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Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:25 pm
by Something_Smart
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:25 pm
by Hoopla
i would gamble the game on the neighbouriser being town.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:25 pm
by Menalque
I’m not sure he would actually — I’m notoriously bad at catching scum him — he might NK me for general reasons (if there’s just no doc at all, he figured that if there was one they’d be on lilith or skitter) and so i was less likely to have a doc on me but still a solid kill
But overall I don’t think he’d be that worried about me as a threat /to him in particular/ i think he’d only kill me as a general respect for my ability to be a pain in the ass for scum sometimes
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:26 pm
by petapan
tgp had a better read on hoopla than me, huh
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:26 pm
by Menalque
Does knowing I would actively prioritise getting neighbouriser if I was scum impact this take at all?
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:27 pm
by Menalque
We should really consider NM for a bit here as well tho
I think probably town for the reaction to the cop claim, but worth rechecking
False innos are the fastest way to lose a game
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:27 pm
by Menalque
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:27 pm
by petapan
VOTE: Infinity
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:29 pm
by Infinity 324
Hoopla convinced me, honestly I’m pretty comfortable just sheeping her at this stage. Maybe night actions will help clarify dave’s claim and help sort peta by proxy.
Oh wow. Unfortunately I did my math wrong and we need to find another town. It also relies on y’all trusting me. But I really think PoE is how we’re solving this game.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:30 pm
by Hoopla
In post 3302, Menalque wrote:I’m not sure he would actually — I’m notoriously bad at catching scum him — he might NK me for general reasons (if there’s just no doc at all, he figured that if there was one they’d be on lilith or skitter) and so i was less likely to have a doc on me but still a solid kill
But overall I don’t think he’d be that worried about me as a threat /to him in particular/ i think he’d only kill me as a general respect for my ability to be a pain in the ass for scum sometimes
scum have informed, so if there's no doc, scum
knew
there was no doc N1.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:30 pm
by Menalque
Infinity and hoopla I really don’t think S_S is the one today, and i think you should probably also listen to skitter there
If peta is town then I guess I’d lean towards S_S over infinity fairly strongly at this point, I’d definitely consider it
But if peta is scum then that problem is just resolve, I’m willing to clear S_S off that too, and then we have another de facto conf!town player and a good shot at winning
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:30 pm
by Menalque
In post 3309, Hoopla wrote: In post 3302, Menalque wrote:I’m not sure he would actually — I’m notoriously bad at catching scum him — he might NK me for general reasons (if there’s just no doc at all, he figured that if there was one they’d be on lilith or skitter) and so i was less likely to have a doc on me but still a solid kill
But overall I don’t think he’d be that worried about me as a threat /to him in particular/ i think he’d only kill me as a general respect for my ability to be a pain in the ass for scum sometimes
scum have informed, so if there's no doc, scum
knew
there was no doc N1.
Unless they knew there was no watcher? Remember they only get informed of one thing
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:32 pm
by Something_Smart
What did Hoopla say that was convincing?
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:33 pm
by Infinity 324
In post 3296, Hoopla wrote:SS makes the most sense as a player who would try to kill a town-you N1. but SS also makes sense as a player who i suspect would consider no-killing N1 given his adeptness regarding mechanics/strategy.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:34 pm
by petapan
claiming i somehow made a mechanical fuckup on the process i initiated is peak absurdity when there's verifiable proof i'd be trying to plan a cop claim if a teammate took redirector
but my feeling is at least 2 of the people i'm talking to here are scum so i don't really expect to persuade them
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:37 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 3313, Infinity 324 wrote: In post 3296, Hoopla wrote:SS makes the most sense as a player who would try to kill a town-you N1. but SS also makes sense as a player who i suspect would consider no-killing N1 given his adeptness regarding mechanics/strategy.
How is that compelling? All it takes is one person on the scumteam saying that Menalque is a strong player for the scum to attack him. Just because peta isn't familiar with him doesn't mean nobody on his team is.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:37 pm
by Hoopla
In post 3304, Menalque wrote:Does knowing I would actively prioritise getting neighbouriser if I was scum impact this take at all?
a lot of people talk up a big WIFOM game,
"oh, i'd definitely double up numbers if i was scum, i'd definitely pick X, Y & Z rah rah rah"
, but when it comes down to it few have the nerves to throw a curveball pregame - that's why we see lopsided observed results of 13-0 for neighbouriser scumpicks, and 15-0 for scum not doubling up numbers.
most of the time (pregame especially), scum will just take the path of least resistance (or the paths that keep the most options open).
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:39 pm
by Menalque
No I’d pick neighbouriser because I like PTs
This is the problem hoopla, you’re assuming all the decisions made will be to try and play the game to the maximum wincon % but a lot of us make at least some of the decisions for reasons totally unrelated to that, in this case role being part of that
I don’t play PyP to minmax, I play it because I like the people in the game and maybe I’ll get a cool role that I like
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:43 pm
by Hoopla
In post 3310, Menalque wrote:Infinity and hoopla I really don’t think S_S is the one today,
and i think you should probably also listen to skitter there
this is a good point. i forgot SS was skitter's top town read.
but at the same time, she is dead; her reads existed in a gamestate with far less information. a lot has changed since massclaim, namely our ability to PoE the game in a more detailed way. so i think today's information takes precedence.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:46 pm
by Menalque
*second top
I was her top town read
And nah I don’t think that’s persuasive — there isn’t really a clear reason for it to not be Dave/peta, and S_S isn’t made more scummy mechanically by what’s happened
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:47 pm
by Menalque
And your PoE attempt mechanically is clearing 2 people who really shouldn’t be cleared from it
We really do need to talk about NM and not forget him entirely
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:47 pm
by Menalque
VOTE: lilith
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:47 pm
by petapan
VOTE: menalque
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:51 pm
by Hoopla
there's a part of me that is a little nervous that mine and infinity's reads are matching up too well. but i suppose to win the game, we need a big enough group of town to mindmeld in a largely cohesive manner.
i feel like we desperately need a scumflip today to show we're on the right track. if we mis-elim today, i don't trust our ability to win this from a 7p lylo given how wishy-washy and fluid everyone's reads have seemed to be.
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:56 pm
by Menalque
Okay, I think (?) that’s G-1 on me and I’m going to sleep so if anyone else votes me remember that it’s probably a death sentence because Nm etc etc