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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:19 pm
by team rocket queen
a) could be co-conspirators with one
b) could have been a calculated risk
c) could have been counting on things flea had said
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:23 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Do you think it’s one of Isis/flea and infinity?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:24 pm
by team rocket queen
like you don't think dunnstral/infinity/morning/skitter would potentially weigh this and sign off on it? they all know you have to win more than the phase to win the game and upside potentially outweighs the x% chance they lose on the spot
especially if the risk there is isis hammering
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:24 pm
by team rocket queen
i think it is two of {flea/infinity/isis/pooky}
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:39 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
It doesn’t make sense for infinity to come over if i am already deepwolfed on the gyp wagon
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:42 pm
by team rocket queen
did the conspirators know that we would know that they would lose if gypyx was hammered?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:45 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Yes
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:46 pm
by team rocket queen
not until after the second launch, according to this:
In post 2653, Hectic wrote:After the second launch and flip, they were told that they must treestump 4 of their own. I inform them that town will know they made this decision and have their circumstances known.
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:47 pm
by team rocket queen
so why is it calculated deepwolfing to you?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:51 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
if infinity is scum and moved from hop to gyp to put gyp at E-1 3 hours before the deadline. that is calculated deepwolfing.
their team must have decided that is the best move for infinity scum to make.
I do not believe infinity scum would make that decision on his own.
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:53 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
I don't see why they would make that move if they already have a deepwolf on the gyp-wagon at that point in time. So if you want to make the case infinity is scum, then everyone else on the Gyp-wagon at that time should be town?
I don't think they take the risk to put Gyp at E-1 if there are 2 potential town votes that can hammer.
They only need 1 deep-wolf and the risk with 2 off-wagon town votes is much worse than 1 off-wagon town vote?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:55 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
you are right they didn't know about the tree-stumping or that town would know what the stakes of D1/D2 truly were.
However I believe they could've guessed given what they did know of the setup at the time.
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 6:59 pm
by team rocket queen
In post 3284, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if infinity is scum and moved from hop to gyp to put gyp at E-1 3 hours before the deadline. that is calculated deepwolfing.
their team must have decided that is the best move for infinity scum to make.
I do not believe infinity scum would make that decision on his own.
but why would you be a calculated deepwolf in that situation? infinity, sure, 3 hours to deadline switch, but why would you?
like the argument that infinity would be forcing you to switch and potentially look very bad because of it that i mentioned much earlier is factoring into my thinking here,
do you think that they wouldn't make that decision?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:00 pm
by team rocket queen
you think you would have guessed that town would be told of the conspirators loss condition as a conspirator in this game?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:05 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
im saying infinity would be a calculated deepwolf if he is red - im trying to think in what gamestate it would make sense for scum to do that move.
it would imply that there is no wolf already on the gyp wagon as it doesnt make sense to put gyp at e-1 with 2 potential town players laying down the hammer.
it would also imply they expected what to happen at the end?
how did they expect the end to play out?
5 town votes plus infinity red on the gyp wagon, gyp is locked to be executed unless someone switches from gyp to hopkirk.
who were they expecting from the 5 town to switch? I know they couldnt expect me to wake up early after passing out - whats the scum endgame scenario there?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:07 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 3288, team rocket queen wrote:
you think you would have guessed that town would be told of the conspirators loss condition as a conspirator in this game?
i think it is a reasonable expectation that the town would receive a lot of information in the 2nd phase of the game.
I think the exact nature of what game the town was actually playing in the beginning would be an essential part of that information.
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:07 pm
by team rocket queen
In post 3289, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:5 town votes plus infinity red on the gyp wagon, gyp is locked to be executed unless someone switches from gyp to hopkirk.
this isn't how the 6-6 plurality works
In post 3289, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:who were they expecting from the 5 town to switch? I know they couldnt expect me to wake up early after passing out - whats the scum endgame scenario there?
me probably, same as they were counting on me voting hopkirk in the first place
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:08 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
? i thought 6-6 plurality means whoever reached 6 first would get launched ?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:09 pm
by team rocket queen
i feel like i quoted the mod post on this for isis a few pages ago
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:09 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
why would they expect you to switch from gyp to hopkirk?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:09 pm
by team rocket queen
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:10 pm
by team rocket queen
because i had previously said i thought gypyx was town, because i had given reasoning i thought hopkirk might be mafia, because hopkirk had just called me dumb when infinity switched his vote
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:12 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
?
that rule is for if 0 people are voting
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:14 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
@mod what happens at deadline if the votes are tied at 6-6 ?
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:15 pm
by PookyTheMagicalBear
like i'm pretty sure it would be first wagon to reach 6 that gets launched
if it was the last, somebody could just unvote and revote to game the system.
if it's ties always result in town launches, then a person placing a tying vote is directly scum-claiming and signalling the person they voted has to be town.