In post 2185, MariaR wrote:marcistar/MathBlade/Titus/Not_Mafia
Cape90/Big Chungus Gaming/furtiveglance
Enchant/Save The Dragons/MalcolmTucker
Toogeloo/PookyTheMagicalBear/Frogsterking
pedit: Mafia is that black and white you're totally right. Anything else?
If Maria is mafia here, I fully expect the last mafia to either be at the top or 3rd row since 2 flipped mafia's are in the 2nd and last row. And that Toogeloo is spewed town from this
and me too since y'know, BCG
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In post 1555, MariaR wrote:Could I convince people there's a wolf in BGC/Frog because there 100% probably is? Don't know, it'd probably be easier to vote Save and see where that leads but I'll go the hard route for now.
I would like this
In post 1549, MariaR wrote:Basically, I think Frog has a higher chance of flipping scum than BCG.
For them to be partners, they had to stage an entirely pointless argument that only made both of them look worse, and I suppose if you want to argue they have a big enough ego to do that, sure. What am I missing about BCG because it seems like you're confident on that to some degree.
If the post somewhat before it wasn't this
I almost want to say Maria could be playing like a hellbusser, making the last 2 mafias Maria/Luke as a possibility, got those vibes off
In post 837, MariaR wrote:Cape do you still think save is out of their scum range
These 2 posts. It looks like Maria could be treating me like a village slot but not STD. And it does work with the first post I pointed out.
Not confident in this, it's like suspecting people for being "too right" in a mafia game, that's what it feels like to me when I am making this suspicion XD. I think looking back at this at some point would be somewhat helpful maybe
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:24 pm
by Cape90
tldr: i went in a circle suspecting maria only to not want to push maria today lul
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:28 pm
by Toogeloo
I just spent the better part of 30 minutes sifting through various isos, especially Big Chungus.
I think Big Chungus' iso spews Cape town. Cape was pushing BCG hard most of day 1 and BCG spent a good portion defending himself from Cape.
Sir Rhett was at the bottom of BCG's full player read list as, and I iso'd Sir Rhett and fond the slot to be a little scummy from the 4 posts there. Sir Rhett was replaced by Titus.
BCG makes constant assertions that Frog, Gamma, and Maria are scum. He starts off by stating one of
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:28 pm
by Toogeloo
Oops.. hit submit early, more to come.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:33 pm
by Toogeloo
BCG pushes heavily that one of Frog, Gamma, or Maria is scum. He starts off with one of Frog or Maria, then adds Gamma down the line.
He eventually stops pushing Maria and says she might be town between Frog and her. His bottom 4 the becomes Frog, Cape, Malcolm, and Gamma, with Pooky fifth from bottom and Sir Rhett below them all, though not ranked.
Eventually he calls Cape town after Cape spends a lot of Day 1 pushing BCG.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:38 pm
by Toogeloo
There are quite a bit of intentions to be cleaned from using BCG, and I think the most important is that Cape is absolutely town, and that there is a high likelihood of Titus (who replaced Sir Rhett) and/or Maria might be aligned.
He has a really high town read on STD, and mentions it in thread.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:40 pm
by Toogeloo
He has one singular interaction with Nero (now Enchant).
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:45 pm
by Toogeloo
Enchant, what's your role again?
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:51 pm
by Toogeloo
I think I might be wrong on Maria. I am now leaning Titus + Enchant after BCG's iso followed by the events of Day 4.
UNVOTE:
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 1:57 pm
by Toogeloo
I might be wrong on Enchant also. I think Titus is the right choice today though.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:09 pm
by Lukewarm
Toog's recent string of posts feels less like he could be aligned with Titus. Abandoning his Maria push and transitioning to Titus here does not seem like the play that he would make, when he could just hold onto the maria push hoping that. given cape's recent posting wrt to maria, by the end of the day cape could be convinced to join him there - and leave open the possiblity of transition to me as the day spread out.
Walking away from maria, while calling cape obviously definitely town feels like he is closing too many miselimination doors to be scum here.
Titus+MariaR is what I am thinking now.
Just got a chunk of free time, so gonna go do some isos. Should be around if anyone has questions.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:28 pm
by Cape90
In post 3308, Lukewarm wrote:Toog's recent string of posts feels less like he could be aligned with Titus. Abandoning his Maria push and transitioning to Titus here does not seem like the play that he would make, when he could just hold onto the maria push hoping that. given cape's recent posting wrt to maria, by the end of the day cape could be convinced to join him there - and leave open the possiblity of transition to me as the day spread out.
Walking away from maria, while calling cape obviously definitely town feels like he is closing too many miselimination doors to be scum here.
just another example of you calling me a miselim when you have me in your POE...
In post 3308, Lukewarm wrote:Toog's recent string of posts feels less like he could be aligned with Titus. Abandoning his Maria push and transitioning to Titus here does not seem like the play that he would make, when he could just hold onto the maria push hoping that. given cape's recent posting wrt to maria, by the end of the day cape could be convinced to join him there - and leave open the possiblity of transition to me as the day spread out.
Walking away from maria, while calling cape obviously definitely town feels like he is closing too many miselimination doors to be scum here.
just another example of you calling me a miselim when you have me in your POE...
This post is explicitly why I don't think that Toog is titus's partner lol
Thinking about that possible scum team, would make every slot other then Titus a miselim for him.
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But also, I have not really scum read you since day 3. The more sure I have become that Titus is scum, the more I have started thinking you are town because I don't think that you and Titus are ever partnered
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:42 pm
by Lukewarm
Currently searching through chungus's iso for comments about toog and maria
Spoiler: MariaR
squinting pretty hard at the transistion from the two above, to here
In post 393, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:preliminary Thoughts: at least one of maria/frog are mafia. Neri feels subdued but i wont push it just based on that bc i like them like this and prefer it that way
VOTE: frog
In post 562, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:Also mariar is one of the best players of this game so the fact we have scumreads that align is a sign i think she is town between frog/maria
In post 747, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:
@std i think ur town but maria is srsly not the play here. Pls consider voting with me here: VOTE: frogster
Like he starts by saying one of them is scum, then says that Maria is likely the town "between frog/maria" which feels like it should mean he is trying to appear to still think that one of them is scum, because he is still tying them together. But despite that being his position, he then reached out reaching out directly to STD to keep him from voting Maria.
It feels like, if they were both town, this his goal would have been angling for both, saying there is scum inside one of them, so when one flips town he is set up to push the next. Instead he divested himself away from the scum read on maria by shielding her here. Once he did that Maria just kind of floats in his town reads from there
Toog
Comments on Toog are super sparce, and only time I see an alignment comment from him it is a "if frog scum, then toog town" so tying it to a townie feels like he is leaving himself open to what ever he needs to do wrt to toog in the future. Not geting strong feelings either way, just because he did not really talk about him enough for me to decern if he would or would not say X about a partner.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:52 pm
by Lukewarm
Reopened Johnny's iso, and wow, johnny just... did not talk about anyone really.
He has a bad reaction to Enchant saying he has a guilty on him, like he is trying to figure out if it is a fake out or not.
Mal has votes because Mal didn’t play the way scum Titus expected
So he’s getting run up as a VT.
I meant if Enchant was claiming a guilty on me I'd expect a lot more votes in my direction. Or better yet, votes in Enchant's direction since I'm not actually guilty
Then falls into a line of "well, if the game is solved, then I don't gotta solve" and says nothing about anyone
Then when he could not coast on that, he made a showing that he was getting ready to go through isos one at a time, in order of the player list, but then gave up after literally doing just one (enchant) without even giving a read on him.
He was pretty actively not talking about literally anyone.
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Only thing I gathered here was not likely partnered with Enchant, because of the way he responded to the fake guilty, but otherwise nothing of substance here.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:54 pm
by Titus
This is Luke and Cape.
They are dividing the town.
Scum!Titus never ccs Frogsterking with a guaranteed mislim in furtiveglance.
Just eliminate me now if you won't even discuss Luke. Accelerate the loss at least.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 2:55 pm
by Lukewarm
Still feeling best about Titus + Maria
VOTE: Titus
Pedit: the AtE coming from Titus is something else
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:01 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 3118, Lukewarm wrote:I feel like Titus's positioning around Johnny feels off in general.
Like, she was fighting against Johnny's elim yesterday, and pushing for mine
In post 2785, Titus wrote:No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.
But is now trying to set it up such that if Johnny is killed and flips scum, then she gets her preferred elimination.
In post 3079, Titus wrote:If we do lim Johnny and it flips scum, I want Luke tomorrow. No questions asked.
Like, she is simultaneously trying to keep johnny from going over, but also setting up for a johnny scum flip.
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And there is her interactions with Johnny getting the shots wrong.
immediately catching that it was not what we all thought it was before the claim, but then just not actually seeming to care, and instead start trying to play around him having his shot and where it could go, instead of focusing on the discrepency, and sorting that before trying to use it.
In post 2945, Titus wrote:If BcG has his shot, then he should be the one to be confirmed. We can confirm BcG as the same or differing alignment as someone else. Math can voyeur it.
And in a scum!johnny, scum!Titus world, this idea is to say that johnny is targetting me with a loyal ability, and then have Math vouyer me. Once johnny does not show up as visiting me - johnny claims that he did not get a result, and together they get to say that that is a guilty on me.
Yeah, johnny dies next, but after his flubbed claim, forcing a miselim with him before he goes down seems like the strategic choice.
In post 3090, Titus wrote:
Johnny is likely a flubbed the claim scenario and thus must be eliminated before elo.
And even when you get to her positioning today, she is saying that because his claim did not line up he needs to die before elo, but like also, today is the day before elo, and she is not actually trying to kill him, or push the idea that he needs to die, which makes this line feel hollow.
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Like regardless of the situation, she is just trying to force out a miselim because we are close to elo at this point
Just gonna pull this up to today.
Titus spent multiple days trying to divert wagons off Johnny And her reaction to johnny's slip on how many shots he had does not make sense to come from someone actually interested in sorting johnny
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:02 pm
by Titus
I spent time diverting from one scum to another which I get ZERO talk on.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:02 pm
by Titus
We still should have done my plan. Luke is bragging.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:08 pm
by Lukewarm
I mean, just look at how much effort Titus put into diverting the BCG / Johnny wagons
what makes it opportunistic? who else is coming after you right now?
Math pushes me as scum, MalcolmTucker is floating me being scum. Voting me gives you a place to hide and stir up drama.
I have been coordinating wagons to sort (see Pooky wagon) for the last few pages. You seem interested in forcing me v Math to continue when it's not productive.
StD voted BGC first before I replaced in.
Explain how StD is using me voting BGC to hide there?
That’s like ???
And he moved from BGC to you?
Your questions don't make any sense so I can't answer them.
In post 1841, MathBlade wrote:I’d like to elim BGC and get commitments on who is investing who so I can voyeur and confirm which will leash the scum.
I'll investigate BcG if you leave him and Frogsterking be today. Let's do Malcolm.
That’s one commitment down.
Although I literally have no one I can elim if you suggest that so it’s down a vote because I literally cannot make a world without one of you three. I’ve been trying.
Like the odds of hitting town are astronomical.
That's because you're tunneled.
There's plenty of actual, viable suspects if you can separate from your conclusions and reset.
Look at the VCs supposing that BcG Frogsterking and I are town
In post 1852, Titus wrote:Even if one of the three wagons is scum, there's no specific reason why BcG. My money is StD is the scum wagon.
However, it's day 2 and no mafia flip, so strongly prefer Malcolm. He's basic and never saw Star Wars.
In post 1941, MathBlade wrote:I think her context makes her a fine rolecop claim but I really think that mass claim again solves this problem.
Then we decide a universal target to “cop” check as a thread.
No. You're supposing things to make her post less problematic just to get what you want.
I don't think letting BcG live means all invest claims die.
Can you just let people play?
In post 1986, Titus wrote:That's not discussing my reads. Frankly, I see StD as scum in the VCA. He was an active poster before this. StD's reaction to the claims to say "That's a lot of claims" and dip.
I am sick of going around on BcG. Let's talk about other slots.
Pooky has an uncontested wagon, minus StD and Cape. MariaR and I started the Pooky wagon (even though I am vote 5). Frogsterking flipped town. BCG is likely town. If any scum, toog.
On furtiveglance, we have only Toog and enchant as possible scum but scum have no interest in saving furtiveglance. StD is as expected off wagon.
StD should be the flip.
Malcolm being vanilla and making no effort to lead is also acceptable.
In post 2676, Titus wrote:If Enchant comes back vig, conftown. Kinda was hoping Enchant shoots you or me.
We've established any PR who plays not like you is scum fypov. Frogsterking, furtiveglance, me and BCG. All are town or likely town.
You don't die bc you're the problem.
In post 2785, Titus wrote:No reason to elim a loyal bg claim. Matching BCG's target with Math confirms BCG and that target as sharing alignments. No match means different alignments.
And her push on my slot started with her first post in this game
In post 897, Titus wrote:Kinda feeling Frogster StD based on preliminary VCs. Weak because both counterwagons are voting Frogster.
VOTE: StD
She is not sorting my slot, she made the decision before she even started playing that my slot was a miselim she thought she could get. Likely because StD can get flack in general
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:13 pm
by MathBlade
Listening mode engaged.
Not voting anywhere at this time.
Concerns about me not voting can go in the circular file.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:16 pm
by Titus
Now, Math, you know my scum game and that it should be blatantly obvious Luke is selling a narrative. I never decide player X is a miselimination prior to the start. Being scum is about giving town what it wants.
StD has been scum. Frogsterking knew it so he died. Luke replaced him and has done nothing but kiss your ass and encourage you to order me around.
Town!Titus doesn't get ordered around. She catches scum.
It's Luke and Cape.
It would be 10000% easier to eliminate the obvtown that put Pooky in the dirt but I won't let it happen without them doing it.
Road life calls.
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2022 3:22 pm
by Lukewarm
In post 3321, Titus wrote:Now, Math, you know my scum game and that it should be blatantly obvious Luke is selling a narrative. I never decide player X is a miselimination prior to the start.
Sure does feel that way when you have not appeared to ever have a second thought about me the entire time I have been in this game.
Seamlessly shifting from "bcg is town, lets kill luke" to "Maybe bcg is scum, but lets kill luke first anyways" to "well, bcg flipped scum, lets kill Luke now"
You are not looking at me, you are just pushing me.
And like, someone you confidently called town for multiple days in a row flipped scum, and that sparked zero re-evaluation from you.
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