@Creature: Could be, but then their traitor would have negative interaction with them.
I think it'd be more interesting if last scum is vanilla because then all of town's following roles only interact with other town roles and the kill.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:19 pm
by mbaki
In post 3323, Varsoon wrote:I've been nothing but genuine here and it's legit annoying as fuck when players like you undermine or manipulate me when I am.
In post 3286, mbaki wrote:Did you iso Oka and Kmd and still come to the conclusion Kmd is town? It may help you to case that.
In post 3301, mbaki wrote:Can you argue why its not Kmd? I appreciate you are doing DDL and not me, but I believe Kmd is more likely.
In post 3304, mbaki wrote:You think the solve is DDL Mbaki because Kmd is town, or because DDL is scum? That's an important distinction.
In post 3313, mbaki wrote:I'm not scum either, Varsoon. And stop ignoring my questions, you are doing a huge disservice to town by not arguing your cause.
In post 3318, mbaki wrote:If you could explain what makes him town to you, that would help.
In post 3321, mbaki wrote:Still have not answered my question. Please town case Kmd if that is your stance.
Where am I undermining you? I have asked you
7
times to defend your town read that is at l-1, and you have ignored me every time. That isn't undermining, that's trying to get you to fucking play the game. You ignored me constantly.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:20 pm
by mbaki
In post 3322, Varsoon wrote:You know what's annoying? Whenever I point out someone's play raises suspicion or that some's play could use work, people immediately ad-hom with that 'holier than thou' shit.
I don't think I've played very well this game at all. I just barely came around on Oka and even then I had huge doubts.
In fact, nah, I'm not gonna stand for that kinda shit anymore.
Am I garbage at the game? Maybe
But maybe you shouldn't be eager pidgeonhole and undermine town who's actually trying to figure out the game. VOTE: mbaki
The burden of towncasing KMD isn't on me.
The burden is on you if you are the only one who thinks he's town.
In post 3324, Creature wrote:I'm just wondering about something: could the last scum be a power role? That would mean mbaki and Kmd are clear unless they have a limiting modifier.
I think last scum has to be vanilla, unfortunately. That or a very weak role. Town just doesn't have enough power to warrant it.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:22 pm
by Varsoon
Creature hasn't weighed in and OBVIOUSLY the scum's gonna say the other two people are scum and vote in whoever looks likelier to eat the lynch
Wow
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:23 pm
by mbaki
I have no words for how much I hate how you've played this game. You lost a lot of respect in my eyes.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:25 pm
by Varsoon
You aren't going to manipulate me that way, dude, I'm the scatman; I should've never had your respect as a player in the first place.
If you respect me less as a person or as a moderator because I have been legitimately poor at playing this one game, that's your prerogative, I guess.
Just don't be dropping personal appeals like that thinking it's going to make me change my vote or my mind.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:25 pm
by Varsoon
And you clearly do have words; you just wrote them.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:27 pm
by Varsoon
Honestly, why don't you pitch who is absolutely gotta be scum so if you eat dirt here and don't flip red, I've got your vote of confidence in where to go next, unless you don't have high confidence in a literal coin-toss odds of picking right
Correct, he's made it clear he's unsure and has not taken a stance townreading Kmd.
In post 3328, Varsoon wrote:BVIOUSLY the scum's gonna say the other two people are scum and vote in whoever looks likelier to eat the lynch
Not remotely true, and I am bemused after all your play you think the scum play is that OBVIOUS.
If DDL is scum, he is trying to lynch Kmd and then ride on the fact he can kill Creature tonight and you are you. My "easier to eat the lynch" target would have been DDL, after my case and my trajectory was set up, and in the world I'm scum that makes him town which means he still would have been pushing Kmd. His "easier to eat the lynch" target would have been me, for the reciprocal reasons. Kmd is the only one fitting the bill of lynching the easiest target, and lynching the easiest target is not the correct scum play always or even most of the time. These are basic scum tactics. DDL has stated he doesn't believe I'm scum because of Oka interactions, and I've stated I think Kmd is far likelier to be scum than him. At least one of us is town pushing Kmd as scum. As a townie who disagrees with that, its YOUR job to convince us otherwise and prevent Kmd from being mislynched. Nothing I have done is "undermining" or "manipulating",
asking you to town case one of the 3 players in the scum pool
can't possibly be seen as against the town wincon and I dare you to try and prove how I'm wrong. I ranted at you yesterday and knocked some sense into you, so hopefully that will repeat here. I know you are not a terrible player normally. Don't be one here.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:36 pm
by mbaki
In post 3330, Varsoon wrote:If you respect me less as a person or as a moderator because I have been legitimately poor at playing this one game, that's your prerogative, I guess.
I respect you less because you didn't play most of the game, and your entire effort here was sheeping somebody who subbed in day 4 and flip flopping your vote around like its having a seizure. Not because of having bad reads. You are voting me reactionarily here, and I knew you probably would, but it doesn't matter. You are saying I'm manipulating you for asking you to make a fucking town case. That's bullshit.
In post 3332, Varsoon wrote:Honestly, why don't you pitch who is absolutely gotta be scum so if you eat dirt here and don't flip red, I've got your vote of confidence in where to go next, unless you don't have high confidence in a literal coin-toss odds of picking right
Hm, let's see.
Kmd, who has garbage interactions with Oka.
Kmd, who had Oka high on his town reads for no given reason.
Kmd, who defended Oka and tried to lynch me over him yesterday.
Kmd, who tried to chain lynch myself and DDL for the win.
Kmd, who Moongrass explicitly lynched Moongrass over me for because he thought there was a shot he was scum.
Kmd, who was scum read by Dann (the only night kill that wasn't an obv town), as well as the other if I recall (don't remember Nero's or rb's reads there).
Could Kmd be town? Sure, but I don't think he is and DDL doesn't think he is and you don't seem to be at all interested in proving the one to two of us that are town wrong.
I did not resort to a holier than thou attitude, I asked you
6
(correction) times to argue why he was town or interact with me or do anything, and you didn't. There are two lynches left, and I know I'm in all odds one of them so I need to pick one today and you aren't helping.
You tried to lynch Creature, directly asking me. Easier vote? I denied you every time.
In post 2797, mbaki wrote:Man, you don't get it. I don't want to vote Creature.You should be engaging with Moongrass about why he town reads Creature, because you think he's town, and hell even without you he just showed he's thinking about Creature scum.
This is what I'm telling you again. You don't seem to get that your job as a townie is to help town win, not state your reads and pout when nobody listens to them.
I didn't join Oka's tunnel on you either, despite the fact I had more than ample opportunity. I chose to lynch Oka regardless, and I had him in my solve from the beginning of the game - not to mention I still think it is ridiculous to think our d2 is TvT.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:57 pm
by Varsoon
Hey, man, I was right about Oka from Day 1
And I was right every lynch I fought
You wanna shit on my play, shit on it, whatever.
Ain't my 'job' as town to do anything but make sure we pull the W eventually. I'm not going to case something I don't have much passion for or drive to do.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:59 pm
by mbaki
Okay, and I told you, I've nothing against you for reads. If you don't have much passion or drive for Kmd being town, then why are you being so obstinate?
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:01 pm
by Varsoon
Like cool you asked me to do some shit I never cared to do a half-dozen times when I'd already said my piece there.
I'm sorry I don't have some huge fucking deluge of observations or info to just win a game with, my guy, but I'm not going to go full-tilt work into something I don't believe in all because some dude who I think may be scum can point at it and make the same excuses anyone else would like "Well TOWN said this, so..."
Look at how much ya'll have been bawking about 'Moongrass said this' or 'Suka said that'. It's dishonest AF.
P-EDIT:
It's just a read I feel more right about than not. Goddamn, I don't have to write a fucking thesis on why I like Mint Chocolate Chip more than Vanilla when I order it, do I?
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:03 pm
by mbaki
Okay, so
why do you feel right about it?
Articulate. Use your words. You didn't say anything, you said you thought he was town and said nothing.
I engaged with you on everything, don't fucking try me. I talked to you about your Creature read even though this is clearly his town game and you should have played long enough to know that. I talked to Oka about his read on you even though it was awful.
In post 2184, Kmd4390 wrote:Suka came right out and said I took no action before I claimed. That would have been a lie that would have been exposed had I taken an action. There's actually a world where someone could see no action as a townie action, although I'd disagree. That could easily be scum who didn't kill that night. Point is, claiming I took no action is risking a lie being exposed. I don't see it the other way around.
This line of logic is what I was saying was good.
In post 2581, Varsoon wrote:KMD's town 'cus I like him. Also, he didn't act when scum only had two people acting and they knew this setup had stuff like Voyeur in it so like
I think scum's more likely in someone who would feel comfortable acting
@Oka: Keep lying--I wanted to go last, with Creature right before me. You insisted otherwise. I still resent you for that.
But you know what?
Fuck it VOTE: KMD
If this flips town, lynch Mbaki tomorrow and don't let that piece of shit AtE you out of anything else.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:13 pm
by Varsoon
The play you've been laying down here is annoying as fuck.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:18 pm
by northsidegal
Hammertime!
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:22 pm
by northsidegal
Kmd4390 was lynched. He was a
Mafia Loyal Neighborizer
.
Spoiler:
Varsoon,
Town Universal Backup turned Voyeur
, survived.
Creature,
Town 2-shot Commuter
, survived.
mbaki,
Vanlla Townie
, survived.
DrDolittle,
Vanilla Townie
, survived.
The
Town
of Mini Normal 2046 has won!
The game is now unlocked for post-game discussion. Private thread links to follow.
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:23 pm
by OkaPoka
gj townies q_Q
sorry kmd
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:24 pm
by Dannflor
ayyy at least I had one good read in this damn game
gg
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:25 pm
by or
meh I thought you guys played really well Oka and kmd
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:26 pm
by DrDolittle
In post 3346, or wrote:meh I thought you guys played really well Oka and kmd
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:26 pm
by Xtoxm
good work
i followed along towards the end
considered replacing suka, but i had kmd as scum and didn't want to trigger his ptsd with another late game replacement to ruin his scum game
but you guys got there on your own
i thought mbaki was painfully obvious town lol