Main case on Trollie I see is that he's not dead despite his D1 softclaim. You could explain it away with the other claims up to a point, but it's starting to get a little zany, especially once you're reminded that his softclaim came out during a back-and-forth with SPB (i.e., so it's unlikely scum would miss/forget it).
The back-and-forth itself didn't look faked to me, though, so I don't think SPB and Trollie are scum together. I like your case on Zoidberg better. Trollie could be the SK possibly, but I'd rather deal with someone who's more likely to be mafia unless the SK is way disproportionately probable.
Softclaim was because at the time I thought I could confirm as town, but then I found the wiki article for Fruit Vendor which is my role, so all I can claim is not-governor, not-blocker, etc.
I want flavor and details.
Read my sig!
Rolename is Brett Favre, I'm the greatest quarterback of all time, and my power (which apparently sends ASCII dicks) is called Dicktext, in what I assume is a reference to a controversy where Favre was dicktexting cheerleaders or something (I don't follow gridiron football). I was only told that the target would receive a dicktext, nothing more specific than that. Not sure how much else I'm allowed to say. Favre was presented as an in-the-closet sex hound who used to send out dick texts to women he wanted to sleep with but it's mostly dudes at this party so I just send out pics of my dick to people in hopes of a win because being fellated by a man is totally not gay or anything.
↑DrippingGoofball wrote:Zoidberg fails to list his night targets with his Fruit Vendor claim.
BAD SIGN
Huehuehue, are you trying to imply you don't believe the claim which you already accepted in a previous post? Please.
What possible use would there have been to waste my vacation time and mobile bandwidth sifting through my pm inbox on my phone? You yourself already confirmed twice in thread that my power does what I say it does.
Dicktexts sent in the following order, starting N1:
Ythan
Buttonmen
DGB
P-dra
Vollkan
So tell me, DGB, my power was previously confirmed by you and by vollkan.
Why is not listing night targets bad if my role is already confirmed?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:17 am
by dramonic
... Because it's withholding information.
Like... are you actually asking this question?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:19 am
by Zoidberg
Oh yes, the "zoidberg is so bad" attack.
Hmm who are the players that tried it in this game already? Wyrd and Ythan to name 2.
What part of "role is confirmed" don't you understand?
What part of "withholding information" or, say, "mafia scribe" do you not understand?
See, here's why your argument is bogus:
THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO DECIDE IF MY CLAIM IS LEGIT OR NOT IS ALREADY OUT THERE. I WAS ALREADY ROLE CONFIRMED BY 2 PEOPLE.
Continuing to harp on about "withholding information" is a convenient way to pretend to scumhunt.
Also there's nothing on the wiki about Scribe as a role so I have no opinion on it because I've never heard of it.
It's not an attack it's an observation.
Yeah, an observation tailored such that you can brush someone off as being "lolbad" without actually having to respond to anything they've said.[/quote]
What part of "role is confirmed" don't you understand?
What part of "withholding information" or, say, "mafia scribe" do you not understand?
See, here's why your argument is bogus:
THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO DECIDE IF MY CLAIM IS LEGIT OR NOT IS ALREADY OUT THERE. I WAS ALREADY ROLE CONFIRMED BY 2 PEOPLE.
Continuing to harp on about "withholding information" is a convenient way to pretend to scumhunt.
Also there's nothing on the wiki about Scribe as a role so I have no opinion on it because I've never heard of it.
It's not an attack it's an observation.
Yeah, an observation tailored such that you can brush someone off as being "lolbad" without actually having to respond to anything they've said.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:49 am
by Iecerint
Zoidberg, the case on you is related mainly to your interactions with known scum -- not whether you have sent dick pics successfully in the past.
Whether you sent dick pics is mostly unrelated to your alignment (though it does show you probably didn't submit a kill those nights).
I don't know what a Mafia Scribe is tbh, and I can't find it on the wiki. I assume they're scum who send messages at night?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:52 am
by dramonic
↑Zoidberg wrote:See, here's why your argument is bogus:
THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO DECIDE IF MY CLAIM IS LEGIT OR NOT IS ALREADY OUT THERE. I WAS ALREADY ROLE CONFIRMED BY 2 PEOPLE.
Continuing to harp on about "withholding information" is a convenient way to pretend to scumhunt.
That's just as stupid as saying "I claim roleblocker, you got roleblocked N1 and he got roleblocked N3, therefore I dont need to tell you who I targetted N2, 4 and 5.
Information is being withheld, even if you're "confirmed"
I'm not trying to scumhunt here?
Also there's nothing on the wiki about Scribe as a role so I have no opinion on it because I've never heard of it.
Can send an anonymous message to someone each night. Also it's a scum role.
Yeah, an observation tailored such that you can brush someone off as being "lolbad" without actually having to respond to anything they've said.
↑Iecerint wrote:Zoidberg, the case on you is related mainly to your interactions with known scum -- not whether you have sent dick pics successfully in the past.
And yet, DGB and Dramonic are posting "omg he didn't fully claim night actions even though his role is confirmed and useless, this is SO BAD"
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:13 pm
by Zoidberg
↑dramonic wrote:That's just as stupid as saying "I claim roleblocker, you got roleblocked N1 and he got roleblocked N3, therefore I dont need to tell you who I targetted N2, 4 and 5.
Information is being withheld, even if you're "confirmed"
No, the difference is that roleblocker actually has an effect on the game. Fruit Vendor by definition does not.
Yeah, an observation tailored such that you can brush someone off as being "lolbad" without actually having to respond to anything they've said.
Have you even said anything of minimal interest?[/quote]More of the same.
Ythan because I didn't know what my role did and was hoping something bad would happen to him. It was a theme game so I figured it was one of those "you find out you're a vig when your targets keep dying" scenarios.
Remaining ones were players I thought were pro-town AND reasonably likely to survive the night.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:20 pm
by Iecerint
It could be that you were paranoid that someone has a problematic track on you some day or other, so you were leaving open a back-door to explain any weirdness that people challenged you with.
You can almost always come up with a reason why vagueness might benefit scum, but it's rarer that it's clear why vagueness would benefit town.
Pedit: Why did you think Vollkan was pro-town? O.o
↑dramonic wrote:That's just as stupid as saying "I claim roleblocker, you got roleblocked N1 and he got roleblocked N3, therefore I dont need to tell you who I targetted N2, 4 and 5.
Information is being withheld, even if you're "confirmed"
No, the difference is that roleblocker actually has an effect on the game. Fruit Vendor by definition does not.
Action interaction means anything you do that produces a result of some kind is a source of information, even if the individual action does seemingly nothing.
Why is this so hard to understand.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:31 pm
by Zoidberg
↑Iecerint wrote:It could be that you were paranoid that someone has a problematic track on you some day or other, so you were leaving open a back-door to explain any weirdness that people challenged you with.
You can almost always come up with a reason why vagueness might benefit scum, but it's rarer that it's clear why vagueness would benefit town.
FFS, I never said it was beneficial to town
Pedit: Why did you think Vollkan was pro-town? O.o
Early game I thought he was goodposting. I stopped looking at him closely as the game went on.
↑dramonic wrote:That's just as stupid as saying "I claim roleblocker, you got roleblocked N1 and he got roleblocked N3, therefore I dont need to tell you who I targetted N2, 4 and 5.
Information is being withheld, even if you're "confirmed"
No, the difference is that roleblocker actually has an effect on the game. Fruit Vendor by definition does not.
Action interaction means anything you do that produces a result of some kind is a source of information, even if the individual action does seemingly nothing.
Why is this so hard to understand.
Bitch all you want. The facts are that my role was already confirmed. I was V/LA.
I had 5 spare minutes, you think I'm going to waste my time digging through my inbox on my phone? Nope. I'd do it again, too.
This entire line of argument is borderline retarded and your insistence on pursuing it even though you know I'm right is just a smoke screen so you don't have to do any real analysis.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:43 pm
by DrippingGoofball
↑Zoidberg wrote:Ythan because I didn't know what my role did and was hoping something bad would happen to him. It was a theme game so I figured it was one of those "you find out you're a vig when your targets keep dying" scenarios.
Or maybe because you wanted to test it on a buddy first, who could report to you?
What about all the other targets?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:46 pm
by DrippingGoofball
I'm asking because I don't remember you finding me all that "pro-town."
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:46 pm
by Iecerint
Did Ythan ever claim receiving it? I don't see anything via quick iso.
I know some other players claimed receiving it.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:50 pm
by DrippingGoofball
TBM was your Night 2 choice, right?
↑Zoidberg wrote:Also you're going to have to do better than "Buttons is town because gut." DGB's right; he's been super useless this game.
