Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Cutty Shark]

I'd more easily consider Jiffy as SK than Mafia. AK's still my favorite for not-town mainly because I can see him in either spot. I haven't ruled out Oka and I don't know that I ultimately can based on his play.

If you think Jiffy's the better option ultimately (and not just because you have decided you want groupscum and not sk dead) then let's talk about why

I think F-16's analysis has at least made me feel considerably better on Nashville and I want to make sure they've worked out the camera thing before we go to night

-b

[fferyllt]

I think if the sk were some sort of neutral party or had a wincon that was vaguely town compatible today would have been the day to out that.

It hasn't been, and ultimately that makes prioritizing one over the other less of a concern to me.

[Cutty Shark]

a wincon that was vaguely town compatible today

I was also hopeful about this at daystart, but yes it became quickly fairly clear that this wasn't going to happen. I'd have given a neutral claim today a pass if it had happened at massclaim. I was even soliciting it at the time.

-b

[OkaPoka]

There is one bastard mechanic.

Anyone wanna take guesses?

[Cutty Shark]

-This game is highly experimental and I reserve the right to change the way certain actions in the game will be interpreted to maximize fun and balance.

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Although I think we may have waved bye-bye to maximizing balance at the start of the game

But I'll wait till we actually flip with 9-3-SK and the SK isn't just some bullshit benign third-party that for whatever reason has no reason to claim yet before I start super-bitching.

Still want to know why the fuck anyone killed Lissa because it

may

be setup related, I just have no way to predict how.

-b

[OkaPoka]

I think sk was trying to crosskill?

[Cutty Shark]

How do you know? If the SK is Majiffy that is 100% not the case; a Majiffy SK has a 0% scumread on Lissa after Baboon flips scum for obvious reasons.

I guess that's my biggest issue is that I have a hard time seeing anyone think Lissa is on the short list for Mafia after that Baboon flip that day.
AK actually fits that narrative the best since he went right after Majiffy at daystart, meaning he was willing to consider 2 groupscum in that hood already

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Effort.

3 days left, game on the line
Thanks for replacing in

You'd prefer a modkilled slot at MYLO/LYLO?

This post looked moderately town to me. I don't think scum-him would've been thinking along these lines, because a modkilled slot of that alignment is exactly what we would've wanted.

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

Cutty is there any chance of you lynching someone besides me today? because that's a bad lynch

[Cutty Shark]

If my comprehension of the gamestate changes in a manner in which that I no longer think that you're the best pick for scum, then yes. That has not happened up to this point

-b

[Cutty Shark]

So your scumpile is anatole and oka?

Were you ultimately going somewhere with this? I didn't expect this convo to suddenly peter out

-b

[fferyllt]

I thought maybe you were saying 5-off/majiffy town there, which seemed like a new idea. your clarification resolved that.

[Cutty Shark]

5-off/majiffy town there

On some level I actually do feel like this.

-b

[fferyllt]

5-off/majiffy town there

On some level I actually do feel like this.

-b

what gives you that feel as opposed to a not-group-scum feel?

[Cutty Shark]

Obviously relational tells don't come into play here, but:

1) General acerbity that I have come to associate with his towngame is present
2) Quickness of countermanding what 5-off had claimed about the slot along with post 3308 I think point to town and not just 'not groupscum'
3) Seems to actually be interested in narrowing the lynch pool where I would expect an SK to possibly go with the flow on a day like today where lynching anybody but him is generally good

I asked you why you thought Majiffy was head and shoulders better than Anatole today, and I would like you to talk about that now.
You still think Majiffy is groupscum, no?

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Something about this setup still seems fucking off to me

9v3v1 and our power is essentially a BP, two masons and a tracker-inventor. My power is pretty irrelevant. That's not balanced. That's a lot of fucking correct lynches we need to get.

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Cutty is there any chance of you lynching someone besides me today? because that's a bad lynch

And I don't know what you expect me to do with what you've put forward as to how it's supposed to change my opinion on anything if that's truly what you're after: you've basically got a conclusion that I am having difficulty empathizing with because of PoE (which is worthless for me since you are not coming at this from the same PoE I am) and have basically stopped there and repeated your Jiffy/Oka mantra the entire time.

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

Cutty is there any chance of you lynching someone besides me today? because that's a bad lynch

And I don't know what you expect me to do with what you've put forward as to how it's supposed to change my opinion on anything if that's truly what you're after: you've basically got a conclusion that I am having difficulty empathizing with because of PoE (which is worthless for me since you are not coming at this from the same PoE I am) and have basically stopped there and repeated your Jiffy/Oka mantra the entire time.

-b

I also have a role that has been known since day 1 or 2 that makes a lot of sense in the set-up despite your frequent comments that it doesn't.

Something about this setup still seems fucking off to me

9v3v1 and our power is essentially a BP, two masons and a tracker-inventor. My power is pretty irrelevant. That's not balanced. That's a lot of fucking correct lynches we need to get.

-b

Add a vig to that.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Cutty is there any chance of you lynching someone besides me today? because that's a bad lynch

And I don't know what you expect me to do with what you've put forward as to how it's supposed to change my opinion on anything if that's truly what you're after: you've basically got a conclusion that I am having difficulty empathizing with because of PoE (which is worthless for me since you are not coming at this from the same PoE I am) and have basically stopped there and repeated your Jiffy/Oka mantra the entire time.

-b

I've read the game. There's nothing real convincing for either player because 5-off has barely done shit for days and Oka/csareo have just been spewing nonsense the whole game. At some point you have to accept that there are going to be players you feel are town and PoE them out because there's no real convincing hard evidence. I'm doing that for you and Nash because it makes more sense to me that you guys are town.

I get that I'm not coming at this from the same PoE as you but I don't have anything else to add other than you've just got to trust that I've tried at every point in this game to prove my role and hunt scum. You keep saying that my role doesn't fit the setup then you say town is weak PR wise. I lynch two scum and you say it's bussing.

I don't know what else you want me to do.

[Cutty Shark]

I also have a role that has been known since day 1 or 2 that makes a lot of sense in the set-up despite your frequent comments that it doesn't.

Ok, how does your role make sense in a mini two other kills per night that aren't from you

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

Game Specific Rules

Discretion

-This game is highly experimental and I reserve the right to change the way certain actions in the game will be interpreted to maximize fun and balance.

[fferyllt]

you're putting an awful lot of weight on "interpreted"

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm putting the weight on experimental.

[Anatole Kuragin]

In all likelihood it's a one shot vig and the item gets broken by the powers of deus ex machina or something.