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In post 3322, Dunnstral wrote:I'm on mobile and busy but:
Mhsmith is scum. Let's lynch him (I'm caught up.)
Hs-parama probably has scum hs
Jester mds can die

Shadow can stop pushing me and admit he wants to lynch kagami and we can talk about that

In post 3324, Dunnstral wrote:Smith pushing on pieguy looks like a last ditch effort to get townread

In post 3316, Nahdia wrote:i wish i wasnt an ic from game start. being confirmed town from post 1 is hella lame.

In post 2309, mhsmith0 wrote:Also how could you miss the point discussed from 2305? You say that she's bound be be called out for potential BS and yet she HASNT been called out and even questioned for the lack of push on me, which basically invalidates your point.

So far there seems to be no curiosity about why she isn't pushing me, so why would you think it's "inevitable" that scum!her would get pushback if it's a bs'd thing?

In post 2310, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:

In post 2309, mhsmith0 wrote:Also how could you miss the point discussed from 2305? You say that she's bound be be called out for potential BS and yet she HASNT been called out and even questioned for the lack of push on me, which basically invalidates your point.

So far there seems to be no curiosity about why she isn't pushing me, so why would you think it's "inevitable" that scum!her would get pushback if it's a bs'd thing?

No I didn't understand what you said in 2305...

Anyway what I was originally saying was that if scum are saying (we'll use me as an example):

"I really have no idea who is scum anymore seriously I really think inspector is scum"

now compare that sentence with something like:

"I think mhsmith, MDS, shadow are scum. Even Dunn and Jester to a lesser degree I can see as scum. I also seriously have my doubts about inspector idk I really think he could be scum."

Now, which of those two sentences sounds more scummy?

If you have a lot of scumreads and you add your partner, it just looks like scum who's looking for town points by ~kinda~ scumreading their partner.

If a scum barely has any reads, they'll try to use bs to justify a read somewhere else, they don't want one of their few reads on their partner, because then later on they have to put up or shut up with their scumread on their partner. And that is disadvantageous for scum because then they'll have to be pushing against their pairing.

Therefore, what Pie said reads more coming from a townie mindset, as I don't see scum making that post.

In post 2311, mhsmith0 wrote:The problem with that idea is "later on". Pie hasn't positioned herself for a lengthy run here, which means that if she's a wolf, she's probably either going to try and get through a couple more mislynches before she goes, or she's willing to get bussed for town credit.

So "pie not playing to be the deep wolf" is I think probably accurate, but that doesn't actually make her town. I can see the argument that it comes more from a town mindset, but the fact remains the she HASNT gotten a push on that issue, which means that it's reasonably likely that she won't get flak in the very near future.

Ps the large quantity of posts in the game so far gives decent odds of that one being forgotten later on as well, which means that it'd be a very effective wolf post if from a wolf, but isn't disqualifying.

In post 2312, pieguyn wrote:for the record, the only reason I'm on The_Jester and not mhsmith0 is that I'd like a chance to be able to discuss reads with Kagami with a scum flip on the table (and Nahdia if they're still alive).

if we lynch The_Jester (likely regardless of what he flips), or if we get a scum flip somewhere else, or if Kagami decides to ditch me and go ahead and vote us, then I likely will self vote (and SAD is correct that this approach kills me if I'm scum, since once one of these things happens I really have no option but to invent some reason to push someone else and I look like obvscum).

In post 2313, Cerberus v666 wrote:So you scumread your partner and they are your preferred lynch?

In post 2314, pieguyn wrote:based on reads, I think they're the likeliest to flip scum, yes. situationally, not my #1 lynch choice because of what I said in my last post, but that goes away very soon.

In post 2315, Cerberus v666 wrote:Who are the most likely T/T pairs at this moment?

In post 2316, pieguyn wrote:

In post 2281, pieguyn wrote:mhsmith0 feels really fucking off and I'm honestly considering a self vote because that's the only thing I feel even half-strongly about this game. I hated most of his posts in the past 10 or so pages, especially after GE flipping town.

I still think The_Jester is likely scum, too, but I'm not certain about it.

I still think SAD/inspectorscout is the most town pair. I think Dunn/Kagami is probably also town/town, but I'm not 100%.

I largely just want this day to end at this point. I'm ok with any of {jester/MDS, mhsmith0/me, no lynch}.

vote: The_Jester/MDS

your pair excluded

In post 2317, Cerberus v666 wrote:Where is shadow/Maria then? Nowhere on your radar even though they've been the primary topic of conversation for so long? Are they simply...not most likely scum, but not likely enough to be town?

In post 2318, pieguyn wrote:I am not going to lie, I have mostly just skimmed every single thing related to them because it hasn't helped me at all in terms of getting strong reads (there are posts that I might read either way but as I said I'm not interested in forming detail reads on everyone, I'm interested in consolidating town reads on a pair where I'm strongly town reading both players). it's just endless back and forths.

I recall not finding the case on S_S compelling, but I don't have any particular strong town read on him and I have no read on Maria.

In post 2319, Cerberus v666 wrote:Hmm. Got it. Thanks pie!

In post 2320, mhsmith0 wrote:@scout:
It looks like youv only had one scum game on site (excluding marathon)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
And that was as a hydra. Is that correct?

In post 2321, mhsmith0 wrote:Just isod both scout and sad, they're probably a town pair, especially if THAT was scouts only scum game on record.

He's been tonally fine, content seems fine too, ditto most of his questions (apparently I'd found the really shitty one when I was on earlier).

Sad is super aggressive in a fairly hard to fake way, especially if he's been gone for years. Where he's been wrong it's more of an "I'm being an asshole" kind of wrong as opposed to using it to strongarm lynches or advance a partuclar agenda that I can see. 1721 was a good example of a town post, not for the content so much as for the contemptuous tone and the lack of an agenda, I.e. He's showing clear disgust with the game state, and it's being demonstrated rather than just stated, and it reads much more like an hijest expression of disgust than something played up for the crowd to create a TR.

In post 3326, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 3324, Dunnstral wrote:Smith pushing on pieguy looks like a last ditch effort to get townread

The incompetence of that read is truly extraordinary if you're town.

In post 3329, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3326, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 3324, Dunnstral wrote:Smith pushing on pieguy looks like a last ditch effort to get townread

The incompetence of that read is truly extraordinary if you're town.

Disagree

In post 3330, mhsmith0 wrote:And you're not doing much work to find town-town pairs OTHER THAN sad/scout, despite the idea that finding a town/town pair is, to you, supposedly super important.

In post 3330, mhsmith0 wrote:PS pie-dunn probably v/w fwiw

In post 3333, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 3330, mhsmith0 wrote:PS pie-dunn probably v/w fwiw

Based on what?

In post 3332, pieguyn wrote:

In post 3330, mhsmith0 wrote:And you're not doing much work to find town-town pairs OTHER THAN sad/scout, despite the idea that finding a town/town pair is, to you, supposedly super important.

This is such bullshit garbage. Not only do you only need one town/town pair that you feel really confident about to win, this isn't even true (anyone reading the game should be able to tell that I also think Kagami/Dunn is town/town).

In post 3332, pieguyn wrote:

In post 3330, mhsmith0 wrote:And you're not doing much work to find town-town pairs OTHER THAN sad/scout, despite the idea that finding a town/town pair is, to you, supposedly super important.

This is such bullshit garbage. Not only do you only need one town/town pair that you feel really confident about to win, this isn't even true (anyone reading the game should be able to tell that I also think Kagami/Dunn is town/town).

In post 3335, pieguyn wrote:Moreover, you *AGREED* with SAD/inspectorscout being town/town, so I have no idea why you're attempting to complain about it.

In post 3339, pieguyn wrote:And go on, feel free to explain why you're attempting to spin that "I'm pushing you without voting you" when you know full fucking well the reason I prefer a Jester lynch over a lynch on us if I have the option for it.

In post 3338, mhsmith0 wrote:And how much work have you actually done to prove that read? You've done a bit on kagami, and basically zero on dunn other than you saying you think the pair is town/town. So "people can tell I think it" and "I've actually done the work to prove it and convince others" are completely different, and I can assure you that you haven't done the second.

In post 3341, mhsmith0 wrote:And yet you just threatened to suicide right? Because it's a perfectly normal town perspective to be like "I don't want to actually lynch my pair, but suiciding works great as an option" right?

In post 3342, pieguyn wrote:

In post 3338, mhsmith0 wrote:And how much work have you actually done to prove that read? You've done a bit on kagami, and basically zero on dunn other than you saying you think the pair is town/town. So "people can tell I think it" and "I've actually done the work to prove it and convince others" are completely different, and I can assure you that you haven't done the second.

Yes, because saying "if you all decide to lynch us let me know so I can talk about why I think SAD/inspectorscout is town/town" means I clearly have no interest in convincing anyone of either of these reads.

And you're being deliberately dense again. You know just as well as I do that this is a very chaotic game that is almost impossible to keep up with (which, surprise, why do you think I want a scum flip and the intermission before I cut myself off again?). I've been doing what I could, in terms of poking people at various points in the game and discussing reads with them, but acting like I should somehow be able to sway everyone over to my point of view in this game state is disingenuous and you know better than that.

In post 3343, pieguyn wrote:

In post 3341, mhsmith0 wrote:And yet you just threatened to suicide right? Because it's a perfectly normal town perspective to be like "I don't want to actually lynch my pair, but suiciding works great as an option" right?

Holy _fuck_, you cannot be serious.

In post 3344, mhsmith0 wrote:Forget over the top effort, just show me where you've done ANY legitimate work on that dunn read of yours. "I read him town" doesn't count. If you're confident on that townread you should have backup for it. So far you don't, unless I've totally missed it.

In post 3346, mhsmith0 wrote:Those three things together lead to some pretty strange conclusions, unless of course the suicide threat was just a stunt.