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In post 1903, Andresvmb wrote:The way DotW is looking to shade Anya is so bizarre I would absolutely blow it up.

In post 1940, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1934, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1773, Dragon of the West wrote:

In post 1755, Dwlee99 wrote:DGB + DotW + Titus all just insisting they are a town block gives me the heeby jeebies.

In case people ever need to come back to this to solve the game, I can only confirm DGB and myself as town. Titus is just a read right now

I interpreted this an inno result @andre

Well if you spotted this the Scum probably did too since it’s quite blatant.

I don’t think that comes from Scum, for what it’s worth.

In post 1951, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 1782, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm frustrated that my scumreads are just going "no actually we are all town." Nero could be dead for the WIFOM or because he was also pushing the exact three players. If Dragon has an inno on you though so be it I guess, I just hope he got a "town" pm and not a "doesn't have a gun."

Okay I’m beginning to think that DW is Scum here. I thought there was something odd about an exchange they had with DGB, but if DGB is the Town, then DW might just be Scum.

Okay I need to re-read the game assuming DoTW and DGB are Town, see what’s there. I don’t have the energy right now but it’s something I need to do. T3 as a vote seems fine for now though.

In post 2059, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 2058, petapan wrote:

In post 2056, Andresvmb wrote:Actually Anya wouldn’t have revealed the information as the Informed themselves - they’re most likely just a Goon if they’re Scum. But if the theory is correct, they might have been fishing for it.

where is this informed theory coming from?

Anya’s first post is them claiming to be a Mason all by themselves. Now, indulge me for a second. They could be a Traitor Neighbor that’s Informed about a Masonry, and is openly hinting at it in their first post, letting the Scum Team know to go look for them. Unfortunately I really do think DGB/DotW made themselves way obvious. But that’s a theory yeah?

In post 3058, Andresvmb wrote:STD is a bad vote. Sure nobody needs to listen to me but I really doubt it’ll flip Scum. Titus or DotW or T3 seem like vastly superior choices to me. But again, I need to finish reading. Unfortunately I have work to do.

In post 3060, Andresvmb wrote:Also I would like for anyone here to explain why then I TR both petapan and Nero Cain, even though the Scum were clearly looking to shield nom3 at one point D1 by piling on petapan (go back and look at how, after the attention really shifts against nom3, and some voters some of which have to be Town continue expressing skepticism of petapan, that the Scum decisively drive back there around 636). But where was I? Not on either wagon. And nobody seems to be flagging that post from Titus. Or 593 from T3, where they see a wagon developing on Scum (nom3), who is the most important Scum PR most likely, and goes for a vote on petapan that contradicts an earlier take from them after the Team was clearly trying to focus elsewhere. Which is horrifying. Or how about the reads from DotW on 639?

The only reason I think DGB is Town is because of how much osuka disparaged their thinking at different times. But honestly, most of the early takes are bad. And DW? I read the first 500 posts slowly and carefully, and found a lot to be concerned about. Which is why I need to read in detail what happened with Anya, because when you read posts like 422, which I have in my notes as a terrible defense of nom3, and the exchange that follows with Nero Cain, it leaves a lot to be desired.

Rathe is never Scum. I don’t know why they’re in anyone’s POE. The scrutiny from the Scum and votes, some of the exchanges… it’s just never the case. VFP please go back and read D1 and tell me why the Scum ever pile so many votes there as an alternative to their players then. Stuff like 503 for example.

In post 3062, Andresvmb wrote:Anyway, like I said, this game is long and I need some time. But I really do think the Scum are squarely among {Titus, Titus, DotW}. I have Chaos which I need to just look at carefully I haven’t had the time, and DGB. DW is an outside candidate for Scum. Everyone else is, I’m almost sure, Town. I would be amazed if STD or Anya flipped Scum, but maybe not totally shocked, but Rathe is just… never Scum.

Now, the ONE caveat I’ll give on Rathe (now that we know that it’s also Italiano), is that I know that as Scum, they can and do sometimes provides reads that are all correct. They literally had a solve in a prior game that just finished where they put only Town as solid Town, and left the rest of their Team as Null or Scum. It was incredibly risky, but that helped make me seriously think they were just Town. The accuracy here also seems uncanny, so that’s the only thing. But I just think some of the exchanges definitely lower the odds of this.

In post 3063, Andresvmb wrote:

In post 3062, Andresvmb wrote:among {Titus, Titus, DotW}.

{Titus, T3, DotW}*.

In post 3223, Andresvmb wrote:I’ve tried reading carefully over multiple days, and through Day 1 and through some of Day 2, I have this:

Town
{Dunnstral [Vanilla Town], Nero Cain [Vanilla Town], petapan/cyrus [Vengeful Combined Vigilante Babysitter]}
Strong Lean Town
{ssbm_Kyouko, VFP}
Lean Town
{Dwlee99, T3, Derek12/ChaosOmega [Vanilla Town Claim], Rathe [ItalianoVD]}
Slight Lean Town
{Save The Dragons, Anya}
Neutral / Could Swing Either Direction
{ }
Slight Lean Scum
{Titus [Babysitter Enabler Claim], DGB, Dragon of the West}
Lean Scum
{ }
Scum
{osuka [Mafia Goon], nomnomnom / Vaxkiller [Mafia Informed Compulsive Jailkeeper]}

In post 3226, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah they’ve claimed that. I have also seen Scum claim Friendly Neighbor with a check on another Scum. They’re way too horribly wrong for them to be Town to me.

In post 3227, Andresvmb wrote:But frankly if they’re Masons then who is Scum?

In post 3232, Andresvmb wrote:And does 1869 strike you as the post that a Mason makes? I’m not buying that crap at all. But whatever I need to finish reading I guess. Back in like 2 more interminable hours.

In post 3235, Andresvmb wrote:Also 1369 alone should be reason enough to vote Titus. And I know DotW is defending most of their early positions as just being wrong but 1379 is equally horrifying.