ASOIAF: Test of Faith Mafia (Game Over!)

[Magua]

Do you think Espeonage is really SK then?

[Thor665]

Yes - if he was cult he would kill the claimed uncultable. The only way he's cult is if SpySpy is also cult.

[Magua]

So what's your theory on no extra kill N1, N2, N3, N4, as well as the daykill on D4?

[ooba]

Vote Count

Empking (4)

- SpyreX, Espeonage, Magua, Thor665

Espeonage (1)

- Empking

Not Voting (3)

- Nexus, Hinduragi, Locke Lamora

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[Thor665]

So what's your theory on no extra kill N1, N2, N3, N4, as well as the daykill on D4?

That there's probably truth to the weird limited kill nature of his SKness.
I agree the kill thing is weird - but I can't conceive of cult killing LB, you'd want to recruit LB. I'd see Espeo as more likely to be scum than cult - but that's something scum actually has an inside track for when deciding their kills, and we already know who we have to lynch anyway.

[Magua]

The limited shot nature makes me think it's more recruited-Warrior than SK. I just don't think that Espeonage is the Warrior. I think he's the cult leader who recruited the Warrior either N2 or N3 (likely N3, because I think AlmasterGM got recruited N2).

[Thor665]

If he recruited the Warrior why would he be targeting kill shots?

[Magua]

Did not parse.

[Thor665]

If the Warrior is who would have the kill ability - if Espeo is the Warrior than he's not CR.
If he recruited Warrior than he shouldn't be killing, the Warrior should.

[Magua]

I see. I was conflating my "recruited Warrior" hypothesis with my "recruiter can kill or recruit" hypothesis.

So if Espeonage is some form of limited SK or recruited warrior, do you think cult was given no fakeclaims?

[Thor665]

Okay, I can see the drive there;

But the reverse is - he's a Recruiter with NK ability and a Daykill ability (or recruited Daykill, I suppose) who decided not to mess with Spyrex at all? How does that make any sense? It seems less bizarre to just be - yeah, cult didn't get fakeclaims.

[Magua]

Blargh.

The chances that recruiter can recruit/kill *and* that the Warrior was recruited N2 or N3 are pretty goddamn low. Cult killing LB only makes sense if the cult thinks he's actually scum (from a failed conversion attempt N2), so, that would mean both that AlmasterGM had to be the Warrior (possible) and that AlmasterGM was recruited N3 (goddamn unlikely).

So.

More likely that Espeonage is simply recruited Warrior.

But even for recruited warrior, it makes no sense to kill LB over SpyreX.

Blargh.

The mechanics of the situation point at Hinduragi.

But rereading Hinduragi's mafia games, he doesn't really AtE so much -- more rational defenses and the like. He gives up easily as town or scum. I just don't read him as the cult recruiter sitting so close to the win.

Espeonage is actively, /actively/ not helping. Fine.
Hinduragi is only one actively not helping.
SpyreX is only passively not helping.

I feel like I'm butting my head up against a wall here and everyone else is just sitting around smirking. Hinduragi's all "DUDES NO DONT QUICKLYNCH WAIT IM GONNA BE AWESO..." and then disappears.

Locke is all, "Man, you guys shouldn't lynch me," and then disappears.

Nexus is all...I'm not even sure what Nexus has done or said today, and I'm too goddamn not caring to check.

SpyreX is all, "Lol shoot Hinduragi," which is understandable in his position, but nothing else. Literally only being saved by his claim at this point.

I'm just so *sigh* at this game.

Mod:

Please prod Espeonage again.

[SpyreX]

I seriously don't know what else you want from me today I've pretty much covered all my though processes more than once and am pretty much a minority aiming for cross kill extravaganza so I can have the PLEASURE of playing kingmaker.

If Esp is telling the whole truth I think its borked.

Soo there we go but regardless of anything else Empking has to die and dragging this out for an infinite number of days doesn't change that simple fact.

[Magua]

If Esp is telling the whole truth I think its borked.

He's not telling the truth. If he were telling the truth then there would've been a reason for the claim and an angling for some sort of advantage. There's not. I mean, plenty of options were available: "Empking is lying," "Yes, I shot LB because I thought he was the recruiter," hell, just about *anything*.

And, my god, to be an SK who is given *3* kills in a 24-player game. No.

He's cult. It's just a question of cult recruiter or cult recruit, and I want it to be recruiter so bad because I *hate* that style of "play".

Soo there we go but regardless of anything else Empking has to die and dragging this out for an infinite number of days doesn't change that simple fact.

You need to direct this statement at:

Not Voting (3)

- Nexus, Hinduragi, Locke Lamora

[SpyreX]

I dont see Empking lying. After you are caught it doesn't make sense.

If the cult could recruit vigs and get vigs + cult then welllll I dont even know.

I concur and realistically that group of 3 has 2 good reasons why this game is a travesty in some respects.

[Thor665]

And, my god, to be an SK who is given *3* kills in a 24-player game. No.

Yeah, this is weird as frell.
Could he just be scum and this is some sort of weird distancing with Emp? That might almost make sense if we get down to near scum majority again and everyone's like - gotta lynch scum, who can we rule out - ah, Espeo totally wasn't scum because yadda, yadda, hey. Let's lynch 'Player X'

That would at least be a potential advancing of a wincon via the claim - though whoever did the other kill, if not scum, would know they're lying. Which then suggests cult had a kill and killed CES, which is even worse than cult killing LB.



Did Bilbo ever suggest his blocks? Because that's the only way LB would have evaded a recruit attempt, and consequently would be the only reason Cult might have wanted to kill him (thinking him scum and unrecruitible), yeah? Looking at Bilbo's iso I got nothing from his end of Day stuff.

But *if* cult tried to recruit LB Night 2
and *if* Bilbo blocked the recruiter
and *if* cult never put two and two together
*then* it could make sense for cult to shoot LB instead of Spyrex...no sir, I don't like it. If you want to go down that road than isn't Spy obvious recruiter and Espeo schmuck recruit?

[Thor665]

@Emp - do you guys have a roleblocker, or are they all goons besides you?

[Empking]

@Emp - do you guys have a roleblocker, or are they all goons besides you?

Which answer means I get to live?

[Thor665]

Well, none of them, but you theoretically want town's help in sussing out a recruiter since you guys can't hit the broad side of a barn - if we know you have a roleblocker we can help group think towards the solution.

If Espeo is mafia you should just tell us though, because than we'll totally lynch him and not you.

[ooba]

Espeonage has been prodded

[Espeonage]

Vote: Emp

[Hinduragi]

He gives up easily as town or scum.

wat

And I've been reading, not posting. That's why I'm currently useless in contribution. Anyways CR is Spyrex. I can't type out why because I'm on break at work posting from my phone. I just saw the hammer and had to tell you I HAVE paid A LOT of attention to the game so I'm VERY SURE I'm right. I'll try to explain why before twilight ends when I get back home from work. If I don't make it in time, then I really don't think I have enough validity behind this for mafia to take my suggestion so sorry to the town. Also, Thor is a confirmed recruit. I can also explain this.

For the record, there never was a reason for me to stop the day and think about lynching Empking. This has been about who the mafia should shoot for the CR flip.

[ooba]

Vote Count

Empking (4)

- SpyreX, Espeonage, Magua, Thor665

Espeonage (1)

- Empking

Not Voting (3)

- Nexus, Hinduragi, Locke Lamora

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

[Nexus]

When is the deadline? Are we just going to continue to argue, or should I just hammer Empking? I know, I know, naughty Nexus, asking permission to hammer, but I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't ask.

[Espeonage]

oh I already voted.