Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[April Ludgate]

Bad choice for a test, then. Scum-me wouldn't go there without a metric fuckton of trajectory.

I disagree. It was specifically for you.

We would have had a conversation that would spring that into action. You just shut it down, which is good.

However, now you also have reason to why ScumYou would do the exact same thing, which is another part of it.

[April Ludgate]

You just don’t have the people to get another wagon, Morph, unless you out that you’re scum.

[April Ludgate]

I very much believe that if Alisae is scum, they are a PR that scum need to stop me.

In a situation where AlisaePR scum flips Day 1, that’s insanely momentum building for me, on top of what I’ve claimed.

Scum literally have to kill me which wrecks them if I get protected.

[April Ludgate]

I don’t actually think I get night killed, in any other situation.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm not actually a huge meta player, i just use it as a baseline when i wanna see if i'm reading into something that's more a personality thing than an alignment thing

that reminds me, last night i wanted to ask alisae to remove the ! from that signature because it was interfering with me ctrl+fing "!"

[morph the cat]

Bad choice for a test, then. Scum-me wouldn't go there without a metric fuckton of trajectory.

I disagree. It was specifically for you.

We would have had a conversation that would spring that into action. You just shut it down, which is good.

However, now you also have reason to why ScumYou would do the exact same thing, which is another part of it.

Nope.

If I were scum, I'd be a lot more worried about playing to the expectations of players who know how to read me. You would be easy to dodge in some ways if scum-me cared about dodging you.

[Alisae]

that reminds me, last night i wanted to ask alisae to remove the ! from that signature because it was interfering with me ctrl+fing "!"

done

[April Ludgate]

Bad choice for a test, then. Scum-me wouldn't go there without a metric fuckton of trajectory.

I disagree. It was specifically for you.

We would have had a conversation that would spring that into action. You just shut it down, which is good.

However, now you also have reason to why ScumYou would do the exact same thing, which is another part of it.

Nope.

If I were scum, I'd be a lot more worried about playing to the expectations of players who know how to read me. You would be easy to dodge in some ways if scum-me cared about dodging you.

And this is why I can catch scum you. Is this Cabd? I can’t say much to catching Ffery, but yeah, I know the Cabd playstyle way more than you’d think, and I’ve correctly read you almost every time we’ve played (albeit not too much, and over the years)

It also makes total sense to me that this is how a T/T us would be as well, which I like.

[April Ludgate]

And this is Day 1, easy to dodge, lol

I’ve flip flopped more times than a pancake flipping contest

[morph the cat]

You just don’t have the people to get another wagon, Morph, unless you out that you’re scum.

I'd deadline vote a null read with some regret to prevent no-elim. That may happen. If I wind up with a solid enough townread, I won't vote there even if the elim is inevitable.

Cabd, on the other hand kinda wants the day to end and get some info from a flip.

[morph the cat]

Bad choice for a test, then. Scum-me wouldn't go there without a metric fuckton of trajectory.

I disagree. It was specifically for you.

We would have had a conversation that would spring that into action. You just shut it down, which is good.

However, now you also have reason to why ScumYou would do the exact same thing, which is another part of it.

Nope.

If I were scum, I'd be a lot more worried about playing to the expectations of players who know how to read me. You would be easy to dodge in some ways if scum-me cared about dodging you.

And this is why I can catch scum you. Is this Cabd? I can’t say much to catching Ffery, but yeah, I know the Cabd playstyle way more than you’d think, and I’ve correctly read you almost every time we’ve played (albeit not too much, and over the years)

It also makes total sense to me that this is how a T/T us would be as well, which I like.

It's not Cabd. It's the mediocre scum player in this hydra. Whom you've never played against. You've only played with town-me.

[April Ludgate]

That’s what I thought.

I feel you both highly underestimate me, though, which is where I like to play at.

Alisae makes it easy too because they overrate me.

Both give me advantages because when I show up, I can throw them verbal hands at anyone, and leave standing.

But I’m also a strategist. The type that’s naturally good at chess kinda thing.

[April Ludgate]

Bad choice for a test, then. Scum-me wouldn't go there without a metric fuckton of trajectory.

I disagree. It was specifically for you.

We would have had a conversation that would spring that into action. You just shut it down, which is good.

However, now you also have reason to why ScumYou would do the exact same thing, which is another part of it.

Nope.

If I were scum, I'd be a lot more worried about playing to the expectations of players who know how to read me. You would be easy to dodge in some ways if scum-me cared about dodging you.

And this is why I can catch scum you. Is this Cabd? I can’t say much to catching Ffery, but yeah, I know the Cabd playstyle way more than you’d think, and I’ve correctly read you almost every time we’ve played (albeit not too much, and over the years)

It also makes total sense to me that this is how a T/T us would be as well, which I like.

It's not Cabd. It's the mediocre scum player in this hydra. Whom you've never played against. You've only played with town-me.

I don’t believe that’s something. I enjoy analyzing new players because I play mafia more sociological than most, i studied a lot of sociology, took a lot of classes for it over the years, just something that as a writer always fascinated me, so I do believe one of my strengths is learning how people think with relative ease.

I think it’s important to hone in on strengths like that in a Mafia sense, which over the past 5-6 years, I’ve been one of the most active players on the site (less so in 2020).

What are your strengths, ffery?

[April Ludgate]

I see you as a very likable person who probably doesn’t like to play scum as much because deceitful and manipulation isn’t something you necessarily like doing on a personal level, so probably gives more anxiety for you when you play scum.

And like, let’s just be honest, Cabd-Flavor Leaf in the same game, I’m obviously gonna be trolling the slot and giving them Third Degree Boon.

[PlusJOYED]

if it's AtE it's not working since I'm just puzzled not sympathetic

.... ?
You’re puzzled, not sympathetic but others reactions aren’t within this line

?
That was me talking to april

[morph the cat]

Bad choice for a test, then. Scum-me wouldn't go there without a metric fuckton of trajectory.

I disagree. It was specifically for you.

We would have had a conversation that would spring that into action. You just shut it down, which is good.

However, now you also have reason to why ScumYou would do the exact same thing, which is another part of it.

Nope.

If I were scum, I'd be a lot more worried about playing to the expectations of players who know how to read me. You would be easy to dodge in some ways if scum-me cared about dodging you.

And this is why I can catch scum you. Is this Cabd? I can’t say much to catching Ffery, but yeah, I know the Cabd playstyle way more than you’d think, and I’ve correctly read you almost every time we’ve played (albeit not too much, and over the years)

It also makes total sense to me that this is how a T/T us would be as well, which I like.

It's not Cabd. It's the mediocre scum player in this hydra. Whom you've never played against. You've only played with town-me.

I don’t believe that’s something. I enjoy analyzing new players because I play mafia more sociological than most, i studied a lot of sociology, took a lot of classes for it over the years, just something that as a writer always fascinated me, so I do believe one of my strengths is learning how people think with relative ease.

I think it’s important to hone in on strengths like that in a Mafia sense, which over the past 5-6 years, I’ve been one of the most active players on the site (less so in 2020).

What are your strengths, ffery?

Knowing when to keep digging in and analyzing and knowing when to trust my gut. Those were my strengths. They've degraded over time at MS which has led to a paralytic late game as town. That's part of the reason why I take long breaks.

Being highly readable as town is also a strength. As to where my scum game lives, I don't discuss that.

[April Ludgate]

I see it. I see it.

I just really started to talk about my scum game on both the micro and the macro level. I just want people to do more as scum and for newer scum players not to be so hesitant or anxious.

Was that you or Cabd that changed your signature?

[PlusJOYED]

What's the agenda you think they're tailoring?

1639

town read: {Morph, bell}
townlean: {aliase, midway, SS}
weak townlean: {tunnels, april}
weak scumlean: {bulge}
scumlean: {remillia, maria}
scumread: {muffin, 420}

2927

town read: {Morph, bell}
townlean: {april, midway, SS}
weak townlean: {bulge}
weak scumlean: {ST, muffin}
scumlean: {remi, maria, aliase}
scumread: {420}

In general I feel like the read on me was TMI.
the scumreads just feel like what scum would have in this gamestate as well as just in general trying to stay consistent. His Muffin reads like scum trying to keep their scumread consistent.
He scumreads remilia, me, remilia, and 420 which seems weird to me and doesn't feel like he's trying to be correct.
I just feel like he's taking positions in this game that scum would take

i explained why I TR you originally, I liked your entrance and ketchup posts. But then you did some very scummy things imo

[morph the cat]

I see you as a very likable person who probably doesn’t like to play scum as much because deceitful and manipulation isn’t something you necessarily like doing on a personal level, so probably gives more anxiety for you when you play scum.

And like, let’s just be honest, Cabd-Flavor Leaf in the same game, I’m obviously gonna be trolling the slot and giving them Third Degree Boon.

Just understand that this alienates and angers this head, which leads to very little interest in working with you if you're town.

It also alienates and angers Cabd head because he simply can't and won't play the way he used to as a working, very hands-on dad. His now meta is a distinct break from his then meta as town. I'm sure he's thought about how he'd approach a scum game at this life-stage, but that's not something he's going to talk with me about.

The little future scummer has an amazing, wonderful family.

pedit I added the sig originally because the question of who people were talking about was coming up constantly. Cabd added the Maria/beeboy hydra to it.

[zMuffinMan]

who's imperium a hydra of?

[April Ludgate]

To be fair, as town, I am playing as a protector from ScumYou, which I think is more than capable, with the combination of Cabd, at running the game. Mixed in with my own reads, I have no reason to fully Town read you.

I town read some of the stuff you do, but then I scum read stuff you do as well, so I have you as scum, and am by no means comfortable letting you full send unparalleled. I am actively blocking you from gaining momentum, which cripples scum you, and it lets you have your own game outside of me if you are town.

I am pretty solid at halting momentum on hyper centerfold players.

[morph the cat]

who's imperium a hydra of?

gonna assume that's a joke.

Food tell: I'm off to make omelets.

[April Ludgate]

Like you say it alienates you, but harnessing your amount of social power is something I’m actively doing so scum you can’t control a game.

I do this as scum when I want to neuter a town role as well. As scum, it’s a lot easier because you have teammates who can assist those type of plays.

And that’s the type of scum player I am. I have every single action like that detailed in my mind, and can just execute it because I can speak charismatically in a way that’s probably hard to tone out for a lot of people.

This is something I do in real life as well, but with tone and inflections, it definitely comes off better in person.

[April Ludgate]

I have effectively put a harness on you and Alisae here because I think you’re scummy, and then I’m easing down to let you talk to the general public and they’ve already heard what I have to say.

I feel like even you see me as town regardless of claim.

[PlusJOYED]

april i don't understand you but i think you're fun to play with