from where I'm sitting if you're town it seems like the easiest thing for scum to do would be to townread you and let you just fight with everyone who scumreads you
saying "this person reads me correctly as town so they're town" is basically diving headfirst into a scum pocket, I have a hard time buying the "I need to be read correctly before I can start solving" idea, it's fucking hard to solve correctly when you're universally townread
No it’s not, I nailed two scum d1 and 3 in Pokemon and many other games. Taly’s IC, are you arguing that somehow adversely impacts his reads because I don’t think so.
And it doesn’t need to be universal, though that helps because if I am universally tr and I endgame in most games, it probably means I’m tr scum. That’s what happened in Xyzzy’s game. Scum were never targeting me because I tr the entire team.
If I’m continuously fighting off srs, it makes it extremely difficult not to focus on that. It’s not a coincidence either that more people are tr me now because I feel freer to try to solve now that I don’t think I’m likely being run up anymore. I’m also rarely obvtown right out of the gate. In Beefster’s game, I almost got miselimed in the span of two hours only to be pretty much everyone’s consensus tr for the remainder of that game. And you should know this too if you can remember nsg’s newspaper game where I was put at E-2 almost immediately and I got the bs she’s completely over reacting to being sr thing.
No.
GuiltyLion
is right in my experience. Being universally townread makes a game much harder to solve and I'm very well accustomed to how that feels.
Slaughter Hour... Among Us... half my towngames on this site and proportionally higher ratio of my large themes.
Being IC is different because EVERYBODY is informed about me, so discerning this very difficult perspective shift is irrelevant as it does nothing.
Harley
, I feel that you've been resistant to work with me at all this game. :/
Dw Taly, I promise to make you very proud of me, you will see.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:55 am
by Ydrasse
they’re either t/s or t/t with galron probably being the scum for doing the rest in the first place when he had espoused a tr on s_s and then not really synthesizing much into his reaction publicly
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:55 am
by Something_Smart
In post 3272, Datisi wrote:ok, real talk, the moment i heard of that happening, it reminded me of t3 trusting you in that trust fall game
like, it's a "why the hell would you do that" and it doesn't necessarily have anything beneficial for scum in it but
Superficially yeah, but the T3 thing was damning because it was a huge risk if he was town and he didn't seem bothered by that. This was not a risk because Galron knew exactly what he was doing.
In post 3271, Datisi wrote:sometimes scum does shit just because they can
and i especially know s_s is prone to falling for that kinda thing so
in case of galron being scum, s_s being town, and another person on the scumteam knowing s_s's meta, that would be a good way to have him pocketed
Except I didn't even townread it initially, and the one who's convincing me is the IC... that seems impossible for scum to predict.
maybe they thought you would? i wasn't saying they would've predicted you wouldn't but ic would. what's your read on him currently anyway?
idk i'm not really worries about it being s/s, i'm more worried about galron being scum because i genuinely don't see what's townie about that slot and everyone seems to townread him and ???
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:57 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3235, Taly wrote:Also damn... I don't know of any other players that becomes UTR more often than I do.
Anyway
Norwe
, do you get this salty as scum? Candid question
Norwee’s thought processes are transparently town. I don’t think he’s capable of faking that to this extent as scum.
I would call him a townread, but not in the top tier of townreads. He's been posting some stuff in the PT that I think would have better been posted here; hopefully he stops doing that.
In post 3234, Taly wrote:Like I develop game losing reads the longer I am UTR in a game without a role clearing me.
Actually I'd say IC helps me solve because my ego is much more removed in this game.
Fun fact
When I think I have a game losing read, I tend to say "I wanna die" in a game.
I might try to imitate this behavior as scum too but I don't think it comes off as sincere.
Very important behavior. One of my behaviors where you learn more about the game than you do my alignment.
Shiro wrote:
In post 3234, Taly wrote:Like I develop game losing reads the longer I am UTR in a game without a role clearing me.
What do you mean by that? I mean like how does being universally town read make your reads worse?
Because I cannot discern who actually townreads me VS who knows that I am town. Instinctively the first question I would otherwise have to help determine I'd someone is informed is if they know I am town.
It's why I read reverse so quickly and strongly in games. I no longer know if I'm entirely scumsiding by taking a player in good faith or if my tunnel is what scum wants because it's never a clear agenda of theirs to work against someone who is borderline mislimmable.
If I endgame in these games, I've lost simply because of how paranoid the final players have gotten to me, Slaughter Hour is the most recent example.
It sucks and it's enough to get me to consider flaking.
Town had a very bad solve in that game and unfortunately for you, gooey played very scummy at the end of that and all duckling needed to do atp was to be extremely pleasant.
In post 2875, Harley Quinn wrote:I am well out of my scumrange based on certain things I have done and no, I can’t point those things out because I don’t want to get banned but they’re there.
there is something that feels really bad about this - like, not in this game but in general
why do you think alyssa and i are town misreading you and not scum pushing you?
I haven't been a huge fan of Shiro's content, especially this post. People said they townread catboi (including my illustrious predecessor, though I don't know how serious that was), is that a meta read? My experience with scum-catboi is that he's pretty slippery and hard to identify.
Like I said I would do a dual ISO dive but they're both recent replacements so I doubt I'd get anything
what about that post bothers you? i don't think it's *good* necessarily, but i'm not sure i see what makes it worth being singled out.
In post 2951, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I don't find Andante's trajectory onto you at all weird, much less enough to confscum them for it
very nice
alyssa and firebringer are on my list of "i have mindmelded with these people so much i will be very sad if they are scum"
In post 3004, Taly wrote:I'm gonna shit my pants, I don't think we have an S/S pair, so half of these pairs are T/S
mood
ok, posting this for now
I did have some slight paranoia on both of you but there are ways to tell the difference between confibiased town and scum. Are my reads in this game so far perfect? Obviously not, otherwise I’d already be certain on who the scumteam are.
Both yours and Alyssa’s pushes on me have been consistent and I didn’t really see anything about them that read fake to me. I felt you both actually believed them, if that makes sense.
oh shit rh9 posted some reads, i'll return to that later
warmpupper continues being my spirit animal here
In post 3143, GuiltyLion wrote:{Datisi}
{Titus, STD}
{Fire, Andante}
{Marci, Norwee}
{Alyssa, RH9}
{Shiro, HQ}
{Galron, S_S}
ha
ahah
ahahahah
i swear i did not read up on the pt or see this before i posted my list
In post 3168, Harley Quinn wrote:Maybe SS could still be town? I’m not tr GL so interesting and Fire wanting him and Datisi to endgame is probably a reason in itself not to ever happen. lol
this game is a practice in restraining myself from saying things that would make me eat a perma
i see that shiro is posting Posts(tm) but none of them feel solvey so far
3197 is goodpost, the only problem is i think galron is scum
Another reason I tr you, our solves are similar. Galron/SS pairing should not be so high, so definitely agree with you on that. I will probably switch my vote to that since I’m less confident on Andante but my problem with her, is that my gut vs my brain are having a bit of a war on that.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:18 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:20 am
by Shiro
In post 3251, Datisi wrote:i see that shiro is posting Posts(tm) but none of them feel solvey so far
I mean, haven't found anything striking yet but hey I am keeping spirits up yo.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:22 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3256, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:I'm more thinking Galron is town because of how I'm looking at the game, and that I don't think we actually gain anything for solving the rest of the game by them being removed first dance
Oh really? possibly? Do you also tr SS then? Idk, should I stay on Abdante then? It’s a gut vd brain thing for me but I’ve learned the hard way not to confibias and listen to dissenting opinions I tr.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:25 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3257, Ydrasse wrote:hq can be emotional etc as any alignment but she refuses to realize the obvious reactions of what is wanted and keeps going like a freight train
she’s more... reticent (though she never is reticent) and less indignant about her towny standing as scum
galron and shiro not towny tho
Have you ever seen a Shiro scumgame? I actually have. He does fuck all as scum and then there’s the PT where he’s posting exactly like he did when we hydra’d together and we’ve never been a scum hydra.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:30 am
by Something_Smart
Can you link the last few games you've played with scum-Shiro?
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:31 am
by Something_Smart
My impression is that while the meta might be real, having a meta of doing nothing as scum is the easiest thing in the world to break, and it sounds like he'd probably be capable of pocketing you in the PT if he already knew what you would want to hear from him.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:33 am
by Galron
I've been asked to post about the leave test. It started with me thinking that if we're going to be turbo-killed, we might as well leave and fuck any more effort in this game, and it would give info to town -- I figured if S_S was scum, the trade-off would be worth it. Thought about it some more, and Taly posted something about waiting until near deadline to lim, so I decided to hold off. Still wasn't completely sure about S_S at that time, but was leaning town. Still was thinking about it Sunday night, and Monday morning I opened the thread and thought, "I don't want to deal with this any more." But I wanted to solidify my read on S_S before taking action. Looked in the rules and didn't see anything about how to leave, and mod said it had to be in main thread. posted in PT in bold galron leaves. S_S almost immediately went off on me for not giving him notice. I told him mod said it had to be in the main thread, and I'm not sure that S_S believed me because he said well I've seen mods accept a lot of stuff they shouldn't. But I could tell he was ticked at me. That, along with him upping his play since then, has led me to conclude that S_S is 90% town and other than IC, my strongest town read.
I told him this morning that at any time he wants to leave, feel free to do so w/out giving me notice. But Alyssa says she doesn't think much info is gained by that, and I think Alyssa is probably town, so it might not be a good move to leave. But I'm leaving that offer open to S_S to at any time bail, at least until intermission, and it won't phase me in the least. I think Alyssa is incorrect in thinking we don't get much info if S_S and I leave, because until Saturday or Sunday I was interacting with everyone, and S_S has picked up his game quite a bit since I did the leave test.
I really don't know where the scum reads on me are coming from, and [insert AtE]. The easiest thing for me to do would to have taken LLD's townread and not challenge it if I were scum, and just coast from that point. I wasn't sure about her slot after she called me town, and my plan at that point was to get in a PT and solidify my town read. I tried to withdraw the proposal after Titus repped in because why wouldn't I? I needed to see her treatment before proposing, but Pooky said I couldn't do that, so I went with it, and after she posted a bit, agreeing with LLD on about everything, I decided her and I in a PT would be good because I could sort her there because at that point I was not town reading the slot, especially factoring in my recent games with LLD where she posted hardly at all, very much in contrast to this game and with Titus being an independent thinker and then agreeing with LLD on nearly everything, I was very leery.
So then Titus hooked up with STD, and I had been thinking STD is not playing like my recent games with him (much more outgoing and more frequent posting), I started thinking (here comes tinfoil) Titus and STD may be scum, and Titus in the scum thread after rep in came up with a plan for a S/S pairing, because Titus is very good at planning as scum, and I think STD proposed after she repped in anyway, so I'm half concluding that that's a S/S pair. And she keeps saying I have an agenda, which I guess I kind of did, but not in the smearing way that she keeps using it.
That's what went down. There may be some mistakes in there because I haven't proofread it.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:35 am
by Shiro
I was capable as scum once upon a blue moon, I had the touch, I claimed scum and then won. Not anymore
P. Edit what kind of monster wall is that.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:36 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3261, Ydrasse wrote:i don’t understand why galron reaction tests a townread like that using weird mech stuff 6_6
+1
Yeah the whole fake leave thing just sounds very weird to me, it’s just so over the top. If I thought Shiro was scum, I wouldn’t pull this kind of shit, I would probably not engage with him much other than try to reaction test him by grilling him about reads and if there was anything even slightly off about his response, I’d make it clear in the main thread that I was having doubts. I don’t know how much familiarity galron has with lover-based dance games but if he actually did post this fake leave thing in his PT to SS, he’d have to know it wouldn’t count. Why dud he even pair with SS over Mala in the first place if he was that suspicious? If Mala wasn’t an actual possibility, then this would be a lot more believable. Idk, it’s possible they’re both town but I kind’ve doubt it. I keep thinking back to CA where Cabd completely pocketed Tweetie by pulling some extremely fake AtE in their PT. Town uses their PTs to solve, scum trues to manipulate, so it just makes me very suspicious.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:36 am
by Save The Dragons
my activity is (almost) never AI
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:42 am
by Save The Dragons
RH9's table is lacking red for sure
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:43 am
by Save The Dragons
like RH9, gun to head, can you pick out 4 slots you think are the scum team
I have never played with scum!Shiro but I read a game where he was scum and he played nothing like he is here. I have hydra’d with him so many times and have had countless discord chats with him and he’s talking to me the exact same way in our PT as he did in all of those discord chats.
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:45 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
that tells me Shiro knows how to talk to you to get a townread, not that Shiro is town
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:47 am
by Harley Quinn
In post 3290, Something_Smart wrote:My impression is that while the meta might be real, having a meta of doing nothing as scum is the easiest thing in the world to break, and it sounds like he'd probably be capable of pocketing you in the PT if he already knew what you would want to hear from him.
He’s not pocketing me. He’s making plenty of reads and doing real solving
just like he has done in every damned game we’ve ever hydra’d in.
