A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[pistachi0n]

All of us are scumreading each other, how are these your scumreads together? Do you think it's some elaborate 3-way bus or something?

I don't think all three of you are scum (at least not in the same faction, we haven't ruled out multiball or an SK) at the same time but I think there is at least one scum within the three of you and possibly a 2-way bus.

[Dwlee99]

I'm fine with Cakez, Skybird, and Mirhawk--not Mala or anybody else.

All of us are scumreading each other, how are these your scumreads together? Do you think it's some elaborate 3-way bus or something?

you not signing your posts is scummy asd fuck. Almost likr you are trying to avoid meta tells.

Dwlee this is really bad.

Pied Piper feels like Ranger 2.0 again. I'm getting the same gut town feelings, the same feeling of scum piling on for weak reasons, the same counterwagon to Mirhawk. I can also towncase them like Ranger but it's more gut then Ranger was due to the large amount of just words in their posts. I'd really rather not lynch PP today.

I have seen.multiple.times.ranger was a deadline.lynch. But just ugh their slot bothers me so much I.know I am on.to.something, cake.

[SirCakez]

Can you talk to me about what bothers you so much about them?

[Dwlee99]

The way they talk to me. It is like they know I am town but refuse to give any read on me.

[pistachi0n]

The way they talk to me. It is like they know I am town but refuse to give any read on me.

But the slot seems skilled enough to be able to fabricate a reason for a townread if they were scum.

[Mirhawk]

Cool stuff goin down.

[Mirhawk]

We're going in circles on this, I don't think my involvement was ridiculously low nor was I there because it was easy.

Your involvement wasn't low, that's why I have trouble believing you couldn't engage your top scumread.

[Dwlee99]

The way they talk to me. It is like they know I am town but refuse to give any read on me.

But the slot seems skilled enough to be able to fabricate a reason for a townread if they were scum.

what is the town motivation for not posting the read?

It's like saying that an experienced player blatantly omgusing isnt scummy because "they're too good to do that as scum" lol k

[Friendless Seniors]

dwlee is right except the signing post thing

we don't sign our posts so idk what hes on about

(also nacho is handsome enough he doesn't need to sign for me to tell whos who

[Mirhawk]

Gah, stop making me post. I got places to be.

You and podo did not have the same case.

Your case relied on me knowing Ami's claim was false from the start. Which was impossible unless I was scum with Ami (which you weren't saying).

Podo's case was that I knew they were both town and was trying to get towncred (or something like that). I'd have to go back and look for the exact reason for podo's case, but it was definitely different.

You're messing up the logic.

The issue we both had was with your knowledge that the claim was false. That knowledge, logically, in both our cases, came from you being scum. As scum, you would know that Ami was town, and could logically deduct that it was unlikely there were two millers, therefore you knew the claim was false.

That is identical in both our posts. You simply misunderstood my original post, and missed how I never said you knew that from firsthand knowledge, but instead said it was simply a reasonable conclusion for scum to draw.

I, too, would need to go back and reread them to remember what the exact differences were from that point forward, but I definitely remember being extremely irritated when you accepted podoboq's reasons as perfectly fine, when they were in fact identical to mine at their root.

That's something very irritating to me in general.

Anyways. Go off and do your things. You misrepresenting/misunderstanding what I said has been handled for now.

I don't think you understand the nature of my issue with your original case. I don't really care anymore at this point anyhow, so go on believing that if you wish.

For the record, I view the two arguments as different. If you think your position was the same, then you failed to convey it as such.

[Dwlee99]

dwlee is right except the signing post thing

we don't sign our posts so idk what hes on about

(also nacho is handsome enough he doesn't need to sign for me to tell whos who

i just assume all posts from your hydra is from hiplop so yea

[pistachi0n]

Also, it seems like all TPP is saying about dwlee anyway is that he hasn't done anything alignment indicative yet.

[Mirhawk]

@Cerb the jist of it is that his later day pushes by deadline doesn't feel like town especially given that he just abandons his Dav push. His early day is all just 'dav is scum dav is scum dav is scum' he votes pistach, and then goes back to dav after the whole Amiham slip thing. Then deadline hits and in short succession he calls ranger, Cakez, Skybird, all scum based on which one is the most popular at the time and never even mentions Dav again in any sort of negative light for the rest of the game. I don't understand why a town player would ever think that he has a clear caught scum, and then give it up not only due to deadline panic, but then the next day he completely forgets that this player was ever considered scummy by him. It is something I have done as scum by accident, but I can't ever imagine as town just giving up on a scum push that I was death tunneling because meh. Like he never actually says that Cakez is worse than dav or anything like that, he just seems to forget that Dav is even in the game after his last case against him.

Full disclosure I was hoping for worse answer from him regarding dav but the answers he gave don't invalidate my case at all imo. Its a bit complicated and I'm on a phone so the full thing will appear later tonight.

Could you misrepresent me harder in this post?

My push on Dav was more or less ignored by the rest of town. The most it ever garnered was that it was a waste of time because apparently that's just how Dav plays. When I unvoted Dav I made it perfectly clear it was because the lack of interest from the rest of town.

I developed now reads and those eclipsed my old one in terms of importance to me. How on earth is that hard to believe. Why would I go back to my Dav read when it is the weakest of all my reads.

Would it have been more town of me to not change my vote at all despite the obvious fact that nobody at all agreed with me? Your entire argument feels ridiculous from my side, I feel like your accusing me on apparently not being a robot because changing priorities is apparently not a thing I'm allowed to do.

That last bit also makes your whole argument look terrible by the way. It's like your admitting to some kind of purposeful conformation bias line of questioning or something. What were you expecting me to say that would have looked so bad? That I dropped my Dav read because he was too hard to mislynch?

[Mirhawk]

Holy shit. That makes perfect sense. Are you voting him yet? Cause I am now.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Cerberus, I'm not really scumreading you. But this couldn't sound more fake if you tried.

fyi

[Mirhawk]

Yeah. You explained what scum motivation there would be for his behavior, why I explained why his knowledge of their claim being fake made sense if he were scum. I started earlier in the logical path, and you ended at a later point, basically. The most important part of the whole thing was the same for both of us.

It's not a very significant thing to still be talking about thiugh, and I don't see how Mirhawk could seriously be trying to use the fact that Cakez didn't elaborate more on something that, from the looks of it, only Mirhawk failed to understand, against cakez.

Dude don't even. I understood the arguments you actually made perfectly fine. It wasn't my job to make the intuitive leaps that Podo made for you, that was your responsibility.

[Mirhawk]

Mirhawk, one of the reasons you wanted to lynch Ranger was because Ranger thought I was town and defended me. You also said that you would use the Ranger flip to figure me out. (post 2305) Ranger flipped town. And yet, you are still scum reading me. I don't see the logic there. You pushed for a mislynch and now you are pushing for a second one.

That's a nice try but I was scumreading you before I even developed a read on Ranger.

The post which you're talking about says that I was looking for Ranger's flip to further validate the position I already had.

[Dwlee99]

Also, it seems like all TPP is saying about dwlee anyway is that he hasn't done anything alignment indicative yet.

but I have..

[pistachi0n]

Also, it seems like all TPP is saying about dwlee anyway is that he hasn't done anything alignment indicative yet.

but I have..

That's not what I'm saying, that's what TPP is saying. Which is different from townreading you and not giving a reason.

[Mirhawk]

And pushing, in turn, seemingly indiscriminately, every single person who looked even slightly viable as a lynch.

And pushing in turn actual scumreads.

You and pip are pretending I jumped suddenly on skybird right before the deadline, when I actually changed to her a week beforehand. I had expressed concern over her behavior several times before that as well. It's also not like i wasn't involved on the wagon that built on Ranger. Most of the original case on her was brought up by me.

The only vote that wasn't Telegraphed ahead of time was Cakez, and that one was in response to Spiffah asking me about him.

[Mirhawk]

I mean, he does seem to have very good recall about all the events of this game. Why would he forget his Dave read, when he remembers everything else?

Why do you keep saying I forgot it. I didn't, it just became less important. I knew exactly where I left it.

[Mirhawk]

completely dropping your top scum read for absolutely no reason is COMPLETELY NAI.

Untrue? I mean have you ever actually gone back and read this yourself or are you just being pip's mouthpiece here.

[Mirhawk]

The cases of Sky and TPP are weak af. Either might be scum but if they flip scum its cause town got lucky and RNGed a scum flip.

Do you even know why I'm voting Skybird?

[Mirhawk]

Also given that Mirhawk pulled the BS fruitvendors mean that FS is confirmed BS and FS is pulling this BS with Mir right now if nothing else make sure one of them flips soon this game cause that could just solve the game.

Do you HAVE to misrepresent every single thing in your case or something?

I've explicitly stated multiple times that I was townreading seniors well in advance of his claim.

Beeboy actually had a lot of town capital accumulated with me. It's like you're on some kind of mission to burn it up as fast as possible.

[Axelrod]

Skybird's D2 is a lot like her D1. I'm not going to post a whole thing on it. I support this.

Vote: Skybird

Unofficial Vote Count:

Skybird: Marquis, podoboq, The Pied Piper, Malakittens, Mirhawk, Axelrod (6)
The Pied Piper: Friendless Seniors, Dwlee99, dramonic, davesaz (4)
SirCakez: pistachi0n, tictac, Skybird (3)
Mirhawk: itlepip, Cerberus v666, SirCakez (3)
Malakittens: True Ogre (1)

[SirCakez]

Holy shit. That makes perfect sense. Are you voting him yet? Cause I am now.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Cerberus, I'm not really scumreading you. But this couldn't sound more fake if you tried.

fyi

And pushing, in turn, seemingly indiscriminately, every single person who looked even slightly viable as a lynch.

And pushing in turn actual scumreads.

You and pip are pretending I jumped suddenly on skybird right before the deadline, when I actually changed to her a week beforehand. I had expressed concern over her behavior several times before that as well. It's also not like i wasn't involved on the wagon that built on Ranger. Most of the original case on her was brought up by me.

The only vote that wasn't Telegraphed ahead of time was Cakez, and that one was in response to Spiffah asking me about him.

Also given that Mirhawk pulled the BS fruitvendors mean that FS is confirmed BS and FS is pulling this BS with Mir right now if nothing else make sure one of them flips soon this game cause that could just solve the game.

Do you HAVE to misrepresent every single thing in your case or something?

I've explicitly stated multiple times that I was townreading seniors well in advance of his claim.

Beeboy actually had a lot of town capital accumulated with me. It's like you're on some kind of mission to burn it up as fast as possible.

Mirhawk keeps developing scumreads on whoever pushes on him which is pretty ridiculous. All of the scum wouldn't just gang up on you and start attacking you, so this is pretty bad.