Mini 1547 - Wicked Mafia (Game Over!)

[Ampersand]

Also, Mina, here's a solid town tell for you. A few days ago, chamber said, without context, "thanks for the complete lack of confidence in my team" over skype. My reaction was a sunken feeling in my stomach, as I interpreted it as meaning you and Nachohydra had quicklynched Mala; I then briefly felt annoyed at and thought less of you for having pushed us before the V/LA as scum before I reached the thread, saw no quicklynch, realized chamber was in fact talking about my predictions for the NHL playoffs (chamber unwisely supports the Detroit Dead Things) and felt a bit silly.

I didn't really want to bring that up but I also don't really want to have to go back over your posting on us and respond to all of it so soon after you made me think we were finally over that silliness.

[Ampersand]

notsci - what prompted you to vote Ghato and then unvote them again? Was it really my post in between, and if so, what scumteam were you imagining, and what were you imagining when you voted them in the first place?

Mina - I just don't understand how you can be reading us scum when, as you've said yourself so many times this game, so many aspects of my play here are nothing like my scum games. And even now you have uncertainties and reservations; they are correct. Can you say the same about Mala? Have you even looked at Mala?

Today your reasoning seems to be purely about our reactions to notsci. CES and I have both now given explanations for our (slightly differing) reactions. Do those make sense? And aside from that, what is it that you expect us to have done differently this game as town? Tell me and I will tell you why we didn't.

- Fenchurch

[Mina]

I can't answer anything until I get home (although I

have

been looking at Mala today), but if Ampersand is scum, they're playing kind of dirty for several reasons.

[Malakittens]

I can't answer anything until I get home (although I

have

been looking at Mala today), but if Ampersand is scum, they're playing kind of dirty for several reasons.

Can't wait for you to share it with the class.

To be fair; however is the scum team they are indeed playing dirty 'cuz this is a tough game, tbh.

@Ns:

Honey dear you'll have to pick between obv-scum Amper or me. I'm not sure if Ghat will be lynched today, I mean it's possible and I understand the paranoia, but we have 2-3ish days til the deadline. I know you are trying to work out Ghat/Nacho, but you need to either work w/ your townreads or Mina to figure out Amper v me. :\

Anyways, I'm here for the rest of the night~

[notscience]

I'll post here more after I'm done working.

[notscience]

I promise more vomit

[Ghatokaca]

Vote: Malakittens

Mina

[Ghatokaca]

CHAMBER LIKES THE DETROIT RED WINGS???
HELL YEA CHAMBER

[Ghatokaca]

Also, Mina, here's a solid town tell for you. A few days ago, chamber said, without context, "thanks for the complete lack of confidence in my team" over skype. My reaction was a sunken feeling in my stomach, as I interpreted it as meaning you and Nachohydra had quicklynched Mala; I then briefly felt annoyed at and thought less of you for having pushed us before the V/LA as scum before I reached the thread, saw no quicklynch, realized chamber was in fact talking about my predictions for the NHL playoffs (chamber unwisely supports the Detroit Dead Things) and felt a bit silly.

I didn't really want to bring that up but I also don't really want to have to go back over your posting on us and respond to all of it so soon after you made me think we were finally over that silliness.

This is adorable!

[Ghatokaca]

I sort of thought Amina and I were coming to the same conclusions on our own. I know it's an incredibly shitty thing to ask of you since this is immediately before deadline and I'm not even sure if I will have the time I want to tomorrow (I've been passing out immediately after work and losing time as a result), but could you please hold that vote on Ampersand until tomorrow at 7pm EST? I'm pretty sure they're town and I think my latest thoughts will probably help you a bunch

[Ghatokaca]

VOTE: ghato

I love this scumgame of yours, Notscience!
You finally discovered the secret: posting is really NOT THAT SCARY as scum.
Unfortunately, you're truly and completely fucked because I'm the best.
And also more ballsy than you!

Vote: Ghatokaca

[Ghatokaca]

TICK TOCK BITCH
OH WAIT YOU'RE NOT AROUND
I THINK I'LL UNVOTE NOW

Unvote

[Ghatokaca]

Oh, whoops.

Vote: Malakittens

[Ghatokaca]

This is 90% because they won't admit I'm town

5% because I don't like the Mala/Ampersand cross

3% because mollie and bro

2% because yolo

pedit-

lol

Let's see... Notscience has his strongest townread lynched.
Next day, the other strongest townread is in danger of getting lynched. He sits with his hands under his ass doing nothing because you want to sort me? Or because you're busy posturing for the 1v1 against me tomorrow because it looks like your buddy is going to get lynched?

[Ghatokaca]

Let's be frank here

I'm a sucker for playing hard to get

pedit-

I'm not reacting to things in the thread? Do tell your reaction to my ghatovote

oh wait

that's right

Here, "obvious town" Notscience responds to an accusation at the beginning of the day by making a quick vote at lylo, immediately retracting it, and then asking his accuser why they didn't react.

HHHMMMMMMMM

[Ghatokaca]

The one thing that really bugs me

Above all else

Is that a ghato/amper scumteam means they decided they wanted to manipulate the everliving fuck out of the QT

OH THAT REMINDS ME

Mina how would you quantify CES's help in the QT

A Ghato/Amper scumteam would mean that we both got recruited into the QT by Medea, yes. What does this have to do with anything?

[Ghatokaca]

What developments in the thread

You voting Mala?

Okay.

It's not like I haven't been crystal clear on where I stand on people voting Mala since like D1.

A better angle for you to push is what changed- early in the game I would throw myself at whoever voted a strong townread and yet here I am not voting you. Is this opportunistic scum looking for a quickhammer or town trying to make sure they aren't stupid? I know I'm going to be here tomorrow, because it's not fucking lylo without me there. So, I'll do as I damn well please.

You think that you having a townread on Mala means that when it looks like Mala is going to get lynched you can do absolutely nothing except publicly waffle in thread on me?

And you say you're not voting Amper because you're being cautious... while not interacting with Mala at all?

[Ghatokaca]

When I learned about the neighbor QT: when Cabd messaged me on google saying that he neighborized us.
Why this matters: it doesn't!

[Ghatokaca]

Let's look at why I'm town

1) throwing myself out there for my reads (with the exception of Medea who got what was coming to them by calling me scum). Hell, I threw myself in front of molliebert for some of my reads and after xmen I shouldn't of had the gusto to do it because I did that with FUCKING NACHO and I was wrong but whatever

2) I'm actually here posting instead of lurkaderping because activity is a scumtell for me, or moreso engagement in the game

3) I'm waffling like fuck and not taking the move I've postured about all game when it could have easily been done without too much rebuke

4) my role pm reads town

5) I doublechecked and it is in fact green

6) I'm not the one buddying up to mina in the neighborhood QT

7) I'm not the one who crossvoted in lylo while ironically it seems like the two people in the QT have the same reads versus the same reads of those out of it who have been actively trying to work together all game inthread that's been laid out for all to see while I guess I'll just have to take your word for it that you guys worked shit out in the QT

8) mollie called me town

9) Bert called me town

10) I'm here arguing about why I'm town instead of just making passing comments when people don't call me town

11) My name isn't listed in your role pm

12) I'm trying to solve the game as a whole rather than do this bullshit one step at a time thing

"people called me town and I'm not lurking"
Do you really want me to tell you all the reasons im town?
If I had the time, I'd take up the entire next page with reason by reason just so no one would miss it, but as obnoxious as I'm feeling at the moment, I'm not feeling THAT obnoxious.

[Ghatokaca]

Part of it feels like Gambler's fallacy

I've seen so much scumcho recently it's time to see towncho

part of it feels like scum nacho wouldn't be this fucking stupid and misread me like this becuase Town ns can look like scum ns if he's disengaged but I've been engaged all game and nacho scumreading me would make me really defensive but at the same time it bugs me because I've been trying ot prove how town I am and it's like nothing

Sorry, just a tiny sneak peak of why we are town:
If you were town, you would be pushing the hell out of us right now. Do you want to know why you're not pushing the hell out of us right now? Because we are town, and (gasp!) obviously so. Do you remember the Cowardly Hider game where F-16 was pretty much nowhere to be found until LyLo (which lasted two minutes?). If we rolled scum and town in the two games we signed up for, F-16 would be excited to be town with town!Nacho (you know, the reason we made this hydra) and thus would invest the majority of the time in the game we were own together in. Instead, we got town in both games, and F-16 invested more time in the game with the better player list (the one he would be more afraid to post in as scum).

[Ghatokaca]

I'm mostly really really hoping Mina was trolling with that big reveal so that she could make me look like an idiot (and if so, good work), but if not, I'm setting #3271 to music postgame so I can remember this moment forever.

[Mina]

Well, this is the obligatory "I'm not scum with Ampersand" post. Because NO ONE could have figured it out on their own!

[notscience]

Nacho

this is a friendly invitation to go die in a hole

1) That's why I lurkaderped in Nati's game while it was going on at the same time as this one. That's why I lurked in my IC game.

No.

I don't post as scum, due to motivation loss. Nice try though

2) I'm better at being obvtown than you by about 200%. Do tell though, in what universe does scum-ns decide that the optimal kill is the lurkaderp conftown with a townread on him over you?

3) Don't buy the bravado. Selfvote was weak as fuck.

4) Why would I possibly not fight to save my next strongest townread after being so blatant in my defense of them all game? Paranoia. The fact we're both in lylo when I expressly said I wouldn't vote her. So no.

5) In what world does scum notscience decide that taking on town nacho in a 3p lylo is a good idea? Oh, that's right. He doesn't. Why? Because scum ns is a coward. Nice try though

6) It means you invited Amper explicitly to help manipulate whoever was in the neighborhood. You didn't get to post N1. In 542, you killed GIF instead of interacting with him N1. Seeing as the cat was out of the bag and you'd look bad if you killed them N2, you had to invite

someone

that was either easy to manipulate or assume a ruse with. Someone to back you up in the QT. Someone that, if they seemed too much a threat, or were catching on, you could kill off one medea and then bus the other.

7) Congratz, I waffled. okay. I've been waffling on everyone, the only one I've been explicit about is you today. That's pleasant.

8) It matters based on 542. If you found out after D1 was over you couldn't have just killed off Medea. You had to keep it going. So, if you found out DURING N1 I'd expect scum you to be like "yo guise lets kill medea" but no you didn't.

9) At least my town meta looks nothing like my fucking scum meta but apparently you can't see that so don't mind me. You aren't even fucking considering I could be town. I'm here in a mental back and forth over who to vote and yet here you are "scum team is x" and I'm really worried that Mina/Mala are the scumteam and decided that buddying me would help get the win which reminds me of xeno 2 and Cabd had told me after the game that he wouldn't have let syry give me shit had they been scum because don't isolate the conftown yada yada and then the like number one thing you want to do as scum is to set it up so you have someone to vote with you which is what Mala and mina both have so I'm sitting here wondering what to do

whatever the next fucking number is)

if

I was town I'd be pushing you? Why the fuck would I trust my read on you after you've snowed me game after game recently. Town me wouldn't trust my own read on you. Also, you've played so much scum recently and no doubt improved on your scumgame. Whose to say scum F-16 wouldn't want to learn from scum-Nacho? Take whatever the F-16/mastindra was about (I am in no way trying to be a dick about this but it's similar) where F-16 was trying to figure out why x was happening when he was scum. So, I don't buy it. Nope. Nada.

For fucks sake

I don't want to be here right now

Becuase I know I'm going to fuck it up and people are going to give me shit for it in postgame

[notscience]

Does anyone know what tbone and UT each prefer to do with their scumbuddies

[notscience]

The worst thing is

I really want mala to be town

But I don't want ot do the same exact bullshit I did with DBK either and have that lose the game

And I really want nacho to be town

But I don't think town nacho would be this fucking oblivious