Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:28 pm
I want him checked because I think he’s town and want him confirmed.
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:28 pm
If scum had a roleblocker, last night wouldn't have been a no kill.In post 3262, Titus wrote:If not mafia is indeed a weak hider and scum do indeed have a roleblocker, then Not Mafia's clears are not confirmed. However, unless the team is exactly Gamma + mastina (unlikely) then Gamma is certainly town. Scum would have had to roleblock not mafia both nights, but this doesn't explain the no kill. Scum wouldn't attempt to kill and block not mafia if they had indeed resolved he was a hider. He also would have died if he was roleblocked. So we can infer that if not mafia is a weak hider, then mastina is town. (if not mafia had been blocked {which is the only way he doesn't die if mastina is scum} then the scum kill goes through).
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:29 pm
But nm could also visit us as well. I would absolutely love that,
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:30 pm
Unless scum targeted him n1.In post 3264, Titus wrote:TLDR if not mafia is a weak hider then Gamma probtown mastina conftown even with the presence of a roleblocker.
He was awfully loud about "I'm targeting x" sing d1.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:30 pm
I think if jjh is confirmed town, it’s an autowin. Anyone disagree?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:31 pm
For the love of God NM...
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:33 pm
In post 3355, Moongrass wrote:For the love of God NM...
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:33 pm
Please check in {Titus, House, Hydra or me} it's a waste to check jjh.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:34 pm
I do think this will flip scum but honestly we needed the conversation time here and you take that away for the sake of your bit
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:34 pm
If cyrus is scum, it's usually an autowin.In post 3354, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:I think if jjh is confirmed town, it’s an autowin. Anyone disagree?
If cyrus is town, and jjh is town, it's not autowin but it's pretty close.
If the above is true, scum have to mislynch tomorrow and have not mafia incorrectly target scum tomorrow.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:34 pm
In post 3355, Moongrass wrote:For the love of God NM...
Do you disagree with this or not? We need him to be confirmed here.In post 3354, Mia and Maya Fey wrote:I think if jjh is confirmed town, it’s an autowin. Anyone disagree?
So I don’t understand why you have an issue with this?
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:35 pm
I'd actually advocate for NM checking the hydra. The goal is to remove the town from the theoretical scumpool to create an autowin, not kill not mafia.In post 3357, Moongrass wrote:Please check in {Titus, House, Hydra or me} it's a waste to check jjh.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:35 pm
In post 3268, jjh927 wrote:Titus, you're missing that I think scum would have made the assumption that NM was a weak hider or similar based on how telegraphed his targets were, and so if they wanted to remove him they would need to go for his target
Makes you think, doesn't it?In post 1995, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm targetting nomnomnomnom tonight
Granted N_M made more 'targeting' posts after that, butstill, it's at least possible scum thought he was a hider on nom.
For the record--I would explicitly expect that to make Titus be scum here as the players most likely to try and kill the hider hide target are imo most to least, Titus > House > Mia+Maya > Moongrass I guess >>>>>>> cyrus >>>>>> jjh. (I would expect jjh to not do so.)
Granted, I feel the need to specify:
I am deliberately avoiding PR speculation. I obviously have my thoughts on the subject, but it is explicitly anti-town to engage in this line of reasoning by and large.
By that I mean:
It is okay to say, "I believe that *lengthy speculation* is what the scumteam believed, and the scumteam believing *lengthy speculation*, took these actions."
It's not okay to speculate "I believe *lengthy speculation* is what has happened here", to give the scumteam any hints, if that makes sense.
Speculating what the scumteam was probably thinking is good; speculating what probably happened is bad because it can help the scumteam and doesn't really give us anything we don't already have right now.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:35 pm
Yeah, we totally choreographed that exchange.In post 3299, jjh927 wrote:I'm just rereading the fake guilty from House on Cyrus and I feel it looks really bad for both parties
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:36 pm
Is this a resignation or sarcasm?In post 3363, House wrote:Yeah, we totally choreographed that exchange.In post 3299, jjh927 wrote:I'm just rereading the fake guilty from House on Cyrus and I feel it looks really bad for both parties
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:37 pm
Ok fine check jjh, I just don't understand why he's scumread as broadly as he is. Hydra is fine, I'm fine.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:37 pm
In post 3363, House wrote:Yeah, we totally choreographed that exchange.In post 3299, jjh927 wrote:I'm just rereading the fake guilty from House on Cyrus and I feel it looks really bad for both parties
In post 3301, jjh927 wrote:Like, I'm sure House knows his way around scum theatre but I think Cyrus would fail the audition for background tree #5
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:38 pm
And why wouldn't I tell him to knock it off in scum chat instead of make a scene over it?In post 3303, Titus wrote:That would answer the whole sig bet thing. House would never approve that coming off from a ban but if it was just spontaneous from Cyrus, them's the breaks.In post 3301, jjh927 wrote:Like, I'm sure House knows his way around scum theatre but I think Cyrus would fail the audition for background tree #5
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:38 pm
Why is it a waste? A confitown jjh can help a town autowin more than any other player. And I agree with Titus that it’s optimal to confirm town and I really think my initial paranoia on jjh may have been wrongly founded because of Happy Face. I think scum!jjh would have stayed on Titus.In post 3357, Moongrass wrote:Please check in {Titus, House, Hydra or me} it's a waste to check jjh.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:39 pm
Make the best out of a bad situation.In post 3367, House wrote:And why wouldn't I tell him to knock it off in scum chat instead of make a scene over it?In post 3303, Titus wrote:That would answer the whole sig bet thing. House would never approve that coming off from a ban but if it was just spontaneous from Cyrus, them's the breaks.In post 3301, jjh927 wrote:Like, I'm sure House knows his way around scum theatre but I think Cyrus would fail the audition for background tree #5
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:39 pm
Also I am a NRG reviewer so I have a good understanding of what is Normal. (This game doesn't exactly apply for what'd be Balanced in a Normal, but if that were needed, I could give insight there, too, even tho I suspect it's less useful knowledge.)In post 3283, jjh927 wrote:Scum would target Mastina for a nightkill because Not Mafia said he would target her and scum had all the same reason you have right now to suspect he is a weak hider
Also, I can be an annoyingly persistent and stubborn voice of reason.
Also, I can actually be relied upon to do the deep delves into the most likely combos when push does come to shove, weighing the different possibilities and finding the ones that are most probable.
I wouldn't be surprised to be the nightkill if y'all flip cyrus and he ends up town, just as an insurance policy against me persuading you to make the actually better calls for the elimination.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:39 pm
In post 3365, Moongrass wrote:Ok fine check jjh, I just don't understand why he's scumread as broadly as he is. Hydra is fine, I'm fine.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:40 pm
If I had faked a guilty on a buddy, I wouldn't walk it back.In post 3308, jjh927 wrote:But seriously, House faked a tracker guilty on Cyrus, who reacts with a bit of nonsense and the assertion that it's a fake guilty without even considering that House could be scum OR claiming a role
How does that happen organically
I'd walk back the claim after the hammer and coast on the town cred.
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:40 pm
I'll compromise
If cyrus flips town, I'll check jjh
If cyrus flips scum, I'll check Feydra
If cyrus flips town, I'll check jjh
If cyrus flips scum, I'll check Feydra
Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:40 pm
I think we shouldn’t rush this day. I haven’t even eaten yet. And just kind of skimmed the 10+ pages and want to go over them more thoroughly later.In post 3358, jjh927 wrote:I do think this will flip scum but honestly we needed the conversation time here and you take that away for the sake of your bit