Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Re: massclaim: I don't really care.

Re: items: we don't have one.

Re: Amished tell: that just happened. I have lynched for this twice ever. The first time, I objected to such a dumb tell being used to quicklynch someone. They were scum. The second time, I had decided the tell was good. It wasn't. In conclusion, meh.

Re: how useless I am: there are a number of factors going on here, including me being demoralized because FT flipped town, and me signing up for too many games and slacking on the one in which I had a partner because I'm a bad person. I'm slightly less overcommitted now than I was before, and I'm not planning to go super in depth on what I've already missed (guys, this thread is too dense, please help me out here), but plan to be attentive henceforth.

Baboon and Shark fall into the 'I was reading them town yesterday, and I haven't wavered that much' camp. Baboon's #1710 and #1920 are inconsistent - the former lists me as 'maybe scum' and the latter says they're 'very against' lynching me - but I guess this is going to be explained away as hydra dissonance. Sigh.

This is the first thing you've said this game that has pinged me. I hate it when players complain about this.

I still think AK is probably scum, but I haven't iso'd the dead scum yet. I wish the dead scum wasn't a lurker.

tying town to partners is something scum often do.

Associative hunting is a good tactic. Please allow it to be used.

I hadn't thought of this before, but I'm actually wondering if scum have fakeclaims in this setup (I have no idea whether or not it would have occurred to Nat to do that)

but if they do, it kinda makes the Lissa neighborhood argument way weaker

-b

This sounds insanely fake.

No, it doesn't

VOTE: Cutty Scum

A bastard mechanic necessitates fakeclaims. The mod cannot depend on town outing the bastard mechanic.


AK there is nothing inside knowledge there.

what the fuck is this.

-Ceph

Ceph's tone towards Mala here makes it blatantly obvious that he is trying to set up Nashville for a mislynch.

I don't understand why you don't see it Majiffy.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Thing is... FT doesn't actually answer any of Anatole's issues with him. And I don't think it's fair to say that Anatole made clear that Honey was a compromise vote. It's more that AK intimated that FT was a compromise lynch, he really wanted to lynch Honey who was his 'best gut scum read.' Anatole feels like he's blowing in the wind here. His response today is that he was pretty much happy to lynch either of Honey and FT (or Nashville). The way he reacts to FourT's line of questioning makes me wonder why he had voted FT in the first place... as if he couldn't really defend it, and jumped off as soon as it came under any criticism. We hear that Honey was always his strongest read, but that he was voting because of an impending deadline.

This feels spot on.

This feels like he is goading Fonz into mislynching Anatole.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Players I'm interested in lynching today, at present: 5-off, Nashville, Oka, AK.

Obviously this needs narrowing/refining, which I'm hoping I'll get some of from ISOing the dead scum.

-Ceph

So, he is definitely bussing.

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MJFY, I want you to read the rest of Post 2351 even if you are not going to read the whole game. Notice the tone that Cephrir takes with Nashville and tell me if it looks even remotely like buddy-buddy interactions. I feel that it is blatantly obvious he is trying to manipulate people into pushing Nashville and set them up to be lynched in a subtle way that is incredibly unlikely to be bussing.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

VOTE: Oka

Lets make this a thing, then

Scum-Ceph at this point has no reason at all to bus. He's also a flow busser who doesn't bus out of the blue. He had a moderate amount of towncred to burn and I doubt he would place a vote on a buddy at this point. This obviously doesn't rule out Oka from being the serial killer though.

[Majiffy]

Baboon goes from calling Nash scum to saying a Nash lynch is off the table in less than 7 posts after the one you told me to read.

Any argument regarding Baboon setting Nash up for a mislynch is null and void.

Why do you see Anatole as town and not possible SK?

I guess that's entirely possible. Is that what's being purported?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I've been thinking back and forth the entire night and I keep coming right back to whether his claim makes sense.

Considering the level of swing we've experienced already, low?

Worst case scenario when AK is telling the truth assuming mafia sk also exist:

start (9-3-1) [there pretty much have to be three mafia members since BP died and there are two kills neither of which AK has claimed responsibility for as a vig]
town lynched D1 (8-3-1), nashville gives camera to AK so he has it N1 (unlikely, but possible)
mafia, sk, vig all shoot town N1 (5-3-1)
even town lynching correctly at this point (5-2-1) on D2
can result in them losing parity on D3 (3-2-1) leading to shitty kingmaker situations

-b

This is another huge issue I have with Anatole's claim.

Part of me wonders why he would claim vig so early on in the game with not a lot of votes on him but a vig just doesn't make sense in this setup at all.

I'm left to assume that he claimed because he saw the writing on the wall or he wanted the item to make an unstoppable kill.

Add to that there was a town role that is bulletproof and it just makes more sense as a scum role.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Baboon goes from calling Nash scum to saying a Nash lynch is off the table in less than 7 posts after the one you told me to read.

Any argument regarding Baboon setting Nash up for a mislynch is null and void.

That really isn't true. Mara who knew Mala well and hydra'd with her before would have to buddy and whiteknight her. Ceph who doesn't know Mala as well could push her. If momentum swung onto Nashville, Baboon had left plenty of outs to vote them.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Majiffy, comment on Post 3017. If there really are three kills in a Mini, town only need mislynch once to lose the game.

[OkaPoka]

VOTE: nashville



I'll go with my first scumread.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Do you believe Anatole's claim?

[OkaPoka]

meh. If someone has an item then it sort of legitimizes it.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

All it legitimizes is that there is a mention of having an item in Anatole's role PM and he is telling the truth about getting an ability if he receives an item.

Why is that alignment indicative? Why can't he be scum who gets an unstoppable kill if he gets an item and claimed because he wanted that item?

[Cutty Shark]

meh. If someone has an item then it sort of legitimizes it.

Why would scum ever pass the item?

[Cutty Shark]

Is Majiffy still being useless?

Majiffy, comment on Post 3017. If there really are three kills in a Mini, town only need mislynch once to lose the game.

We could still lose with only one.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

We have time and I'll discuss other reads later but I want to talk about Nashville:

I get the suspicion there and the concerns about them but there are two things that make me sure that they are town:

1) The way Mala initially tried to sort Tammy was incredibly genuine and knowing Mala as both town and scum, I think it is well outside the range of what scum-Mala is able to fake. It felt like she truly wanted to figure out our affiliation and was doing all sorts of odd and unusual things to get a read on us. As scum, Mala is a rather low profile player. She doesn't bring attention to herself. She pops in once in while to post decent-looking analysis of the game. She is emotionally more subdued than she is as town.

2) I talked about this one already but the way she voted us at the start of D2 for a claim.

I haven't figured out who I want to lynch but I strongly prefer that we not lynch Nashville Dreams and consider other alternatives. I'd be shocked if they flipped scum.

3) They led the lynch on Baboon. Titus doesn't bus. I doubt they would do that in the current gamestate considering they had their pick of mislynches on the table (Oka, Anatole, Majiffy-slot). They make no sense as Baboon's partners.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'd lynch 5-off in a heartbeat. He's more likely 3rd than mafia in my opinion, but we're ahead, we can afford to take that risk.

-Ceph

This points against Majiffy being scum with Baboon. Ceph is trying to pin that as a third party. I guess he could be WIFOMing so that he is cleared when 5-Off actually does flip mafia but still.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Coming to think of it, the absulutely clueless start from Oka where he calls FT/IHNC scum and Honeybee town is fairly unlikely to come from scum. I suppose he could have faked a "towntell" but I see it as less likely than him as town derping. Tack that onto Csareo's clearly town motivated play and I'm back at Majiffy/Anatole.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Fine

VOTE: 5-off

L-1?

-Ceph

If 5-Off were not scum, I don't think scum-Ceph would place a vote here and cause everyone to get paranoid and the wagon to dismantle.

This actually very

strongly

points to Majiffy being scum.

[OkaPoka]

why is this game so confusing.

Anyways 50ff might not be town now I think about it.

[fferyllt]

I want to vote majiffy today.

[OkaPoka]

Put majiffy at L-1 and let him spit stuff out?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Here's a visual representation of the votes:

ffery who do you want to lynch?

-b

probably 5-off.

VOTE: 5-off

Even I'm even getting apathetic at this point; let's fucking make something happen

-b

VOTE: 5off


Titus and I were talking about her scum reads this weekend.

I'm still good for a 5off or an oka lynch.

Also I giiggle at suspectin people who are already dead. Just recently did that in a scum newbie game >_>

~M

Cutty - I am kinda busy this morning and was just sticking my head in for a moment. I didn't have time to respond to everything that had happened in the last page of the thread, but that was right there and amusing and, yeah, easy to respond to so I responded.

I'm down with lynching 5 off.
I'd still like Oka lynched.

I agree that we need to do something.
VOTE: 5 off

Does it bother you that a 5-off wagon just blew in on a breeze?

A bit, but people are chomping at the bit for something to happen.

-b

Lissa was already voting 5-off anyways. Nash kinda came out of nowhere but she already expressed interest in lynching 5-off today.

Fine

VOTE: 5-off

L-1?

-Ceph

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Meaning Ffery had expressed paranoia over the speed of the wagon, bork agreed. And THEN Ceph voted putting 5-Off at L-1.

I just don't understand why he would do that if 5-Off/Majiffy were town and cause paranoid Ffery/Bork to unvote and reconsider.

The most solid scum strategy is to frustrate the town by making it harder to mislynch townies that everyone suspects so the suspicion of "why isn't he dead yet" only grows stronger.

On the other hand, I could see Ceph voting a buddy to cause other people to unvote that buddy because they are paranoid and not ready for a lynch yet.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also Ceph is a flow busser so that makes sense from that standpoint as well.

[OkaPoka]

or you know, towncred.