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In post 3399, Venmar wrote:Mastin is using reasoning to justify her bizzare scumread of me as if she has never played with me before.

(P.S Mastin, hehe I was personally surprised I sub-consciously used the right pronoun in this post )

Me
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Pidgey?
Mollie?


Iecerint?
Muffin


Skull
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Mastin

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In post 3422, Venmar wrote:I swear we've played more together than just Xenogears. But if you want to compare me to Xeno games, how about you notice a simple pattern? Tunneling? I spent All of day 1 Xenoblade tunneling Sajin until I cleared him Night 1 via hide. Oh, what have I been doing this game? Tunnel MS from Day 1? HOW ABSURD, NO CONNECTION THERE LOL???

But i'm not going to use my own meta to defend myself anymore because I find it absurd to do so.

Like I said. Your play here seems like scum-imitating-their-towngame rather than town-actually-playing-their-towngame. For instance, the way you're going about defending yourself against the meta attacks. I realize this is a sucky way to explain it, but your way of defending against meta attacks is the same way I do it as scum: bringing up specific instances from specific games and going into detail about why the current game is like the past game, and being derisive of the person using the meta while also going for cheap towncred (or ranting about being caught for the wrong reasons) that meta's worthless.

The way I do that as town is that instead of bringing up specific examples from specific games in detail, I will describe the general trend, and bring up games that they've seen me in, as town and as scum, and tell them that they KNOW better than that. I never take that derogatory tone; I might call them idiots, but I do so with respect. I realize that's me, not you, but still, it influence how I perceive you. Because this post? Feels like the former: scum trying to imitate their past self to clear them, and insulting their opponent for catching them on things they might see as having been entirely wrong. Rather than the latter, town playing their town self, angry at having been pushed when their pusher should know better.

In post 3423, Venmar wrote:Oh, so i'm scum if i'm ON the wagon, but i'm also scum if i'm NOT on the wagon? That sounds like some seriously flawed logic, and sounds like you're just tailoring me to look like scum now.

...No? The only time I said anything about you being on the wagon was when I accidentally switched Varsoon and yourself in my mind, and that was calling him town on it. Being on the wagon isn't a scumtell, not to me. Being off the wagon isn't a scumtell, either. WKing the wagon a scumtell, and your post reminded me that you did so.

In post 3424, Venmar wrote:2. When I said it was rich of you, I meant it in the way that you gave me scum points for (apparently?) being sorry, when almost every post I bother to read from you has you appealing to several people and being all like "OH I MIGHT BE WRONG, I KNOW GUYS I KNOW, I KNOW". You're always doing it, so how dare you make it a scumtell for ME of all people? See, in the post above you say you are sorry for defending scum in this game (and other games, which I have no idea why it should be in ANYWAY be relevant or used here?) and frustrate at the fact no one appreciates that it makes you feel bad. But when I feel bad for tunneling Metal Sonic, a town, for the whole game, I get the scumpoints in the face? Jesus fucking christ.

And as I explained: it's not the act of saying "sorry" that is the scumtell. It's the tone. "sorry guiz" (basically your exact wording)? Not genuine. Fake. Artificial. There as a formality, rather than as something you actually believe.

Me? For me, you can see the entire thought process behind it. The full story was hidden thanks to ongoing games (and also partially hidden by part of the story being in the Speakeasy with a thread I made being relevant to my mindset), but the picture was there nonetheless. You can track my thoughts. You can see where I'm coming from. I'm explaining exactly why I feel the way I do, and why I'm apologizing for not having done better than I have. The circumstances also play a large part in it. With me? I am apologizing for not being more than I am, for my faults, for my flaws, as a player being unable to overcome those feelings and being subjective rather than objective. For my failures, for my lack of reasoning, for everything that makes me not be a Paragon-level scumhunter. That I screwed up. That I lost my confidence. That I let my failures destroy me, and ruin my reputation. I'm apologizing for the fact that, yes, I fully know I could be wrong...but that I'm pushing what I am anyway in spite of that possibility. Because a better town player shouldn't be doing that.

You? Yours was just "sorry, I was wrong". And that was it. Your number one scumread throughout the whole game. flipped town. and you have a private QT where you could have said the "sorry". And instead of in there. you say it in here. and move on. without a second of thought. continue to tunnel as you have been tunneling the whole game. no remorse. no hesitation. no reanalysis. no effort to figure out where you went wrong. A flat "sorry" that held no meaning. It had no backing. You said it. But then you never meant it, because your posting after that? Sure doesn't look sorry.

Again. The tone's the difference. Mine, you can tell is genuine. (Okay, so I guess I could fake it, theoretically. I did a good job in Anything Goes of faking that genuine tone, but there, I had help: it actually largely genuine, thanks to a legitimate misread of AP/BRO that helped me spin the narrative. But there's a reason that, bluntly, tone's basically the number one reason I lose my scumgames: because a scum-me literally cannot fake that genuineness.) Yours...wasn't. There was no remorse. Nothing, except continued posting as if your read had been meaningless and worthless.

Which, bluntly, I feel it was--coming from scum, a scumread on a town player would be meaningless, would be worthless, because they didn't really care about it, so can move on with zero emotional loss to it. But I don't care how arrogant a player you are: no town player hardcore tunnels, has their scumread flip town, and then carries on as if that scumread never happened. Yet you? Did.

In post 3428, mastin2 wrote:Your number one scumread throughout the whole game. flipped town. and you have a private QT where you could have said the "sorry". And instead of in there. you say it in here.

(This is actually a fairly important bit. My understanding is that the QTs open at night. And I know from past experience with bork that when there's only one person left alive, bork will allow the QT to stay open. So Venmar could have posted his "sorry" in the neighbor QT, to apologize to Metal Sonic. To AP. He could have townclaimed in there, and said his piece about him having screwed up. But instead of posting in there...he waits until morning to post in here. Why? Because his post here is meant as a formality to make himself look better.)

No, my QT was closed indefinitely the second Metal Sonic died.

Don't know if i'm bothered with reading your wall. Maybe eventually I will.

Kind of skimmed. You're full of shit.

When I flip town you can go throw another emotional tantrum.

Pce

You know I actually think Mastin probably believes in this shit she's saying, so my townread on her is somewhat relapsing back, but it doesn't change the fact she's wrong and being extremely dumb/unreasonable.

For the sake of finally ending this game, lets lynch Skull, in the name of AP's dying wish.

****just passing through with a picket sign that says plz lynch muffina plz****

In post 3433, Venmar wrote:For the sake of finally ending this game, lets lynch Skull, in the name of AP's dying wish.

You know, the more you say that I should be lynched because that's what AFB wanted before he died, the more I'm inclined to believe that you killed AFB so you could use it as justification to set up my mislynch.

You're desperately grabbing at straws in every post you make, FFS. You also ignored two of my posts now in a row.

Lynch this guy.

Oh, snap, you're absolutely right. I must be Scum because I'm not responding to every little thing you say. You figured it out. Good job. Have a cookie.

And in case anyone is wondering, post 3434 is exactly the kind of thing that's making me uneasy about Mollie and why I would be willing to compromise on her lynch if there are too many players who can't see Venmar's scumminess. Her case on Muffin is bad, and I have a difficult time believing that she doesn't realize how bad it is. Her reasons are kinda weak and limp-wristed, but even though they've been refuted pretty thoroughly, she sticks by them. She insists on relentlessly pushing on a player who is unlikely to be lynched, and the benefits to this are twofold:

1.) She gets to maintain the illusion that she's actually doing something worthwhile.
2.) Since a Muffin lynch probably isn't happening today, she won't have to worry about being in an incriminating position on today's eventual end-of-day wagon.

It's nothing concrete, of course -- just a general feeling I've been getting from her behavior lately -- which why I'm sticking to my guns and voting for Venmar instead of pushing on Mollie more. I would prefer to lynch Venmar today, but a Mollie lynch is also acceptable. Hope that clears up any confusion.

points 1 and 2 there are in line with my own thoughts on what she's doing atm (though point 2 could be considered somewhat hypocritical coming from me given my voting this game)

she's also back in lurk mode (she was never really out of it, but her activity has dropped to an all-time low), not done the reading she said she would do, and has been told by ffery she's blatantly wrong but doesn't care

but people are still reading her as town

*shrug*

hey mastin

mastin

why didn't you respond to 3396?

In post 3437, Skullduggery wrote:Oh, snap, you're absolutely right. I must be Scum because I'm not responding to every little thing you say. You figured it out. Good job. Have a cookie.

On a scale of Woodrow Wilson to Rick Astley, how clever of a smartass do you feel right now?

this game is slightly frustrating because the conversations i've been having lately seem to go like

me: i don't think mollie is town, here let me break down her recent posts and show she is blatantly lying, show she's spewing bullshit, and point out that she's lurking more than normal, she hasn't been proactive in giving reads or taking stances for almost the entire game, and she just hasn't done much that looks town
everyone: i think she's town!
me: ok why
everyone: she's done town things!
me: ok where
*FUCKING TUMBLEWEEDS. NOTHING BUT TUMBLEWEEDS. TUMBLEWEEDS AS FAR AS THE EYE CAN SEE. AND SOME CRICKETS CHIRPING, TOO*
me: fantastic

me: I am not lying look here
muffina: I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH I NEVER AGREED WITH SANGRES EVER I JUST SHEEP THEIR VOTES
me: that was kind of what I meant but I am pretty sure you sheeped their reads at least at the start of the game
muffina: STOP CALLING ME ON MY SHIT PROVE IT!!!!!!
me: :effort: it is like right there. you don't even have me as a scumread you are basing it off of poe
muffina: THAT IS HOW I SCUMHUNT BUT NOW I HAVE DECIDED TO MAKE YOU SCUM
me: okay
muffina: SEE! SHE IS SCUM!

which is why I feel like talking to you is a big waste of time. if you are town you srsly suck I am leaning that you are not cos you had to work your way into a scumread on me and a shitload of other things mostly gut.

your scum I am nearly positive of it. if you are town then I will eat my hat

people have stated why they think I am town and it is like they never said a thing cos you ignore all of it cos it doesn't suit your agenda. scum

mollie

given ffery basically straight up told you YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING, and you've yet to provide examples that back up anything you're saying, that's fucking hilarious

like the person who you claim i'm sheeping LITERALLY TOLD YOU you have no idea what you're talking about

Will have the rest of my read up rolling out by tomorrow ive been doing some stuff :v

speaking of that post where you were told you're blatantly wrong, the following posts also show how much bullshit you're spewing. and the guy who posted them is fucking amazing so i'm inclined to believe he has a point.

In post 3446, zMuffinMan wrote:like the person who you claim i'm sheeping LITERALLY TOLD YOU you have no idea what you're talking about

dear dummy,

fery was clarifying that you
disagreed with them not all of the time
in an effort to mediate I do believe. they
think we are both town. I think they are
wrong. you are pushing bullshit agendas
and they do not add up. it looks desperate
and pretty pathetic.

no love,
mollie