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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:12 pm
by Alchemist21
↑ pirate mollie wrote: ↑ Alchemist21 wrote:I'm not saying reads can't change, but when the reason for the change doesn't make sense, I look at it. You have to look at the reasoning behind the pushes, see what motivation they might have. I've caught scum because they've tried crappy pushes, more recently I've caught some because they've tried forcing awkward Townreads, and once I even correctly ID'd a bus vote on a D1 scumflip and people thought I was crazy for thinking scum would have bussed.
Inconsistency doesn't simply mean a change; it means an unreasonable change.
I'm digressing here though. Let's save theory talk for post-game discussion. Why do you think MS is scum?
with this logic change, what makes wguerts scummier than metal?
cos I feel like metal's in thread behaviour is not town at all. he is doing the same thing as wguerts.
GI pointed out how wgeurts has stated reads on people he never even brought up before for no reason. The scum motivation there would be blending in if it's on a popular wagon, and defending a scumbuddy if they're in danger of getting lynched.
Then there's what I pointed out earlier on how wgeurts is treating his GI scumread. He keeps deviating from it to vote these other players, even when the Nacho plan had GI next in line, but he hasn't dropped that read, so why was he hesitant to lynch there? Either they're scum together (which now seems much less likely but still possible) and he didn't want GI lynched, or he wanted to score some extra mislynches before lynching GI.
What in thread behavior do you see from MS that's scummy? Ooba showed me his points, but it could easily be a case of MS being wrong Town. Tbh I haven't seen much of MS since I replaced in so my read there is still largely based on the 19-page-attempted-readthrough. If I'm missing anything important that would indicate scumMS please show me.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:15 pm
by ooba
↑ GreyICE wrote:As much as I like voting people trying to lynch me (they really do tend to flip scum) I remain remarkably unconvinced on MS.
The lying stuff early game was awful
, but this has been super town play.
Also I'm tired of having my vote cajoled around. If I'd played the fucking asshole and death tunneled my scum reads off the bat and told ABR to go shove his head up his ass, we'd probably be like... 8:2.
Wguerts is scum.
Did you read
this?
Its not *just* the lying stuff.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:21 pm
by wgeurts
ZZZX, no lynching Metal will create a stable Day 6 especially if you happened to be on the wagon.
This wagon is a (likely scum) counterwagon to Metal and self-hammering is never pro-town.
No, you say you trust you mates. However if you where to help finish Metal you would have the votes of those you distrust as well.
It could also well prove Ooba innocent providing less chaos.
You're just finding excuses not to lynch metal.
Also, lynching nacho/hoopla didn't lead to chaos. We've got 3 mislynches as well, so there's no freak "fudge we're going to lylo" panic.
Now for alchemist...
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:22 pm
by Metal Sonic
↑ ooba wrote: ↑ GreyICE wrote:As much as I like voting people trying to lynch me (they really do tend to flip scum) I remain remarkably unconvinced on MS.
The lying stuff early game was awful
, but this has been super town play.
Also I'm tired of having my vote cajoled around. If I'd played the fucking asshole and death tunneled my scum reads off the bat and told ABR to go shove his head up his ass, we'd probably be like... 8:2.
Wguerts is scum.
Did you read
this?
Its not *just* the lying stuff.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2975
Sorry guys I'm at school
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:22 pm
by wgeurts
Hey,
ZZZX
If I were to put MS as my venge and I flip town which I will.
Won't you have to lynch him?
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:23 pm
by ooba
↑ wgeurts wrote:Hey,
ZZZX
If I were to put MS as my venge and I flip town which I will.
Won't you have to lynch him?
Then do it!
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:23 pm
by Metal Sonic
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=2900
Ooba you should probably link my rebuttal against your case for a balanced view, neh?
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:24 pm
by wgeurts
Venge MetalSonic
Still not self-voting
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:25 pm
by ooba
↑ wgeurts wrote:Venge MetalSonic
Still not self-voting
Excellent. Even if you die as town, your death is not in vain.
I can already anticipate a D6 where everyone is like 'MS is so town. Wgeurts can't read for shit'
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:26 pm
by Metal Sonic
He tried to venge Abr and grey.
You may want to ask yourself why he isn't venging me or zar if we are both his top scumreads.
Ooba isn't thinking.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:28 pm
by ooba
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:He tried to venge Abr and grey.
You may want to ask yourself why he isn't venging me or zar if we are both his top scumreads.
Ooba isn't thinking.
Grey venge was a knee-jerk reaction. ABR-venge is in line with his thoughts all throughout the day.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:29 pm
by pirate mollie
wguerts what is your favourite alignment?
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:31 pm
by wgeurts
↑ pirate mollie wrote:hey wguerts!
can you tell me what espo, psyche and tboner have to say about all of this?
Not a lot, I'm honestly on my own pretty much this game. Psyche switched out, Espeonage didn't realise his own game had started so he had to fully focus on his game and T-Bone only followed the start of it.
Anything you'd want to ask them?
(Psyche is now Aneninen)
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:31 pm
by wgeurts
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:32 pm
by Metal Sonic
↑ ooba wrote: ↑ Metal Sonic wrote:He tried to venge Abr and grey.
You may want to ask yourself why he isn't venging me or zar if we are both his top scumreads.
Ooba isn't thinking.
Grey venge was a knee-jerk reaction. ABR-venge is in line with his thoughts all throughout the day.
His thoughts were "zar is scum" and "sonic is scum". He was helping you all the way today in pushing for my mislynch.
Before he posted the above venge, I was about to post something along "looking at wgeurts venge choices, I'm never honoring his venge". Ah, but I guess that now it's on me, it makes me shady doesn't it.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:34 pm
by Alchemist21
Hey Metal Sonic, do you have any other scumread besides wgeurts?
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:34 pm
by wgeurts
Metal, that's not true.
I had you as town.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:35 pm
by pirate mollie
what is your level of enjoyment this game?
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:35 pm
by wgeurts
Also, if you don't honour venge choices.
You've basically shown the town's gone to nothing.
Nacho's plan will never work anymore.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:35 pm
by ooba
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:His thoughts were "zar is scum" and "sonic is scum". He was helping you all the way today in pushing for my mislynch.
Before he posted the above venge, I was about to post something along "looking at wgeurts venge choices, I'm never honoring his venge". Ah, but I guess that now it's on me, it makes me shady doesn't it.
The top sentence talks about him as if he was scum. If he's scum, we're obviously not honouring the venge.
The bottom sentence doesn't make sense - we go ahead with a town vengeful lynch irrespective of how wishy-washy you personally think that town was.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:35 pm
by pirate mollie
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:36 pm
by wgeurts
Varying levels of frustration and more when we actually got 2 scum lynches in a row.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:36 pm
by Metal Sonic
I won't even comment on this further because any move I make is a barbed on either side.
I think that you and zar are the most likely to be scum, and if you're town, which I can see if I tilt my head at just the right angle, then wgeurts is going to benefit the most.
I'll write more later.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:37 pm
by wgeurts
But I've given this game a lot of focus even when buisy to put on a better play.
Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:38 pm
by Alchemist21
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I won't even comment on this further because any move I make is a barbed on either side.
I think that you and zar are the most likely to be scum, and if you're town, which I can see if I tilt my head at just the right angle, then wgeurts is going to benefit the most.
I'll write more later.
Wait, so you have Ooba and Zar as scum atm?