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In post 3274, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:thats why i think u 2 n norwegian r deepwolf territory ceph

well at least youre consistent

Every game i’ve been with Andante in they have been scum.
I’m not seeing anything different here from their scum games.
Maybe i’m just blind, but this feels completely identical.

That factors in recent posts.

And the way they were like: "I think TWIE ISO is town. Hmm..." Before just going along with it. The progression seems fake.

Especially today, it’s like they are posting reads and strong stances, just for the sake of posting reads and strong stances. To look like they are doing something valuable, and being helpful. But then they just go along with what the majority agrees on anyway.

In post 147, Arcade Pals wrote:

In post 144, Ircher wrote:Yes. Stop taking pot shots at everyone.

This seems rather sudden.

does scumstral point out that 144 (directed at his slot) is strange like this

In post 849, Arcade Pals wrote:VOTE: Roden

Out of the three wagons, I would vote here. I feel like Ircher has been talked about enough that I don't really think the reasons they're being wolfread are enough for me to join and quite frankly, having our vote be on them would feel rather stale so let's spice it up a little. lol Mastina

the slot's approach to ircher wagon has basically been to ask for reasons a few times and otherwise ignore it. i can see this not looking great, but i agree that the reasons offered at this time (and honestly ever) were frustratingly weak (incidentally this leads me to suspect some heavy bussing). idk whether being out of step with the hivemind like this is an issue or not. thoughts?

In post 1902, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 1899, Bell wrote:You lurk every game. So saying I’m voting you for lurking is just dishonest. Even as scum I would have a better reason.

Also, schools reopened this week. I’m pretty sure you’re aware of this so I have no idea why you’re trying to even push me using this angle.

Are you saying that schools opening is limiting your posting.

Here, I've got receipts. It's not t he rate of posting, it's what you choose to talk about. Here are some posts I've pulled from games from where you were town, close to the day 1 elimination:

Spoiler: Town Game 1

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Bell wrote:

In post 1417, Chara wrote:Bell: i think there's a difference between your personal read on a slot and that slot being low-hanging fruit, but i'm also not sure if discussing it further would be helpful. what's your read on Whemestar?

Sure, there is definitely a difference between them, sometimes I don't choose my words carefully enough.
I am idly wondering if frequency of his votes early game is alignment indicative for him. Other wise, I he's floaty and idk.

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Bell wrote:Wheme seems pretty genuine to me and I suspect half or more of the people on his wagon.
To me, it's a bad wagon. It does not help that it appears to be the most viable and *easiest* wagon with the more obvious town players being the only real objectees.

Subject: Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

Bell wrote:I’m not a big fan of ircher’s continued push on Notty. It reeks of posturing.

Spoiler: Town Game 2

Subject: Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

Snarky Fishes wrote:Sure. LLD died to cabd recently and they have expressed a desire to kill them and they have expressed the idea of killing players for non-alignment reasons. Since rhea is playing this game i’m not entirely sure how to weigh their analysis. Their argument appears to be that medea started out with a fall back plan in mind. They said as much initially that they were giving us meat on their role instead of other information for us to generate a town read on them(?)

Pooky is hard to read for me. I find his read accuracy as town pretty good. But he also keeps going back and forth on medea and their reasoning is somewhat unclear. Which isn’t that rare for them. But it makes it difficult for me to sheep.

-Bell.

Okay, now my meeting has actually started so I’m out. Ta ta for now.

Subject: Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

Snarky Fishes wrote:Annie, Lukewarm and Dunnstral are my town selections for this game day.

I think Titus is scum.
You might as well have posted my thoughts out in the thread in regards to Pooky/Medea, except I'm not as worried that both are town. Though of the two I lean Medea even though Pooky is sort of limp.
But he's a teddy bear, he can't help it.

Uhh Everywhere else is kinda of up in the air. I won't lie, I'm TRing Ceph based on their approach to Medea, I'm Tring unwnd for "things scum don't or won't say.txt with a healthy dose of paranoia.

Everybody else is basically where I left them last time. Spiffeh continues to toe my scum line. Rhea is a vibe town read.

I'm independently SRIng AA9, but whatever, I'll just say I told you so if they wind up being scum this game.

-Bell

In both of these games you are still talking about stuff and considering things at about the point in the game that we're at right now.

Spoiler: This game

In post 1632, Bell wrote:*wiggles outreached fingers*

Vote Grendal, the game has stalled and I want him to claim.
He hasn't made the slot better.

In post 1641, Bell wrote:It does not directly imply it, but I find that non-posters are not gunna post no matter how much or how little everyone else posts.

In post 1643, Bell wrote:Now, how they are perceived or how much attention their posts get in a relative vacuum of activity, that's fair I guess. But it doesn't really change that they aren't posting. It's more of the equivalent of human attention span-news cycle-lurking.

But voting a lurker until morale improves is certainly not terrible at this stage of the game.

In post 1646, Bell wrote:There's almost nothing to agree or disagree with. Neither have posted much.

In post 1869, Bell wrote:

In post 1867, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:bell u should vote ircher instead

or else i will b forced to crush u like a small cartoon puppy dog and literally everyone in the game will cry

I’m okay with eliminating you if you’re wrong on Ircher.

Sound good?

In post 1882, Bell wrote:

In post 1872, Dunnstral wrote:Bell what is your reason for pushing my slot all game?

Your posts felt wrong all game.

In this game you vaguely push at lurkers in multiple posts, make threats at Mush, and simply say vote x, vote y without any reasoning.

You aren't

discussing

or

considering

anything, and it shows.

i just wanted to pull this because i still think it's a good point and it's why bell is still on my radar. he started the game well but has been super underwhelming since page like 20 or so. and i didn't follow shakespeare super closely, but that's approximately what i remember bell scum doing: working enough to get townread early and then coasting on that for the rest of the game

In post 3278, NorwegianboyEE wrote:And the way they were like: "I think TWIE ISO is town. Hmm..." Before just going along with it. The progression seems fake.

In post 3279, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Especially today, it’s like they are posting reads and strong stances, just for the sake of posting reads and strong stances. To look like they are doing something valuable, and being helpful. But then they just go along with what the majority agrees on anyway.

yeah that makes some sense. i don't like her trajectory on twie either, admittedly

oh, and i forgot to include dunn's day 2. he basically has one "oh" post then votes ircher in complete silence.

i will fuckin throw down for bell rn tbh LOL

like i got a vibe. igot nothin 2 back that up but i got that fuckin spark from death curse like HEY I KNOW U WHATS UP

dunn tho idk im not really sold on either way. weak slot tbh

In post 3276, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Every game i’ve been with Andante in they have been scum.
I’m not seeing anything different here from their scum games.
Maybe i’m just blind, but this feels completely identical.

Then you're probably biased by not seeing her town game. Which is, uh. Very erratic.

In post 3280, Cephrir wrote:the slot's approach to ircher wagon has basically been to ask for reasons a few times and otherwise ignore it. i can see this not looking great, but i agree that the reasons offered at this time (and honestly ever) were frustratingly weak (incidentally this leads me to suspect some heavy bussing). idk whether being out of step with the hivemind like this is an issue or not. thoughts?

Meh if that's Maria posting it I could easily see her making that post as scum

tbh more i think abt it more i think dunn is 100% flip red if bears green

can u all believe btw the bears all 3 of em been silent for 20 unbroken hours

Hi mush!!

In post 3202, Toogeloo wrote:

In post 3171, The Three Bears wrote:For the record the TV becomes Hiss corrupted and breaks containment.
soooo.....

-Pinkie

and yes I'm aware it grants levitate when it's returned to containment.

Haven't you been preaching that flavor is irrelevant? The TV is one of Jesse's Objects of Power after she contains it, and almost all of the Objects of Power in the game need to be contained or cleansed.

And honestly, a leveraging TV certainly sounds untargetable by all but killing actions.

Just sayin'.

Yes, it is. it's also making that point to them. so

-Pinkie

In post 485, Bell wrote:I’m confused now.
I kind of hate Ircher’s and Mush’s wagons.

In post 486, Bell wrote:I think we should probably refocus. I forgot how distracting Noraa can be.
I don’t know what Ircher is doing at all. But I’m fine leaving him be as I don’t think the current game state is necessarily his fault, he’s mostly just jumping in people’s faces. It just feels like posturing to me, but I don’t really see much of any angle.

Norwe and Cephrir

after these posts, bell proceeds to completely ignore the ircher wagon for literally 40 pages, and then we get this gem.

In post 1928, Bell wrote:VOTE: Ircher

Claim

my observation is that scum often bus towards the end of a wagon, thinking it's inevitable so they have to just get on board to avoid looking bad.

In post 1967, Bell wrote:The reason I'm being resistant to the Ircher wagon is entirely based on my experiences with him. He tends to collect votes early and then sheds them with some magic words. Like he did it all on purpose or something.
But he's an odd one.

i empathize because like i do, to date, largely agree that ircher was run up for being ircher.

im not sure i would characterize bell's posts as resistant to the wagon though, so much as pretending it doesn't exist. i could be making a stupid point here as i did not exhaustively check to make sure what i'm saying is true

In post 1966, Bell wrote:As far as Ircher is concerned, I'm just outright gunna say that based on my experiences with him in game and the fact I've never played with scum him.
That it's pretty in character for him to get in front of people and kick them in the shins/posture a bunch. So I don't feel anything uniquely scummy from him this game.
I usually prefer to leave Ircher alone though.

but like also the meta based excuses do go on a bit. and there wasn't much else to defend ircher with.

In post 2605, Bell wrote:

In post 2587, Ircher wrote:I think Bell scum claimed in the last few pages.

Not only are you going to die but you’re going to die while pointing the finger at another town if you’re town.

Nice.

i think this is crappy distancing

In post 2795, Bell wrote:Today sucked. I’d tell you about it but then I’d have to complain to you and nobody wants to complain/hear someone complain.

And so, instead I would like to take a moment to say that galeon’s post makes no sense whatsoever if you read it. Which is weird. It’s like a word salad.

Um. Is Ircher scum tho.

In post 2798, Bell wrote:Has anyone played with scum Ircher before. Because I don’t think I have. Does he put in less effort or

wait but you were so quick to cite meta excuses.

In post 2965, Bell wrote:Why is nobody voting me.

i don't know

bell has done absolutely nothing all game, not one single thing. he has sat on his ass pushing nothing. this is despite his statements indicating dissatisfaction with the game state.

i know he's strapped for time but he did have time to make 184 posts and most of them are just like waving his arms around uselessly.

i feel like bell was strapped for time in other games where he managed to nail scum on his own

im gonna b bells andante. u will have 2 go thru me ok

bell does need 2 step it up b4 we hit endgame but for real im confident enough there 2 let him coast awhile. not ircher-confident but p high up there. id rather powerlim u than let u go for bell just as im gettin a spark of "wait i remember u".

can you phrase this conviction in a manner that i can understand

gut ping of "i can use ur brain as a co-processor 2 find n eliminate all the scum"

i feel like all your reads are based on a clear perspective that players who show, at level 0, what looks like town motivation, are town, while anything that looks like scum on a surface level is scum to you, except for this one

if u ever read death curse its literally what happened in that game

as 4 this surface level bullshit how do u explain me settin u n dragons n norwegian in deepwolf territory. like u three are not fuckin carbon copies of each other n surface level u all look town

fuck offfffff jus cuz icant type or explain shit well dosnt mean im dumb

In post 3296, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:as 4 this surface level bullshit how do u explain me settin u n dragons n norwegian in deepwolf territory. like u three are not fuckin carbon copies of each other n surface level u all look town

there seems to be a special category for people who don't agree with you all the time

thats bs n u know it. bells been disagreein all game. bears r scum LITERALLY cuz they aint dead yet but this towns fuckin sleepwalkin thru that so wtf ever. norwegian n i agree like a lot. toog n i do not agree at all. ur just throwin shit in my direction bc u want 2 believe i have a simplistic view of the game.

like im sorry 2 say ur prejudice is wrong