with 6 alive, it takes 4 to sqump. day 4 starts now and ends in (expired on 2021-09-19 18:05:00)
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
by Dwlee99
Did scum just not have pain potions lol
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:10 pm
by Datisi
okay so during the night i actually bothered to open gcb's iso and retti did indeed say dwlee/rce are never partners so i will be sheeping that
do we claim actions or just yeet
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:16 pm
by Aristeia
I am town
I used a poison potion on norwee
he will be confscum after I flip town
VOTE: Aristeia
yeet me today and poison norwe in the night.
I will vote myself so Datisi doesn't have to.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:23 pm
by Datisi
i absolutely do not believe norwee was bussing yesterday
and while i know there's nothing that scum!aristeia could possibly be doing differently in this situation, i still feel... bad? idunno. maybe scared she's actually green. but surely not... surely that wasn't a bus.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:23 pm
by Dwlee99
If scum didn't have pain potions then quickhammers weren't going to happen yesterday, meaning your flip wouldn't confirm norwee anything.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:30 pm
by Datisi
has it been confirmed that it has to be parity at daystart and not at nightstart? i still didn't quite get schadd's explanation
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:46 pm
by Dwlee99
Ari said night would have happened. RCE had one pain damage done to him already. I think that scum can't quick hammer there because if they had RCE dies and we have no guarantee that scum had enough pain potions to make a kill happen (it's also possible they wouldn't want to risk the person they targeted being jailkept/doctored.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:55 pm
by mastina
So at this stage, possible scumteams:
RCE-Norwee-T3: kinda hard to understand why they would commit to such strong hard bussing tho.
RCE-Norwee-Dwlee: Why didn't scum hammer Aristeia when T3 voted there? Seems questionable.
RCE-Norwee-Datisi: Same issue, why didn't scum hammer Aristeia when T3 voted there? Also runs into the nigh-impossibility of Norwee + Datisi as a scumteam. Of all the possible scumteams, this is the one least likely imo and the one I am most ruling out.
RCE-Norwee-Aristeia: kinda hard to understand why they would commit to such strong hard bussing tho. Is even more hard-bussing than RCE-Norwee-T3 would be.
RCE-Aristeia-T3: possible, although it requires T3 to have been bussing both of his partners yesterday.
RCE-Aristeia-Dwlee: Possible, although it requires Dwlee to have hammered RCE and to have voted RCE in prior day phases.
RCE-Aristeia-Datisi: Possible, literally the only piece of evidence against this is that Datisi's posts look town. Nothing in the slots' associatives suggests he can't be scum with either of them. (At least to my memory.)
RCE-Datisi-T3: Why didn't scum hammer Norwee? They had every opportunity to.
RCE-Datisi-Dwlee: Why didn't scum hammer Norwee? They had every opportunity to. They could have also hammered Aristeia, too, as Norwee's vote was on her for a long long time.
RCE-Dwlee-T3: Why didn't scum hammer Norwee? They had every opportunity to. They could have also hammered Aristeia, too, as Norwee's vote was on her for a long long time.
So removing the scumteams that are basically impossible due to requiring gamethrowing, we're left with:
RCE-Norwee-T3: kinda hard to understand why they would commit to such strong hard bussing tho.
RCE-Norwee-Aristeia: kinda hard to understand why they would commit to such strong hard bussing tho. Is even more hard-bussing than RCE-Norwee-T3 would be.
RCE-Aristeia-T3: possible, although it requires T3 to have been bussing both of his partners yesterday.
RCE-Aristeia-Dwlee: Possible, although it requires Dwlee to have hammered RCE and to have voted RCE in prior day phases.
RCE-Aristeia-Datisi: Possible, literally the only piece of evidence against this is that Datisi's posts look town. Nothing in the slots' associatives suggests he can't be scum with either of them. (At least to my memory.)
Literally the ONLY scumteam without Aristeia is RCE-Norwee-T3, a scumteam that requires T3 to have bussed, RCE and Norwee to have cross-bussed, and also for Norwee to have bussed the RCE slot and then doing it again D2.
Suffice to say: is quite unlikely for Aristeia to be town here.
Not voting tho as I want time not only for action coordination but also to make sure the RCE-Norwee-T3 scumteam does in fact not hold weight.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:56 pm
by Datisi
maybe it doesn't actually matter
i don't think norwee or you make sense as rce partners, and by now i believe mastina is out of her scumrange, so
ari flipping green would mean that i'm wrong on something of the above, but in that universe i think we just lose anyway since i don't think i win the fight with any scum in that group, if i figured out who it is in the first place
is there a point in massclaiming last night's actions and new potions in order to try to break this game mechanically? i forget what the odds are for scum to have a lot of dmp's, which is something that would potentially screw us over, but if there's a way to clear out both me and t3 in one night, that might be preferable assuming we don't misflip today
actually scum can't use more than one pain potion even with dmp
someone smarter than me figure this out pls, i need to sleep
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:58 pm
by Dwlee99
In post 3391, mastina wrote:RCE-Aristeia-Dwlee: Possible, although it requires Dwlee to have hammered RCE and to have voted RCE in prior day phases.
This should be ruled out seeing that I was begging people to vote RCE or Emperor day 2. I don't think I have the guts to bus like that.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:02 pm
by Datisi
In post 3391, mastina wrote:RCE-Aristeia-T3: possible, although it requires T3 to have been bussing both of his partners yesterday.
ding ding ding
i will repeat what i said yesterday - t3 drew away from rce on d2 as much as possible, plopped a vote on him as soon as he saw norwee was serious about murdering rce om d3, did nothing to actually push rce through, and did the still unexplained 180 on our slot that he tried to bury as poe or something. there was a bus vote yesterday, and this absolutely fits the picture. i can go in detail with relevant posts tomorrow if needed.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:03 pm
by Dwlee99
The issue with t3 imo is how he tried to setup a future datisi/me 1v1.
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:04 pm
by Datisi
i vaguely remember that but also not really, could you link it?
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 1:07 pm
by T3
I didn't
also i harmod ari to see if i could confirm someone's action, got no result