Hydras, Nero Cain, Pickaxe Pete, Menalque, Titus, superbowl9, NorwegianboyEE

Ban Hydras (3):

PlusJOYED, DiamondSentinel, Christøpher

jjh927 (2):

samantha97, Bell

Menalque (2):

jjh927, Gamma Emerald

PlusJOYED (1):

TheGoldenParadox

Tayl0r Swift (1):

DrDolittle

Almost50 (1):

Vecna

TheGoldenParadox (1):

Morning Mage

Bell (1):

mastina

April Ludgate (1):

EchoVision

DiamondSentinel (1):

Tayl0r Swift

not voting (1):

April Ludgate,

with 23 alive, it takes 12 to Execute someones Ass. day 1 ends october 24th at 13:30 central US time; in (expired on 2020-10-24 13:30:00)

mod notes

• 831: i have not provided information about how roles were assigned this game. there have been past games in the series (such as the first one) where mafia were given a role and forced to assign it to a member of the town

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Take a look at here Mastina is a useless vote on bell after calling out gamma’s scum slip. She’s then on it at the next mod VC. If it’s not a planned bus then Mastina should be scrutinized. You’d end up with a very weird distribution of unassigned votes if we went with your theory.

Remember Civ how I told you beeboy was town and the VCs were some of the weirdest distributions ever? You said masons were your Achilles heel and according to you there’s two pairs. You have many people telling you you’re wrong. I suggest you restart

mastina's literally confirmed to me. I don't mind restarting but every premise I have will have mastina town.

Go for it. Color in who you “confirmed” (in quotes because it’s confirmed to no one else) as one color, the second hood another color, and then mod confirmed town as green. This will help show any biases that may exist.

[Titus]

the reason it's difficult to comprehend is that it means if you are town, a50, then we have six masons.

I’ve been seeing a lot of people say this. FFS WE ARE NOT MASONS. We are A THIRD PARTY. We are NOT conftown to you. I assume titus’ group is the same to whatever extent. Saying 6 masons is too many is #1 wayyyyyyy too simplified and #2 just wrong, a town-aligned 3P just does not play out the same way masons would.

In this game, it pretty much does especially to the army.

[DiamondSentinel]

Call me egocentric, because I am, but Titus, can I get some of the magic about why you have me as town from VCA?

[Something_Smart]

what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

0%

[MathBlade]

Town	Titus Plusjoyed Diamond Sentinel Nero Cain shellyc A50 Ban Hydras mastina Menalque
Above Null	NorweiganboyEE The Golden Paradox superbowl9 Bell
Null	DrDolittle something_smart Mathblade jjh927
Lean Scum	Chemist1422 April Ludgate Morning Mage Pickaxe Pete
Scum	Tayl0r Swift

A planned bus doesn't generate four counters. Scum would abandon the bus.

I have realistically 8 names that could be scum. I'm cutting off at above null right now. That needs to have 4 scum.

Can you look at your notes and see who overlaps?

Again still working. Can’t check until late tonight due to dr appt I am working from memory here. I will check my notes and compare against yours when yours takes into account mod confirmed info not before. A lot seems like supposition/theory and not VCA

[MathBlade]

the reason it's difficult to comprehend is that it means if you are town, a50, then we have six masons.

I’ve been seeing a lot of people say this. FFS WE ARE NOT MASONS. We are A THIRD PARTY. We are NOT conftown to you. I assume titus’ group is the same to whatever extent. Saying 6 masons is too many is #1 wayyyyyyy too simplified and #2 just wrong, a town-aligned 3P just does not play out the same way masons would.

Omg thank you.

This helps a lot.

Any chance you want to share your win con? If you have already apologies this game is insane

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

Town protectives if any shouldn’t take directions directly from anyone except maybe Norwegian. Much as I do town read you it is a read.

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

We need to see shelly respond then we can see if another although gut says Plus is truthtelling.

It’s waaay too early to be planning forward when the game doesn’t know which way is up.

I disagree. This is how you catch scum off guard and link up with other townies.

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

So @Plus - before Day ends, we should figure out who we target to pigeon hole scum a bit.

Protectives should be on Plus.

@Math - Here’s the thing, at the moment, this is the best use of what we know. What we don’t know doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to that because if new information comes out that is a better use, we update.

We should be updating and reanalyzing ourselves every time new info is brought into the game.

I can agree with the last part but it’s imho poor form to assign protectives before exe is decided

Only on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.

Look at this way, no matter what, now scum are going to think about it. It adds another layer that they have to worry about. Like what if the Protectives someone who would listen to April here?

There’s always different ways to look at how certain things are used.

I’m definitely a performer type.

Like, my playstyle is essentially an Evil Puppet Master Jester type, clown suit and all, I do one thing while really doing another, if that makes sense.

[Titus]

Call me egocentric, because I am, but Titus, can I get some of the magic about why you have me as town from VCA?

Sure, but it might be offensive.

You were early on the ban hydras wagon and scum basically sheeped you. Early voters on counterwagons to scum are actually rarely scum themselves. Scum latch on and are desperate, which is supported in other places in the VCs such as the number of counters.

In short, scum used you.

[April Ludgate]

what are the odds A50 is a cult leader?

0%

I trust Something’s analysis on this.

Only he is capable of truly locking that “what if” out because Rulesets.

[Titus]

the reason it's difficult to comprehend is that it means if you are town, a50, then we have six masons.

I’ve been seeing a lot of people say this. FFS WE ARE NOT MASONS. We are A THIRD PARTY. We are NOT conftown to you. I assume titus’ group is the same to whatever extent. Saying 6 masons is too many is #1 wayyyyyyy too simplified and #2 just wrong, a town-aligned 3P just does not play out the same way masons would.

Omg thank you.

This helps a lot.

Any chance you want to share your win con? If you have already apologies this game is insane

Their claimed wincon is that they win if town wins.

[superbowl9]

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

How is April’s claim proven?

[TheGoldenParadox]

VOTE: something_smart

i'm mildly suspicious of ss being in this thread and yet completely ignoring the setup spec discussion happening

[MathBlade]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

Town protectives if any shouldn’t take directions directly from anyone except maybe Norwegian. Much as I do town read you it is a read.

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

We need to see shelly respond then we can see if another although gut says Plus is truthtelling.

It’s waaay too early to be planning forward when the game doesn’t know which way is up.

I disagree. This is how you catch scum off guard and link up with other townies.

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

So @Plus - before Day ends, we should figure out who we target to pigeon hole scum a bit.

Protectives should be on Plus.

@Math - Here’s the thing, at the moment, this is the best use of what we know. What we don’t know doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to that because if new information comes out that is a better use, we update.

We should be updating and reanalyzing ourselves every time new info is brought into the game.

I can agree with the last part but it’s imho poor form to assign protectives before exe is decided

Only on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.

Look at this way, no matter what, now scum are going to think about it. It adds another layer that they have to worry about. Like what if the Protectives someone who would listen to April here?

There’s always different ways to look at how certain things are used.

I’m definitely a performer type.

Like, my playstyle is essentially an Evil Puppet Master Jester type, clown suit and all, I do one thing while really doing another, if that makes sense.

Makes sense. Although with them having a loyal/disloyal modifier it kind of doesn’t.

Assume they are town and loyal and say they are visiting a scum. They get healed by a protective and live.

It becomes a false inno. This does feel a bit puppet mastery and I tend to play that way as town and scum in different ways. By introducing protectives on them you’re invalidating their check.

Right now we have a lot of shit flying around and having it make sense would be good.

[April Ludgate]

It’s not proven, but I claimed, then Titus confirmed she did something.

I feel there’s something weird going on over there because of it, but idk if it’s her being scum or her being weird

[MathBlade]

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

How is April’s claim proven?

April claimed to motion detect Titus.
Titus confirmed by saying she neighborized A50.

[Titus]

@April

Post 3264 if you please. Who do you think can be scum in the white names below above null? Tia.

[MathBlade]

the reason it's difficult to comprehend is that it means if you are town, a50, then we have six masons.

I’ve been seeing a lot of people say this. FFS WE ARE NOT MASONS. We are A THIRD PARTY. We are NOT conftown to you. I assume titus’ group is the same to whatever extent. Saying 6 masons is too many is #1 wayyyyyyy too simplified and #2 just wrong, a town-aligned 3P just does not play out the same way masons would.

Omg thank you.

This helps a lot.

Any chance you want to share your win con? If you have already apologies this game is insane

Their claimed wincon is that they win if town wins.

That’s town. Usually 3P has town+. Think the Steven universe game. There was town and town+

[April Ludgate]

Here’s the thing, townMe isn’t going to live late anyways, because I can help confirm Plus’ actions giving us clears/guilties.

Scum have to deal with us.

Town Protectives should be on Plus.

And Titus probably realizes this and has to push me. I’ve become a giant threat to the scum team just based on my ability to obv town by play.

Could be wrong, Titus could be a puppet being used by scum, and the mastermind is elsewhere. If Titus is town, I believe you are being pocketed somewhere, but I’ll have to find out where.

Early guesses are Mastina, but i don’t wanna slide down that rabbit hole just yet

Town protectives if any shouldn’t take directions directly from anyone except maybe Norwegian. Much as I do town read you it is a read.

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

We need to see shelly respond then we can see if another although gut says Plus is truthtelling.

It’s waaay too early to be planning forward when the game doesn’t know which way is up.

I disagree. This is how you catch scum off guard and link up with other townies.

Plus and I linked up, as town/town here, which I think they are town here, so that’s the world I think we’re living in, it makes 100% sense considering we are both claimed.

So @Plus - before Day ends, we should figure out who we target to pigeon hole scum a bit.

Protectives should be on Plus.

@Math - Here’s the thing, at the moment, this is the best use of what we know. What we don’t know doesn’t necessarily matter in regards to that because if new information comes out that is a better use, we update.

We should be updating and reanalyzing ourselves every time new info is brought into the game.

I can agree with the last part but it’s imho poor form to assign protectives before exe is decided

Only on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.

Look at this way, no matter what, now scum are going to think about it. It adds another layer that they have to worry about. Like what if the Protectives someone who would listen to April here?

There’s always different ways to look at how certain things are used.

I’m definitely a performer type.

Like, my playstyle is essentially an Evil Puppet Master Jester type, clown suit and all, I do one thing while really doing another, if that makes sense.

Makes sense. Although with them having a loyal/disloyal modifier it kind of doesn’t.

Assume they are town and loyal and say they are visiting a scum. They get healed by a protective and live.

It becomes a false inno. This does feel a bit puppet mastery and I tend to play that way as town and scum in different ways. By introducing protectives on them you’re invalidating their check.

Right now we have a lot of shit flying around and having it make sense would be good.

Plus Loyal targets Player Y
I motion detector Player 1.

If Player Y is scum, Plus’s role won’t go through, and I can possibly get a “no motion detected”

However, scum can counter this because they can have that player make the kill, if anything, but it forces that player into an action, which is at minimum, beneficial.

[Battle Mage]

mathblades brother claim lookin sus

my favourite post of the whole game

[superbowl9]

There’s a lot of claims out there to be sorted but right now we have de facto yours as the only proven one.

How is April’s claim proven?

April claimed to motion detect Titus.
Titus confirmed by saying she neighborized A50.

That’s soft no?

[April Ludgate]

I just town read Taylor and MM out of the white names. The rest I don’t have any real connection with this game

[DiamondSentinel]

Call me egocentric, because I am, but Titus, can I get some of the magic about why you have me as town from VCA?

Sure, but it might be offensive.

You were early on the ban hydras wagon and scum basically sheeped you. Early voters on counterwagons to scum are actually rarely scum themselves. Scum latch on and are desperate, which is supported in other places in the VCs such as the number of counters.

In short, scum used you.

Why would I be offended? I was proven wrong twice. Although ima be real, I’ve kinda adopted that as my strategy. I accept that I’m wrong and let more competent people use my wrongness to solve shit.

[superbowl9]

Is anyone else finding this brother/sister/april analysis to be unreadable

[Titus]

Plus Loyal targets Player Y
I motion detector Player 1.

If Player Y is scum, Plus’s role won’t go through, and I can possibly get a “no motion detected”

However, scum can counter this because they can have that player make the kill, if anything, but it forces that player into an action, which is at minimum, beneficial.

To follow up, this works if Plus is disloyal too.

Plus Disloyal targets Y.
April Targets Y.

Plus role won't go through on town. Thus April detects no action unless scum also target the slot.
Plus role goes through on scum, forcing that scum to claim an action other than an NK.

[April Ludgate]

Being wrong is fine, not reevaluating from being wrong or not knowing the possibility you could be wrong is not.

Scum actively do stuff to make people read them incorrectly, that’s just part of the game. Hits will be taken.