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Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:28 am
by xRECKONERx
Cabd's role was also fucking with VCs and it looking like the mod was doing it so I mean... that whole idea is pretty worthless?
I can change it every VC, if I want.
p.edit: Messenger, in the hands of town, is not misleading. Messenger, in the hands of scum, can be used to fuck with people. This isn't hard. It's the difference between Mollie sending me a message that was a genuine reach out versus scum sending me a message that says "You receive this result: _____" or something to fuck with me
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:29 am
by Cephrir
↑ Wisdom wrote:also lol @ "based on nothing". Every single change I have made is crystal clear and everyone can tell what I am thinking and why at any given moment.
I have to disagree with you there.
↑ Wisdom wrote:shos is actually right now that I think about it. It's a misleading thing and fits scum more than town
This, however, is true and has occurred to me.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Bins: Conditional Cop
Cabd: Limited Vote Mover
Cephrir: ???
GreyICE: Night Action Checker Thing
Iecerint: ???
Katsuki: 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker
notscience: Hated Townie?
Rhinox: Loud Doctor
shos: ???
T-Bone: Roleblocker
TierShift: ???
Wisdom: Day Messenger
xRECKONERx: Points Awarder
did i fuck anything up here
You missed my claim. I'm a Miller Vote Switcher.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:29 am
by xRECKONERx
isn't shos changing votes in the VC too?
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:29 am
by xRECKONERx
ahhh ceph nvm
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:30 am
by xRECKONERx
Bins: Conditional Cop
Cabd: Limited Vote Mover
Cephrir: Miller Vote Switcher
GreyICE: Night Action Checker Thing
Iecerint: ???
Katsuki: 1-shot Miller Thread Unlocker
notscience: Hated Townie?
Rhinox: Loud Doctor
shos: ???
T-Bone: Roleblocker
TierShift: ???
Wisdom: Day Messenger
xRECKONERx: Points Awarder
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:31 am
by xRECKONERx
I think you can look at the other roles in this game and make the same argument about how they can be used to mislead the town:
Cabd can fuck with lurker votes.
Ceph can swap two people in the VC.
I can mess with the points.
Wisdom can send messages to people containing anything they want.
There's potential, in all of these roles, for there to be misleading/misdirection/fuckery. I don't think the argument that my role, specifically, CAN fuck w/ people is really legitimate without applying the same to these other roles.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:32 am
by Wisdom
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:p.edit: Messenger, in the hands of town, is not misleading. Messenger, in the hands of scum, can be used to fuck with people. This isn't hard. It's the difference between Mollie sending me a message that was a genuine reach out versus scum sending me a message that says "You receive this result: _____" or something to fuck with me
No, that's impossible, because it is noted that the message is not from the mod.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:33 am
by xRECKONERx
↑ Wisdom wrote: ↑ xRECKONERx wrote:p.edit: Messenger, in the hands of town, is not misleading. Messenger, in the hands of scum, can be used to fuck with people. This isn't hard. It's the difference between Mollie sending me a message that was a genuine reach out versus scum sending me a message that says "You receive this result: _____" or something to fuck with me
No, that's impossible, because it is noted that the message is not from the mod.
No, it doesn't.
It just says that you receive a message, doesn't say who from
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:33 am
by Wisdom
It is noted as not from the mod. It says so in my role PM. You are lying.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:33 am
by xRECKONERx
I AM NOT FUCKING LYING.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:34 am
by Cephrir
I can't help looking at this setup as is and going, "how the fuck is this balanced?"
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:34 am
by xRECKONERx
IT NEVER SAID IT WASN'T FROM THE MOD.
IT SAYS THAT I RECEIVE A MESSAGE
THEN IT HAS AN AREA TAG W/ THE MESSAGE IN IT
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:35 am
by xRECKONERx
oh my god this is giving me 999 mafia flashbacks
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:35 am
by Wisdom
shos you also got a message. Is it noted as not being from the mod or not?
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:36 am
by Cephrir
If it says "you recieve a message" I don't see how anyone could think it was from the mod.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:36 am
by xRECKONERx
It's left ambiguous enough to draw a conclusion
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:36 am
by xRECKONERx
Keep in mind that shit like T-Bone getting a track result, without setup knowledge, could appear as receiving a message
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:37 am
by Wisdom
Have you seen many mods who give, let's say, tracker results, starting with "you got a message"?
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:38 am
by Wisdom
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:Keep in mind that shit like T-Bone getting a track result, without setup knowledge, could appear as receiving a message
No, because that track result doesn't have "you received a message".
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:38 am
by xRECKONERx
↑ Wisdom wrote:Have you seen many mods who give, let's say, tracker results, starting with "you got a message"?
No, but it's not explicitly stated, which is my whole point.
There are ways that scum could fuck with that message since it doesn't say THIS IS A MESSAGE THAT ANOTHER PLAYER HAS SENT YOU SPECIFICALLY AND IS NOT A MOD you know? It's ambiguous enough that someone could fuck with it if they really wanted to, but you guys didn't
p.edit: Yes, I know that, now. But at the time, if scum had a messenger role, they could make it look damn convincing
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:39 am
by xRECKONERx
I'm not actually saying you're scum Wisdom, I'm saying there are plenty of roles in this game that COULD be fuckery in scum hands, and yours is one of them, so the argument that my role could be fuckery in scum hands is moot
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:39 am
by Cephrir
Reeeeeally don't think anyone is that dumb.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:39 am
by Wisdom
No, it's not ambiguous. You got a message = Not from the mod. The mod himself thinks so, because my role PM says that my message will be noted as not being from the mod.
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:40 am
by Wisdom
↑ Cephrir wrote:Reeeeeally don't think anyone is that dumb.
i dont see you voting him
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 4:41 am
by Cephrir
Also don't think this argument has any point though.
I need to iso the people who give me the most heebie jeebies I guess
Pedit @Wisdom: Just because he is wrong about whether your role could be used for fuckery doesn't make him scum. I'm thinking about it, but [grumbling noises].