Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Iconeum]

There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?

[Iconeum]

Part of me really wants to hold onto my earlier thoughts that RC/TW could actually be T/T.

[MathBlade]

Part of me really wants to hold onto my earlier thoughts that RC/TW could actually be T/T.

The main problem is it could be I just am losing the desire to care.

RC is such an impediment to cohesion and getting shit done we should have done yesterday that I just can’t care anymore. If he’s town tough shit he should not get in the way of town.

[MathBlade]

I would love to be able to leave him until tomorrow but he is consistently fucking with Skitter and other people to start a wagon that is completely antitown.

[MathBlade]

There's no point in lynching RC today, Math. I'd want to. But there's no point.

Either he's town PR, and he dies tonight. Or he's scum, and we lynch him tomorrow.

Do you think it's better to get rid of him today?

In short, no but ultimately necessary.

[MathBlade]

honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

The hard drop and then refusing to pursue it is too much a problem. We lynch Ari or RC today. Because I am not going to let RC manipulate us into anything else.

[Iconeum]

Part of me really wants to hold onto my earlier thoughts that RC/TW could actually be T/T.

The main problem is it could be I just am losing the desire to care.

RC is such an impediment to cohesion and getting shit done we should have done yesterday that I just can’t care anymore. If he’s town tough shit he should not get in the way of town.

This isn't just a game that I/you/anyone should be losing desire to care about. It's Team Mafia. Bite thru the rough part. I know it's not an easy task, but despite RC being center of gravity I think we can do this.

We need to sort a couple slots: Ari/Plum/Flopz. Skitter as well. I really didn't like the way she turned her scumread upside down on me, basicly because she was being deadlocked by TW in doing so.

Flopz's votes on Ari and TW were disgusting, and it makes me hold back on an Ari scumread. I have the same thoughts about him as I had yesterday: Completely null.

Plum needs to be sorted to give the actual good players in this game a chance at sorting/winning this shit for me

[Iconeum]

I would love to be able to leave him until tomorrow but he is consistently fucking with Skitter and other people to start a wagon that is completely antitown.

I don't agree that Plum is an anti-town wagon at this point? Why do you think so?

[Iconeum]

honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

The hard drop and then refusing to pursue it is too much a problem. We lynch Ari or RC today. Because I am not going to let RC manipulate us into anything else.

So scum!RC with scum!Ari doesn't make much sense based on asso's. Scum!RC with town!ari doesn't make much sense because scum!RC would just lynch Ari and be done with it? Onto D2 and another attempt at mislynch?

Or is it actually town!RC that engaged with Ari and came to a town!Ari conclusion? I think this option exists.

[Iconeum]

Also flopz is kinda low-balling, but he made a couple REALLY scummy posts that people seem to be ignoring because of his low-game presence. I'd like to change that and have him be responsible for his votes/reads before this day ends.

[MathBlade]

I would love to be able to leave him until tomorrow but he is consistently fucking with Skitter and other people to start a wagon that is completely antitown.

I don't agree that Plum is an anti-town wagon at this point? Why do you think so?

Because it doesn’t solve anything about day one.

Plum is only scum if Ari is. If Ari’s town Plum’s town.

[MathBlade]

honestly i really need to go to sleep and i don't think i can process figuring it out if voting you is a good idea when you post things like that and i'm this tired

so i'm gonna bounce

pedit ari got up to l-1 and if i recall correctly there was at least one intent (mabye not explicit intent but iirc most people were ok with his lynch just then)
and then rc like hard-reversed and the thing dropped

and i think that between {ari/rc} ari flips usually before rc so he wouldn't tie himself that atrociously to a bizarre ari flip that could be revisited because he'd riled up so much fervor for it and then not carried it through

The hard drop and then refusing to pursue it is too much a problem. We lynch Ari or RC today. Because I am not going to let RC manipulate us into anything else.

So scum!RC with scum!Ari doesn't make much sense based on asso's. Scum!RC with town!ari doesn't make much sense because scum!RC would just lynch Ari and be done with it? Onto D2 and another attempt at mislynch?

Or is it actually town!RC that engaged with Ari and came to a town!Ari conclusion? I think this option exists.

I really wish people would stop saying scum RC doesn’t make sense with Scum Ari because Associatives. I’ve been looking at the same ones all game and it’s possible.
Scum RC with Town Ari resists to rebuild his cred then slanders me then lets me fall on my ass and then just takes over and wins.
Town RC that believes Ari is town doesn’t say Ari is scum at the start of open.

[Iconeum]

Gonna be honest here, I don't think scum!RC playes around my slot like he did at the end of D1.

He started scumreading me based on associative with 'obvscum TW', and if he is scum he knew that duck would flip town. That puts him in a bad spot to persue an Ico scumread later in the game, something that scum!RC is always gonna have in the back of his mind.
It actually felt like a natural associative read, on a dragon slot that was trying to derail 'his' wagon.

Unless RC goes full berserk again, I see no reason to lynch him today (sorry ducky). If RC goes anti-town, we lynch him.
But I think it's a bad D2 lynch.

If he's around on D3 we can consider his lynch, because of his claim and all. I'm sure that's reasonable to all parties, barring RC

[MathBlade]

I can see it onwards is pedit
in case that causes confusion

ot wanting to poke a gift horse in the mouth but

pedit:

I can see it

Ari/Tris/Plum is still the *obvious* answer

If the answer is “obvious” it doesn’t change.

Ergo Ari+RC cannot be TvT.

And quite frankly if I can’t get the scum we should have had day one you just remove the impediments.

Where’s a damn day vig when you need it?

[Iconeum]

I mean, Ari/Tris/Plum isn't that terrible of a solve at the time

[Iconeum]

But there's scumteams like (Flopz/teacher/Plum) for instance that are being handed the game right now

[Iconeum]

Spoiler: eulogy for a glass trombonist

Vote Count 1.23 (FINAL)

the worst

(7): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher

Aristophanes

(2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Why not lynch Ari today? The dude didn't even vote at the end of D1.

[MathBlade]

I mean, Ari/Tris/Plum isn't that terrible of a solve at the time

Except one that’s not a thing
Two if it was RC has no reason to be so obstinate and suck up to Skitter.
We’d all just agree to lynch Ari and be done with it.

I do not see any viable world in which Ari is town (and we win) but there are worlds where Plum is and there are a fuck ton with Tris.

And your other team is just no.
Ari would have been mislynched well before then same with TW or RC.
Those teams do not exist imho.

[Iconeum]

Math, if you had the power to lynch a player on the spot that could potentially solve the game for you. Who'd you lynch?

[MathBlade]

And from BBMolla and I paraphrase
Ari is still scum. 1000 posts in a single day like that’s unacceptable. He may be town but I’d literally just lynch him

[MathBlade]

Math, if you had the power to lynch a player on the spot that could potentially solve the game for you. Who'd you lynch?

Ari

[MathBlade]

But I would use that power 2 (earth) days from now to see how people react to this.

[Iconeum]

Then let's focus there. Even your team basicly says that RC is a policy lynch if I'm reading that right. I have a bad feeling about RC lynch. He also claimed a PR. We revisit him if he's alive D3.

What do you think of Floppy?

[MathBlade]

Then let's focus there. Even your team basicly says that RC is a policy lynch if I'm reading that right. I have a bad feeling about RC lynch. He also claimed a PR. We revisit him if he's alive D3.

What do you think of Floppy?

I would love to.

Any time I try RC brings someone else up.

I think we need an Ari wagon to sort a lot of people. Flopz is in a few worlds I am looking at.

The sad thing is the way day ended and this one began a lot of my reads are up in the air except Ari.

[MathBlade]

RC may be a policy lynch but if we can’t get who more than 50% of the game agrees on plus some damn good readers he’s not town in spirit anymore. I don’t care about what he wants I care about what we need.