Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

[Mathdino]

sheep doesn't self-hammer as a mafia PR IMO. He's probably a goon.

[Katyusha]

Idk man you're still buying into this "correct reads = town and bad reads = scum".

huh

[humaneatingmonkey]

ohh boy someone pocketed me

[Not_Mafia]

Scum tend to interact with partners who are playing and partners who aren't

[Not_Mafia]

differently

[Mathdino]

Taking a potshot and just gonna say that N_M helped scum wincon more than Rem did *shrug*

It's pretty standard from what I see of scum-N_M tbh.

Why is that a potshot if I'm scum?

It's just one of those things that is pretty obvious from my point of view and thus doesn't really hold THAT much sway given that my job is noticing all the reasons you're scum.

Still works tho. You pushed town significantly more than I expect of town-you.

But like. I have to say that anyway as either alignment.

LyLo is useless tbh

Edit: You and Rem were similarly not playing, N_M. sheep chose to come up with reasons for townreading Rem, he chose to have a trajectory on her slot. He had 0 trajectory on yours.

[humaneatingmonkey]

I honestly don't remember where exactly my read was, I wanted to lynch Hopkirk that day but wanted to see the results of a Seph wagon, I think I had Seph as a scum lean and then he self hammered

oh boy oh boy

[humaneatingmonkey]

Rem has been an empty slot all game. It's hard to come up with a read one way or another - we're relying entirely on n_m here who, if scum, played a relatively townie game early on but it's still possible to sell it as scum.

D1 she pushed a pretty reasonable case on Intern as the "active lurker following town consensus" and even compared it to n_m's iso which she thought was transparently town. After intern's claim though she kind of died down and had weird reads. No update D2 or D3.

I guess you could argue that sheep's interaction calling it a "really genuine entrance" means something but i think that was more following consensus

Idk man you're still buying into this "correct reads = town and bad reads = scum". Like, glad it helps my slot, but Hopkirk has had reasonably accurate reads in that he's been going after sheep all game and he's scum so.

oh booooymmmmm

[Mathdino]

sheep-scum is significantly better at defending town than he is at defending scum. He's confbiased by knowing people are town already.

With townreading his scumbuddies he finds it harder to come up with reasons I think. But he doesn't wanna full-on bus so he kinda just ignores having to read them.

[Katyusha]

You and Rem were similarly not playing, N_M.

this is flat out not true

pedit: yeah thats what im starting to see looking at the iso for myself

[humaneatingmonkey]

this game is hard!

[Katyusha]

this game is hard!

sure is buddy!

really though do you think im stupid when i say i dont think hopkirk obsesses over an intern lynch and hurls intern into his scumteam with me in it when scum!rem is the frontrunner of that read?

[Mathdino]

What I mean is that from sheep's standpoint Rem and N_M were similarly practically unreadable. N_M doesn't play the game like most people so he ends up being this weird unreadable slot that people assume just does random shit at random times.

sheep could've come up with explicit reasons for why he sorted N_M the way he did. But he didn't. He did the exact same thing with Hopkirk.

On the other hand, Rem makes like a few posts and sheep actually has reasoning to sort that slot.

[Katyusha]

sheepsaysmeep (2): Not_Mafia, Firebringer
Not_Mafia (3): Mathdino, Hopkirk, sheepsaysmeep

the annoying this is if i vote right now it means scum are YOLObussing and if i get n_m i'm helping them do it and like i dont have the willpower to deal with the blowback of being wrong here

[Katyusha]

monkeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Mathdino]

this game is hard!

Don't choose my side for my winning personality

Seriously though. If you start townreading me based on effort and making sense in LyLo that's just gonna go underwater when you realise I can (to some extent) pull that off as scum too.

My argument has more evidence because it's right. I knew that from before I caught up that there would be a correct scumteam and the evidence just needed to be found.

So read the evidence, don't try to parse a LyLo 1v1. That goes for all LyLos. There's just significantly more for N_M-scum.

Disclaimer: Like I said had Rem not replaced out I, as a spectator, would be scumreading her pretty strongly at this point. Before the replace-out I admit there was more evidence for Rem-scum on lurking alone. But now that's all NAI.

[Mathdino]

Notice also that Not_Mafia's entire argument is based on me being scum post-replace-in. He doesn't have an argument for this slot being scum prior to that.

Which makes it really rich that he tried to mislynch the slot before a replace-in came and ruined the party, despite going on about how y'all should lynch confscum first.

[Katyusha]

rem was never scummy for lurking, i really only think it's worth pressuring lurkers like D1 when you're trying to get a baseline on everyone (*cough* UCV) and rem had D1 content at least. D2 she was v/la and seph self-hammered for emotionally understandable reasons but it still really hurt the gamestate to do so while i was waiting on rem. D3 she flaked and it was kind of inevitable

i feel dumb for not reading sheep's obvious scumhammer there but still

[Katyusha]

Notice also that Not_Mafia's entire argument is based on me being scum post-replace-in. He doesn't have an argument for this slot being scum prior to that.

Which makes it really rich that he tried to mislynch the slot before a replace-in came and ruined the party, despite going on about how y'all should lynch confscum first.

yeah this is what i was talking about earlier

[Mathdino]

I'm really gonna look like a jackass if N_M was town the whole time lol

But if that were the case, it just rewards really good play on the part of Fire and Flubber and sheep (is Flubber conftown yet?) so I guess I'm cool with that. Lose sooner rather than later.

[humaneatingmonkey]

urgh.

gun to my head, i'm choosing mathdino as scum.

give me another day and that might change.

md is tonally scum right now

[Katyusha]

monkey it's D3 surely we have more than tone to go off of

[Katyusha]

I'm really gonna look like a jackass if N_M was town the whole time lol

But if that were the case, it just rewards really good play on the part of Fire and Flubber and sheep (is Flubber conftown yet?) so I guess I'm cool with that. Lose sooner rather than later.

im willing to lose the game if it's not sheep/hop/{you/nm} so i dont really care at this point

if this were a normal lylo we would have already lynched sheep and hop by now

[Mathdino]

N_M is ALWAYS tonally town dude.

Again, look at the evidence. Prove me wrong. But tonereading LyLos is straight up not going to work.

I don't have a 100% LyLo town winrate for nothing . Would've made so many bad decisions if I chose to toneread shit.

[humaneatingmonkey]

yeah but we're talking about rem slot. rem slot d1 and d2 was scum to me.