In post 3332, jjh927 wrote:You've read the recent pages and don't think that's town!Titus?
Everyone looks town to me, jjh. Titus included. I have to approach things from a more logical objective standpoint: two players who look like they are town, aren't actually town.
When it comes to two players that are looking town but aren't actually town, that means I have to look at what they are doing. The interactions between the slots, along with what their interactions are accomplishing. The normal "this looks like them as town" isn't good enough, because everyone looks like town to me with reasonably compelling reasons for that to be the case.
I can write a towncase on Titus and yes, Titus's more recent posting would be among it, sure.
But I can write a towncase on House.
I can write a towncase on cyrus.
I can write a towncase on Moongrass.
The hardest towncase to write would be Mia and Maya Fey surprisingly enough, but while I might have the most issue in writing a towncase for them, I also have the hardest time slotting them into most scumteams so in that sense there's a decent towncase for them, too.
Two players who I can write a towncase on because they look like town, aren't actually town and are scum.
And when it comes to looking at the deeper level at interactions and motives.
cyrus doesn't fit the scum profile nearly as well--specifically because he's, so to speak, n00bscum (not newbscum). I realize that you think he just looks like obvscum and that n00bscum that looks like obvscum would just be scum...but I actually don't think he DOES look like obvscum. There's actually a fair amount of nuance in his thought process and it feels like for cyrus to be scum, you both need to give him less credit than he deserves AND more credit than he deserves. I don't really have a way to explain that, unfortunately, but for cyrus to be scum it both feels like he must be literally the worst scum player and yet also literally be pulling off subtle nuanced scum plays that are of a much higher caliber and that you can't have him be both but for him to be scum requires him to be both.
It's not impossible for him to be scum, but it doesn't seem to fit nearly as well especially given overall interactions from other players.
Titus however, when you get past her play looking like town-Titus (which it does), and you look more into what she's doing and the motives for it, does fit as scum quite well. That's not a guarantee that she's scum, but she definitely fits as scum, especially since there's one thing from Titus that I'd expect to see from her if she were town that I'm not seeing. She seems unusually survivalistic and unusually not-fatalistic. Her content looks like her towngame, yes, but deeper down she doesn't feel town to me on a fundamental level.
House's early play looked quite town, but similarly, his later play looks less motivated by "solving the game" and more motivated by "okay I need to troubleshoot how to get to a workable endgame here". He still looks town by play, but the things he is doing look like they are motivated by being scum. It is possible that he is passionate town that is strongly opinionated, but to me he actually looks like he is trying to steer the gamestate in a direction where he has a chance to endgame, and is highly performative.
Moongrass just feels town on every level to me, almost as much as you do, jjh.
Mia and Maya Fey are surprisingly silent all things considered, which is a bit of a concern. But while it is a bit of a concern given the players involved should be more active and involved, it's less damning imo than it could be because while they're not being active, that also means they're not trying to steer the gamestate in a direction that gives scum a possible win.
I realize these are scattered, not satisfactory, notes on where I am right now but I really think that a Titus elimination into a House elimination gives us the best chance at winning here, because while everyone looks town by play, two players must be scum and when I look at the deeper levels, the players who have the highest chances of being scum who look town are Titus and House with the most realistic of scumteam combos between them.
