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In post 2889, Amrun wrote:My top townread is Iconeum. But like. Shit. I actually TR him. So he’s probably scum. I give up.

In post 3083, Amrun wrote:And if datisi or icon is scum after all this, just fuck me

In post 3139, Amrun wrote:

In post 3098, Menalque wrote:

In post 3082, Amrun wrote:

In post 3076, Menalque wrote:Like I get having tonal reads and letting tone continue to influence you but unless you know someone really well it’s susp af to be mostly basing your read off “they sound frustrated differently” instead of what they’ve actually been doing in the game

Why is that suspect? You have only the most garbage of reasons to suspect anyone at all. All game you’ve been trying to drop Icon back into PoE for NOT ONE SINGLE REASON. Your push on me day 1 was literally better than your push here and it sucked then too.

I had a decent “case” on Datisi with pretty good reasons but now I don’t even think she’s scum.

This game sucks and town sucks and I suck. I’m over it. If I’m to be lynched in LyLo for extremely bad reasons, so be it. The game is half scum so we probably lose anyway. I deserve to lose for having such poor reads this game.

What the fuck are you even talking about amrun

“All game you’ve been trying to drop icon back into PoE”

Fucking WHERE

literally I was calling icon town until D3 at which point I straight dropped him into the PoE bc that’s how PoE fucking works

Also get the fuck outta here “most garbage of reasons”

What like “menalque feels frustrated differently” is such a solid reason and not at all obviously bullshit for the fact that fabricating a real scumread takes effort that you’re trying to get out of by AtEing all over the thread

I guess you’re right about the PoE thing. I just don’t like it bc icon is obvtown to me.

And oh yeah my reasons mostly suck too. Everything sucks this game.

In post 3164, Amrun wrote:Up until today got so fuckingfucked, I thought scum was datisi/gamma(Bingle)/one of {dw, alim}.

Now, my heart is telling me datisi is not scum and I’m just going with it, I still strongly TR Icon, and I think Bingleslot must be the lying gun, so my scumteam by necessity is {menal, alim, DW}.

But my reads have been garbage all day so Whatever. I’m so fed up.

In post 3176, Amrun wrote:

In post 3174, Bingle wrote:His decision about gamma being gun read as the most fake to me. It's not a strong read, but I'm 50/50 off of random chance and it's as good a starting place as any.

I'm open to being convinced on scumreads.

Can I towncase icon instead?

In post 3280, Amrun wrote:

In post 149, Iconeum wrote:

In post 14, Datisi wrote:I was trying to find some variation of "he said what we were all thinking" or "he's brave for telling the truth" in gif form but i didn't find anything good in the 3 minutes i was searching

In post 17, texcat wrote:9 roses, not what I expected.

VOTE: Aaron

i was promised a bloodbath, instead i've got a hottub full of roses? what is this?

In post 35, Salamence20 wrote:

In post 28, Datisi wrote:

In post 23, Menalque wrote:Calling it now the scum team is literally datisi, SS

There's 3 scum tho

Only scum would notice such a glaring omission

VOTE: Datisi

Not really? But Menal might have townslipped there

In post 41, Pretentious wrote:Oh, wtf. It’s Salamence. Neat.

SS, I’m getting scum vibes from you. I don’t think I’m right by any means, but I feel we’re about to be on different sides of the shift. (Not alignment wise, gamestate wise) However, it could be leftover from the last Guns/Roses.

I for one

love

bad puns. You gotta go for the bad ones to test the audience. Sometimes ya hit, sometimes ya miss.

I don't like this post. Don't understand the need for this callout, especially if you say it's not AI?

Looking for a town slip on a stronger player like Menal is +town

In post 150, Iconeum wrote:VOTE: datisi

In post 163, Iconeum wrote:If I was committed to pushing/shading you on that, I would go for it and push you for it. As it stands, I unvoted already.

I think I might have missed a post here, but he calls Datisi out for the datisi/menal townslip early game thing. Negative buddy points for Datisi.

In post 174, Iconeum wrote:Alim, why the skitty reaction to my choochoo?

In post 177, Iconeum wrote:ok

Salim or Alim, the first one of you to give us the name of your partner will be allowed to live into LYLO, at which point you shall be lynched. We apologize for having to put you through this process, but at least you can live a couple more days. After all, it's not our fault you rolled scum.

Speak

Now, Icon says alim’s early game was so towny, but these are the only real things he said about alim DURING early game.

In post 978, Iconeum wrote:

In post 892, Menalque wrote:Like I have a high confidence in getting to a correct read on datisi (ftr I’ve read here right every game we’ve had together since our first) and I don’t see scum her yet

Like maybe a little from the hesitance to be in thread but she’s still a tonal TL so I’m not willing to go there today

But I know ur worried about the fact that Datisi is

not quite

in her town meta as she usually is when town

In post 957, Salamence20 wrote:

In post 731, Iconeum wrote:And also, Amrun should always be the lynch today.

If we lynch anyone else, it won't even matter what they flip, Amrun is still gonna be hot tomorrow. Better off lynching today and working from there (with wagon information from today). I know a bunch of players who are gonna look pretty ropey if Amrun flips red.

It's just the best lynch.

In post 442, Iconeum wrote:need more votes on amrun

I know youre going to tell me its more about the other stuff he says but I don't see much of a difference between these two posts. Iconeum wants Amrun dead because hes scum apparently, and hasn't done anything since being asked by Menal to do so. Why is he doing it? Probably because he can get away with it in this game?

Instead of non-stop shading, can you like engage with me over stuff?

740 for starters - your words don't make sense with your actual 'reads'

Very weird post about Datisi that subsequently gets discussed a lot.

In post 979, Iconeum wrote:Salamance, ur not trying to sort me. You have been shading me all game, been calling for a vig shot on me, while also calling my play noob (why do you want a noob play vig'd?) and coasting. Which one is it?

If you are actually scumreading me, then push me. If you think i'm town playing bad/noob/whatever, then you shouldn't have asked for a vig shot on me.

Now we start into the Salamence20 push that I originally TR Ico for.

In post 992, Iconeum wrote:I know this is a reactionary play from me, but it doesn't mean i'm wrong about it.

This is image conscious, but a push on sally here is the opposite of image driven.

In post 995, Iconeum wrote:I did say 'was', and it was in reference to the current ones which I see no particular good reason for me to hop on

And no I just posted that to shade you for no good reason. /

I think what I wrote right there. It feels like ur not quite your town self, perhaps going with the flow some more rather then steering the raft.
If I thought anything major of it, i'd be all over your ass don't you worry.

These constant weird posts on Datisi I will never understand no matter Ico’s alignment. It’s like such an obvious associative tell that it probably just isn’t. Negative buddy points for Datisi.

In post 1003, Iconeum wrote:

In post 996, Datisi wrote:And sure, I know I'm not hard in my Town meta of spamposting and yelling at everyone

why aren't you tho?

More of the same.

In post 1007, Iconeum wrote:Salascum Case (OMGUS Edition 2019):

Opens by questioning my slot in 179, calling me a scum candidate because I'm supposedly ignorant in my 149. Scumread because of ignorance is mehhhh at the very best, and a scumpush most of the time.

When I question him on the fact that he didn't try to push or sort his scumread in AF, he calls it an 'opportunistic' push. It's all very weak and shady.

He doesn't try to engage with me. He doesn't try to sort me.

Also says i'm likely to be scum with Amrun, the 1 slot i've actually efforted in trying to get lynched this game.

498 is more shading of my slot, without ever trying to confront me.

Then in 736, he wants me to be vigged. Ever since the start of the game, he's been on my ass for being ignorant. As time went by he tried to add to his supposed case on me, never coming up with anything actually pushable.

In 737 his reasons for wanting me vigged are:

-noob play (nothing to do with being scum or not)
-coasting (misrep) - I mean you can't honestly Judge a slot on coasting based on LAST POST?

THAT'S IT. All the reasons he can come up with are either Town!AI, or NAI. Add a misrep. No effort in actually trying to engage or sort.

If this isn't a scum trying to get rid of me, I don't know what is.

The Salamence20 case for posterity.

In post 1010, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1008, Datisi wrote:

In post 1004, Iconeum wrote:I mean you have a very, ehm, forthcoming? way of playing town. It really stands out. And I'm not seeing that here, yet. That's exactly what I was trying to see how Menal feels about it (him having a ton of experience with you as well).

Yeah, in most cases I do. But it's tiring, and sometimes I do want to take a back seat for a bit.

And both the timing and the phrasing of the remark felt insincere to me. Plus, you've much more experience with town!me than he does, and you've seen me play this way as Town and get mislynched before.

Ur extremely defensive for a very minor thing I said

More weird Datisi posts.

In post 1044, Iconeum wrote:Salamence you've done nothing but take cheap shots at me all game, and been treating me incredibly unfair. If ur town I see absolutely no reason for you not to try and sort me properly instead of these under-the-belt takes you are having.

If ur scum, by all means keep going. Better kill me tonight then tho.

In post 1055, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1052, Something_Smart wrote:getting tunnely like you did here

oh i'm about to get extremely tunnely in this game alright

In post 1058, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1054, Salamence20 wrote:So that means I feel youre gamethrowing by voting someone who isnt getting lynched in 27 hours

i'm hoping this gets proven wrong in the next 12 hours

More sally aggression.

In post 1297, Iconeum wrote:much better off lynching Flavor or Salam or Amrun

All town, for note.

In post 1304, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1302, Menalque wrote:That’s a shitty lynch

i think all three of DDL/Creature/GL lynches are bad

Also all town, interesting enough. Not a lot of scum motivation for this post.

In post 1536, Iconeum wrote:caught up on D2

Menal and SS feel most genuine to me

DDL v Amrun is what I'm gonna look into next

also i'm not particularly fond of Datisi posting this game

In post 1525, Datisi wrote:yoink

Also, both of them are in my Town pile independently, but I have a 9000IQ tinfoil theory of the whole Mena/DDL push being SvS theatre

She's not of the fencesitting type and this post is yuck

More weird Datisi shit. No mention of alim townread, or any DW read.

In post 1539, Iconeum wrote:Yeah i'm just gonna say it out loud i don't care about fallout here, really

Datisi, you think my 'shading' of you was bad, but you questioned my motivation for Amrun, and didn't follow up on it. You think DDL is scummy I guess, and you think he's potentially theatring with Menal of all players? How can you honestly be trying to sort DDL if ur not saying Amrun in the same sentence?

Instead you go with the shading/fencesitty type of approach on what I think is one of the towniest slots in the game (Menal).

I don't like it.

More weird Datisi shit, menal TR

In post 1784, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1775, DogWatch wrote:

In post 1747, GuiltyLion wrote:what I also think is weird having reflected on it more is DDL townreading Menalque, like, this dude was calling you scum all D1 and trying to get you lynched and you aren't suspicious of him in the slightest? really? I suggest I might switch to DDL and he decides to call me out while making no mention of Menalque?

I legit lol’d when I read this. So I just went and ISO’d DDL again and menal doesn’t even make an appearance in the entire ISO with the exception of one offhand comment that DDL likes him. It does seem extremely unrealistic to barely mention someone who’s been calling for your blood like two game days straight.

I like this. It's indeed completely unnatural for town to stay that quiet about a slot pushing you this way. Reminds a lot about myself as scum who tries to ignore rather then engage.

In post 1776, DogWatch wrote:VOTE: DDL

thanks for calling out

L-1

Intent I suppose

Basically the only interaction with DW all game.

In post 1806, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1681, DrDolittle wrote:I want to do dog watch. I think dog watch is scum if amrun is and is fairly likely scum if amrun is not

In post 1738, DrDolittle wrote:Yes sure do dogwatch

In post 1740, DrDolittle wrote:It's more math. I had this list, i think if amrun is scum, then SS or dogwatch are partners. Then through the exchange I ruled out SS amrun partners, so that leaves DW. But DW is independently scummy too

why is DW scum?

Soft defense of DW.

In post 1808, Iconeum wrote:between 691 and 702 amrun did not post

you had a townread on her

but then you say she hasn't been playing her towngame

Whattup with that, Doc?

In post 1820, Iconeum wrote:

In post 1818, DrDolittle wrote:like this progression is clear evidence of reevaluation idk what more is there to it

you were townreading amrun

nothing happened

then you started scumreading amrun

that's not simply revalution

that's you townreading based off of something, but then scumreading that player for the *same* reasons

In hindsight, I may have been pocketed here.

In post 2428, Iconeum wrote:i'm gonna have to shotgun reads for now

i'm mostly caught up actually

my main townread is alim

if i had a gun right now i'd be shooting gamma

extremely sceptical that scum didn't bother to kill of either (menal/datisi), which are prime targets for scum (to target) imo

amrun is likely town, my reasoning being I feel extremely confident that scum would want a lynch on me today, and amrun has not been setting that up, at all

And now, first mention of alim town EVER in Icon’s ISO.

In post 2475, Iconeum wrote:gamma - DW - Amrun - mena - datisi - Amrun - Ico

And DW is somehow next?! For why?!

In post 2556, Iconeum wrote:Menl is openwolfing here wtf

And then wut

In post 2709, Iconeum wrote:yeah i'm definitely townreading alim

reads very much like sorting the game, is confident about the upcoming claim, has been to the point, and having the whole game in mind

is anybody scumreading alim?

I pushed a Ico on the alim TR which I didn’t track. He said he’d towncase him later but never did, actually declined when I asked.

In post 2903, Iconeum wrote:

In post 2900, Amrun wrote:I do not understand these alimdia townreads

i'm fully willing to towncase alim AFTER we have a claimed gun

Except then he said no.

In post 2932, Iconeum wrote:

In post 2928, Datisi wrote:Icon
If your solve is DW/mena/gamma

That means me/you/amrun/alim town
WHO IS THE FUCKING GUN

holy shit

fml

It did take him too long to “realize” gamma was gun. I was telling him and it was fairly obvious.

Also his solves really didn’t follow with his reads from the rest of the game. Re-evaluating is ok (and expected) but I don’t like almost total lack of mention of DW except as a compromise lynch here.

In post 3118, Iconeum wrote:I really don't think that scum!mena is interested in treating my slot as 'could be town' after our engagement

He had the position to hard-scumread me back then and nobody would blink about it, but he didn't

And if most or all of the flipped town had Amrun as top scum, they are all shouting at us from the grave rn. At least it will be a shared defeat then if it comes to that. Still barring my checkup tomorrow wrt to the other flipped town, but scum!mena also has nothing to gain by pointing us towards dead town players reads, unless he thinks that wins him his final mislynch, which means EVERY SINGLE TOWN WAS WRONG, and scum just win at that point

Ok

In post 2952, Iconeum wrote:

In post 2943, Menalque wrote:Icon turned up and shitpushed me (and you, which is making me think you have negative partner equity)

menal

why would I come into today pushing you if the scumteam has gamma singled out as the mislynch?

I pushed you prior to massclaim

Interesting post.


Conclusion:

I still think there wasn’t much scum benefit to pushing sally the way Icon did. However, in read it again, sally was such a little fuckhead that scum Icon may not have cared and the genuineness I read honestly could have come from scum.

Ico/Datisi seems an almost impossible team, and Ico/menal fairly unlikely, but Ico/dw/alim is really viable.

My heart still wants to TR Ico though :c