Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

the risk of lynching the roleblocker is gone.

and yet the risk of lynching whatever it is tier has doesnt matter

gotcha

[Cephrir]

I have been restraining myself from voting tiershift on poe in nearly every post I've made in the last few hours.

[Wisdom]

oh look at ceph and iece teaming up on everything

[Iecerint]

Of course it matters, but it's not like highly salient and causing me stress.

[Iecerint]

oh look at ceph and iece teaming up on everything

I normally play the game as town by finding a town consensus to talk about things with, and your approach that every such interaction is a scum conspiracy doesn't jive with that very well.

[Wisdom]

Yeah yeah. Lynching a useless roleblocker who thinks blocking Rhinox is a good idea is so stressful.

[Cephrir]

oh look at wisdom having a simplistic view of the gamestate

[Iecerint]

Of course it matters, but it's not like highly salient and causing me stress.

The saliency point is something I acknowledged explicitly in a part of the post you did not quote where I mentioned that my feelings would probably change when his V/LA ended.

Same deal as Cephrir's V/LA.

[Iecerint]

Yeah yeah. Lynching a useless roleblocker who thinks blocking Rhinox is a good idea is so stressful.

Lynching PRs is in general stressful, especially when they're PRs that get stronger as the game goes on.

[Wisdom]

oh look at wisdom having a simplistic view of the gamestate

yeah the sad part there's nobody who can follow me in this playerlist so scum can counter me with sarcasm like this

[Wisdom]

and the whole playerlist will just follow them because they share their dislike towards me

[Iecerint]

Do you even want to lynch T-Bone at this point?

Like, my impression is that you're vacillating, too. I would think you would be able to identify with my feelings.

[Iecerint]

and the whole playerlist will just follow them because they share their dislike towards me

If you would reduce unnecessary antagonism, it might help.

[Iecerint]

Like I get not talking to scum, but it's irrelevant if your implicit scumteam changes every 2-3 pages.

[Wisdom]

no i dont know who to lynch. My strongest theory lies in tbone/reck, but I can also see tbone-town for the reasons I have said and ns/mastin repeated. My early gut said Ceph and Iece, and teaming up against me or my townreads just makes me want to make you disappear. At times I can see shos-scum, but most of the time I think he's town. ns is town, Grey is town, Tier is town.

I think I'll just keep my vote on Reck.

[Wisdom]

And if you worry so much about lynching a roleblocker as you claim, you should follow me there. Reck doesn't have a strong role.

[shos]

ceph, I admit I might have missed a couple of things over the last 10 pages or so, my last few days were bad; but I still think what I said in that post is good. yes, I'm saying drop vanity wagons and focus on one scum by one, and not the entire scumteam by itself. Games are *usually* not breakable by looking at roles. we don't have copouts apart from NS - does that make it OK to have *SIX* wagons, each with 1-2 votes?

could you explain to me how focusing on 2-3 wagons is scummy in your opinion?
you extremely oversimplified my post when you mocked me over there. the idea is simple. really. is there anyone that thinks that ALL three of ceph, Tbone, and Iece are town? no? I thought so. so why not pick your scummy lot of these, and work with these?

"Because TS is scum too" - cool, ok, work with that tomorrow. the game is stagnating. in the previous weeks our posting rate has been MUCH higher imo. right now, it seems like a yes/no/but wait/no/yes bickering for 10 pages.

[Wisdom]

shos. You think Tbone is scum. Do you agree with me Reck is a pretty likely partner for him?

[shos]

yeah. it's a likely Tbone/iec/reck team imo, but this is based a lot on PoE.

[Wisdom]

Ok. So would you like to lynch Reck instead of Tbone? There are good arguments for Tbone being town, and he's also a potential roleblocker, while Reck's role is a joke. Also Reck might still be scum even if Tbone isn't.

[shos]

Reck's role seems fitting for scum as a way to deceive town; but why would he claim it if this was it?
and re:boner - I know the wiki says it's usually town but I really only have seen scum roleblocker, and I have <no> reasons to think he is town. Reck is *truly* fitting his playstyle - which I always scumread (kinda like ZZZX) but this time it's truly PoE. I don't trust that read as much as I trust t-bone.

[Wisdom]

Reck's role is just a joke, useless to both town and scum, and means nothing. I don't understand your argument.

The arguments for Tbone-town are what I and ns/mastin said. His play doesn't make sense from a scum pov. He is doing scummy things on purpose, he is asking to be lynched, claiming to have targeted obvtown, etc etc.

[shos]

bah I'm not taking a 'too scummy to be scum' as a towntell. there were one too many (or a dozen) places in the game where by themselves I'd lynch tbone for them.

I am willing to consider voting reck though. but not now, I gotta sleep. I'm thinking I'll have good time to invest here on Sunday,.

[Wisdom]

Its not about "too scummy to be scum", it's about the motivation behind the posts. I just can't see the scum one in Tbone's posts except maaaaybe him AtEing to get lynched so that he actually doesn't but I feel like that's a stretch.

[Cephrir]

oh look at wisdom having a simplistic view of the gamestate

yeah the sad part there's nobody who can follow me in this playerlist so scum can counter me with sarcasm like this

People must mindlessly sheep you elsewhere, because there is nothing to follow when you don't post your reasoning.

ceph, I admit I might have missed a couple of things over the last 10 pages or so, my last few days were bad; but I still think what I said in that post is good. yes, I'm saying drop vanity wagons and focus on one scum by one, and not the entire scumteam by itself. Games are *usually* not breakable by looking at roles. we don't have copouts apart from NS - does that make it OK to have *SIX* wagons, each with 1-2 votes?

Yes, it does. It's not like the deadline is tomorrow.

could you explain to me how focusing on 2-3 wagons is scummy in your opinion?

It's a useless thing to say and obviously isn't about to happen because you said so.

you extremely oversimplified my post when you mocked me over there. the idea is simple. really. is there anyone that thinks that ALL three of ceph, Tbone, and Iece are town? no? I thought so. so why not pick your scummy lot of these, and work with these?

There are nine players in this game. Does anyone think that all three of shos, reck and tiershift are town? I didn't think so. that makes exactly as much sense as what you just said.

"Because TS is scum too" - cool, ok, work with that tomorrow. the game is stagnating. in the previous weeks our posting rate has been MUCH higher imo. right now, it seems like a yes/no/but wait/no/yes bickering for 10 pages.

We are debating our options. It's called mafia, try playing it!

We don't exactly have oodles of fucking days to spare here.