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[popsofctown]

Cephrir do you townread both Dunn and bits?

[Firebringer]

How about we lynch fireshiro since we all agree on that and then we can argue the merits of this other thing once we know for sure how that turned out

Can you explain ur scumread on either me or shiro? I have yet to see one explanation from you.

[Firebringer]

the most i found about u talking about shiro is "i feel worse than neutral about shiro", which if you count as a explanation for a read. Idk what to tell you.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer- I want to lean scum but I know he just doesnt play mafia the way I want him to
Shiro- has zero content which I'm going to put as a scum lean on principle

Actually this is the most detailed thing you said about me, and I guess Shiro as well, though you mentioned shiro again later as "feel less than negative".

So nothing.

[Firebringer]

worse than neutral*

[Firebringer]

and for some reason, everytime i try to engage u with how i think u post sometimes in a way that is def how ive seen u play scum, you just go ignore!mode on me.

its like you go out of your way to interact with me, why is that?

[Firebringer]

its like you go out of your way to interact with me, why is that?

out of way to NOT interact.

jesus me and words.

[Firebringer]

also if i have to say anything else on shiro its that Shiro is def not scum with bitmap. I have a weak townread on Shiro. Its not strong because I think Shiro could be placating my reads, but I think shiro scumreading both maria/ank is not an argument scum!shiro makes to me or anyone in the game. Especially if we go down the "shiro is placating me with reads route".

[Firebringer]

shiro tr both oka/gamma and said that they shouldn't be lynched and didn't like the wagon.

[Dunnstral]

It's certainly scummy enough to call it scummy rather than offering a free pass to be useless. Nothing good comes of crying about "easy lynches."

I'm giving the Fire-Shiro slot a chance to actually give reads before really pushing them. If they still are absolutely useless, I'll reconsider this lynch notion.

last sentence reads as a policy lynch advocation

But those three reasons are not AI. Especially because there is a pre dance with no lynch.

What does AI stand for?

alignment indicative

@unwnd the thing is I don't see many elaborations being posted on why firebringer/shiro is scum other than pairing so nobody is actually accountable. its just yeah scum we have to lynch

It's not bad if Fire can read Shiro no? or work well with her and since they've seemed to have a long history with each other then its probably true?

Because dominant voices seem to be consensusing around them, Kagami has given approval and Shiro hasn't really posted content in pre dance.

Is the issue of firebringer/shiro solely stemming from their pairing?

Unpopular Opinion: FB - Shiro just seems like an easy lynch for scum.

why are we scumreading shiro?

who is scum in fire/shiro?

Sorry but why are we pushing a fire/shiro lynch ?

VOTE: Firebringer

what?

u know that this isnt over right

Look at how hard oka was defending and deflecting from firebringer/shiro

And then look at how he was behind the scenes pushing my pair

Gamma is there anything in the love pt of value you want to summarize in case FakeGod wakes up before Oka

In particular anything that would be relevant if this flips T/T

Maybe, lenme check

Look at people SRing FireShiro because we both agreed that was fk'ing weird
While I'm on that GRob voting before the flip even happens gives me bad juju

What do you think of this fire?

[Firebringer]

i think that indicates shiro/oka are a strong possibility.

[Firebringer]

I don't think oka was pushing ur pair heavily? Where are u getting that?

[Dunnstral]

Not sure how heavily he was pushing it, but Gamma mentioned a few times that Oka brought up that I could be scum because I partnered with bitmap instead of aliase

[Firebringer]

i don't know if that means much.

[Dunnstral]

GE, could you please report Oka's PT reads if he had any? Awkward interactions, etc?

He didn't like Bitmap latching onto Dunn, which I feel lends to my idea of Dunn pocketing bit

@Kagami I talked with Oka and he told me he didn't really agree with my take at this point so I'll just state it and then write up my read list
I feel like Dunnstral actually makes more sense as scum in the Dunn + Bitmap pairing. My logic is as follows.
Alisae is getting widely townread and the general consensus is e should pair with Dunnstral. Meanwhile Bitmap and Dunnstral have interactions that would make sense for leading up to a pairing but if that doesn't happen Bitmap is kinda up shit creek. So Dunn takes a chance that Bitmap will accept as a way to throw Alisae out of the game early as e wasn't feeling any of the other possible partners at that point. Now this doesn't guarantee Bitmap is town but it makes more sense than Dunn town and Bitmap scum to me because of how the pairing felt. Had it been the other way I'd expect to have things happen in a way to where I'm like "that was sketchy from Bitmap" but it's a deep-seated concern about the fact that pairing happened at all.
And I mentioned Oka isn't on board now but when we first talked about it he kinda agreed on some points so I feel good about it since we both saw those things initially

Kagami
Ank
Oka
MariaR
Bitmap
Cephrir
Creature
pops
Fire
Shiro
Gaiden
unwnd
DV
GRob
Dunn

These are my reads rn, the middle of the list (Cephrir to unwnd) isn't super confident but that's how I feel about them rn.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Uh, 2538 only explains how I

could

be scum and make those choices, it doesn't actually explain why you think I'm scum in the first place, or why that is now your strongest read

The core of it is what Oka and Ank both suggested (Alisae was a better wallflower for scum than Bitmap) which leads into the thing I initially found scummy, which was you asking out Bitmap when you did. As for being the strongest read, honestly my theory equally implicates GRob which is why he's at second highest scumread, I just put you at the bottom because I'm voting you and your actions drove the thinking I'm going with.
And since this is on my mind why is your TR on me "so-so"?

technically it's possible that a scum!dunn picked bitmap to maintain the status quo of general reads instead of having bitmap flip town and forcing a bunch of people to rethink their reads

This was what Oka proposed that really made me confident in this btw

I'm thinking these mentions of Oka point to our pairing being town

i don't think scum!dunny pairs with bitmap over alisae. Is that a good point towards town!dunny?

@gamma did u read my point about how dun plays scum and how he isn't playing like that?

I personally agree with your analysis of Dunn's scum play but don't see how this isn't it

I didn't see this while you were alive - you are delusional if you thought I was playing back and trying to avoid notice in this game

[Firebringer]

I can basically see two worlds right now.

One in which Oka is scum with Shiro. Another where Oka is scum with Bitmap. I don't see a world with that being true for both. If Oka/Shiro is a thing, I am unsure who is last scum but I think that definitely means the final pair matches in this game are heavily into question because I think scum had to have been scrambling for pairs but i don't think its Oka (who were the other pairs that kind of scrambled?)

Oka/Bitmap tells me Deasveil, not really by interactions with each other it just seems like the team from a high viewpoint of the game and how everyone is playing to me.

[Firebringer]

can you stop quoting posts like 3314; they are headache to swift through, can you make your basic argument and then make a quote back up if needed. Cause reading ur quote walls are not helping me understand what point ur making.

[Dunnstral]

My point is that based on the way gamma is talking it's clear Oka was pushing me/bitmap inside of his pt

[Firebringer]

but i am not sure that means much inside the PT?!

do u think shiro saying that Oka/gamma was a bad wagon in my PT means Shiro is scum?

[Firebringer]

i thought oka/gamma was a bad wagon too but i soft defended it, i think i should be getting more shit for that and no one seems to care?

[Dunnstral]

I think pt stuff matters

i thought oka/gamma was a bad wagon too but i soft defended it, i think i should be getting more shit for that and no one seems to care?

But what does that mean for anything

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 1.8

DeasVail - Cephrir [0] -
Kagami - SXTLHGaiden [0] -
Ankamius - MariaR [0] -
Firebringer - Shiro [4] - Golden Robster, Bitmap, Cephrir, Dunnstral
Dunnstral - Bitmap [6] - unwnd, MariaR, Ankamius, Creature, Firebringer, DeasVail
unwnd - popsofctown [0] -
Golden Robster - Creature [0] -

Not Voting [4]

- SXTLHGaiden, Kagami, popsofctown, Shiro

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

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Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2019-07-22 16:00:00)

[Cephrir]

Cephrir do you townread both Dunn and bits?

Dunn yes
Bit probably

[Cephrir]

How about we lynch fireshiro since we all agree on that and then we can argue the merits of this other thing once we know for sure how that turned out

Can you explain ur scumread on either me or shiro? I have yet to see one explanation from you.

I've said several times that shiro only shows up to defend themselves then ghosts again

[Cephrir]

and for some reason, everytime i try to engage u with how i think u post sometimes in a way that is def how ive seen u play scum, you just go ignore!mode on me.

its like you go out of your way to interact with me, why is that?

I have no idea how to respond to "you are scumposting but I think you're town." What do you want me to do with that?