Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Ircher]

Sadly, the quote feature doesn't work in locked threads and the pm format is ugly. I will be linking post numbers and using quotation marks around the relevant text.

Post 679 by Titus: "Ndmath is scum. I can't analyze depth but i can analyze them skipping right over my reply to them." --> I feel Titus is attempting to make up a reason to scum read NDMath here rather than letting the facts dictate the read. While it is possible that NDMath purposefully skipped it, NDMath only made one other post between the initial post Titus is referring to here (537) and when Titus made this post. Granted, NDMath's post is on the same page as Titus's initial post, but it seems to me that simply not seeing the post is a very reasonable thing to have happened.

Post 695 by Thestatusquo: "this seems mildly overstated." --> (Thestatusquo is referring to Guillotina's 694.) This is just being nit-picky to be nit-picky. Guillotina has well established by this point that he likes to overstate stuff, so this is a rather pointless comment.

Post 708 by Lady Lambdadelta: "Dunnstral read is that dunn is applying a LOT of good early pressure to good early targets [...] But Dunn is clever enough to do that kind of target selection purposefully seeking for weakness." --> I think I mostly agree with this, yet at the same time, I can't help but feel something is off about Dunnstral. It might just be paranoia.

Post 737 by MURDERCAT: "Like how do you know I'm a good push if you didn't read any of my content? How do you know I hadn't already produced a lot of content when Dunn pushed me? You shouldn't have known that" --> Lady Lambdadelta's statement strikes me as a more general statement, independent of the actual contents of the thread.

Post 756 by MURDERCAT: "My point is that I think you are underselling your knowledge of game state and I think you gained that knowledge of the game state through a scum pt." --> (Referring to Lady Lambdadelta.) I don't really agree. See my comment above.The other comment I want to make of it is that there are multiple possible explanations, and the sequence of posts that began with 737 and continuing to this post are approaching from a very one-sided and biased perspective.

Post 763 by Thestatusquo: "Like idk if I buy that you really believe that scum PTs are places where people are cranking out reads and cliffnotes for their teammates because I just don't think I've ever seen that happen?" --> It is heavily dependent on the particular mafia team, but it has happened. For instance, Pooky vs. Flavor Leaf from last year had a really long scum thread, and while they didn't quite plan every minute detail, there was a lot of real-time coaching. (At the very least, that's what it seemed like.)

Post 772 by Thestatusquo: "Guillotina is like hyyyyyyper paranoid." --> This is typical for Guillotina as both alignments. I wouldn't read into it too much, although there might be some differences in the intensity. I'll have to research into that (if I ever feel the compulsion to actually do such research).

Post 778 by MURDERCAT: "This is a bad vote" --> (Referring to Bingle's vote in 776.) It really wasn't especially after the way you handled your Lady Lambdadelta read in the last page or two.

Post 783 by MURDERCAT: "Like fypov LLD and I are either partners or you think I woke up today and chose death in the game I just signed up for" --> How does that interaction imply that Lady Lambdadelta and you are partners? That looked nothing like scum theatre. As for the latter, idk, I kind of feel you did decide to do precisely that. It's not the most likely explanation, but it doesn't seem /that/ farfetched.

Post 788 by MURDERCAT: "If I'm scum why push you, is the point" --> (Again, he is referring to Lady Lambdadelta here.) This is essentially a WIFOM argument. It's not a good argument at all.

Post 805 by Guillotina: "They feel like they are designed to force me into having to defend myself instead of game solving and that is not fun." --> Remember: You are in control of what you do. No one is forcing you to do anything; you are free to ignore the votes. (Granted, you may get faded, but you have a choice nonetheless.) Furthermore, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Post 810 by MURDERCAT: "If my goal was purely survival, I wouldn't be interacting with you like this." --> Okay, sure, but survival isn't a mafioso's only goal. I think scum you would have a lot to gain by discrediting Lady Lambdadelta here, and while it might track some ire, I don't think this would ever directly lead to you being faded. In a way, it's risky, yet at the same time, it isn't really risky.

Read to bottom of page 33. (This is what I read over the night phase.)

[morph the cat]

Both Shea and Chara had extremely strong yet obtuse townreads to the point of actively fighting the wagon HARD on Anya.

I'm interested in hearing their reasons.

P.S. - Bingle, I will answer your question from the closing of day one if you still wish to hear it, but I'd like to take a little bit to have everyone check in first. Hopefully you can live with that.

[Dunnstral]

If that was a vig shot onto STD, you had better have a GOOD GODDAMN reason, we got his wraith-fruit last night and the last 48 hours of day one he was BLEEDING town.

I dealt two damage to him. I didn't see him as bleeding town.

[Dunnstral]

I saw him as firmly within the poe of remaining players, and not having good votes, and having a measly 3 hp and able to die if anybody else shot at him

[WhemeStar]

Good job guys we voted scum off

[WhemeStar]

I kind of want to claim my night 1 action because I don’t get it and I think the discussion it generates could help

[Bell]

*thumbs up*

Why didn't the scum team killed sigmund?
No, I'm not doing this to raise suspicion that they were both scum in a coordinated effort.

[Ircher]

go ahead

[Dunnstral]

I think that the anya elimination is worth going over more than the night kills

[Dunnstral]

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Looking at this yesterday my suspects based on wagon positions were:

Wheme, Flea, Save the Dragons, Flea again, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo, White Fire

[Dunnstral]

Well, wagon positions mixed a bit with my own reads

[Titus]

Dunn, are you willing to vote NDMath with me?

@Ircher, Hi.

[Bell]

I still wanna kill NDmath and murdercat.

[Titus]

VOTE: NDMath

I thought Data Mining here was a good idea.

[Bell]

VOTE: NDMath

I thought Data Mining here was a good idea.

You always think this tho.

[Ircher]

VOTE: MURDERCAT

[Titus]

Both Shea and Chara had extremely strong yet obtuse townreads to the point of actively fighting the wagon HARD on Anya.

I'm interested in hearing their reasons.

P.S. - Bingle, I will answer your question from the closing of day one if you still wish to hear it, but I'd like to take a little bit to have everyone check in first. Hopefully you can live with that.

I'm not going to cut in on Shea here but I think I know why shea avoided it partially without citing ongoing games.

[Titus]

VOTE: NDMath

I thought Data Mining here was a good idea.

You always think this tho.

I always thought anya was a good idea yesterday. This may be a rare hot early game from me.

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, are you willing to vote NDMath with me?

@Ircher, Hi.

Probably

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NDMath

[Bell]

VOTE: Murderkitty

[morph the cat]

Both Shea and Chara had extremely strong yet obtuse townreads to the point of actively fighting the wagon HARD on Anya.

I'm interested in hearing their reasons.

P.S. - Bingle, I will answer your question from the closing of day one if you still wish to hear it, but I'd like to take a little bit to have everyone check in first. Hopefully you can live with that.

I'm not going to cut in on Shea here but I think I know why shea avoided it partially without citing ongoing games.

Please don't stomp through our lines of questioning.

[Titus]

I think Shea is derp town based on his interactions with me re:anya and their timing. Second opinions welcome.

[Titus]

Both Shea and Chara had extremely strong yet obtuse townreads to the point of actively fighting the wagon HARD on Anya.

I'm interested in hearing their reasons.

P.S. - Bingle, I will answer your question from the closing of day one if you still wish to hear it, but I'd like to take a little bit to have everyone check in first. Hopefully you can live with that.

I'm not going to cut in on Shea here but I think I know why shea avoided it partially without citing ongoing games.

Please don't stomp through our lines of questioning.

I'll avoid saying more then.

[Bingle]

Both Shea and Chara had extremely strong yet obtuse townreads to the point of actively fighting the wagon HARD on Anya.

I'm interested in hearing their reasons.

P.S. - Bingle, I will answer your question from the closing of day one if you still wish to hear it, but I'd like to take a little bit to have everyone check in first. Hopefully you can live with that.

I'm fine with not having the discussion we're going to have now, but we both know we will have to have that discussion today.