Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:02 am
Vote count 2.01
with 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-09-30 12:45:00).
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:03 am
Yeah but like why was the hostility faked as opposed to genuine fypov? I think it’s quite plausible that bob believes thisIn post 3422, shellyc wrote:bob was directly hostile towards teacher at daystart, and i feel like they're trying to set teacher up for a mislim since I TR TeacherIn post 3419, Menalque wrote:Why thoIn post 3411, shellyc wrote:like tbh I think the hostility of bob towards teacher just incriminates them even more
And why does bob read as faked hostility but teacher reads as genuine
I think they both read quite genuine tonally
And again, bob is not incompetent as scum and I’m not sure why scum!him decides to get into a back and forth with a generally townread teacher
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:04 am
Had you just said, "oops, yea, I was wrong, it was less than a day" this conversation would have ended a lot faster. I am not defending NDMath -- I havent even said his name. I just said one of your points was factually wrong (i.e., a lie). Apparently calling factually wrong things lies is childish. :shrug: Im going to keep doing it :shrug:In post 3413, bob3141 wrote:The thing is this is all on the back of me pointing out that dmath kept flip flopping. Teacher you seem to be trying real hard to defend him
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:04 am
And they both claim to think that im scum. So a self voting IV would rule him out as being partners with me. And my read wasnt one they left.
So teh logical conclusion that town scum reading me would make. Is either im wrong on bob or IV cant be scum with bob.
As why would Iv self vote. Ensuring he is the lynch when he could so easily switch to osuka. But along with bob he is against that lynch. Why would a scum bob/Iv team fight a potential mislynch in favour of scum lynch.
So teh logical conclusion that town scum reading me would make. Is either im wrong on bob or IV cant be scum with bob.
As why would Iv self vote. Ensuring he is the lynch when he could so easily switch to osuka. But along with bob he is against that lynch. Why would a scum bob/Iv team fight a potential mislynch in favour of scum lynch.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:04 am
bob goes out there and shade teacher for what is probably seriously a mistake regardless of teach's alignment
which feels like shading to me its hard to explain
which feels like shading to me its hard to explain
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:06 am
Im not generally TR'ed, I dont think. I was like the 4th most popular compromise slot in Plusjoyed lists yesterday 1 day before deadline. And, note that by shading NDMath's vote as being "a few days" before deadline, he is also implicitly shading my even earlier vote.In post 3426, Menalque wrote:Yeah but like why was the hostility faked as opposed to genuine fypov? I think it’s quite plausible that bob believes thisIn post 3422, shellyc wrote:bob was directly hostile towards teacher at daystart, and i feel like they're trying to set teacher up for a mislim since I TR TeacherIn post 3419, Menalque wrote:Why thoIn post 3411, shellyc wrote:like tbh I think the hostility of bob towards teacher just incriminates them even more
And why does bob read as faked hostility but teacher reads as genuine
I think they both read quite genuine tonally
And again, bob is not incompetent as scum and I’m not sure why scum!him decides to get into a back and forth with a generally townread teacher
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:06 am
Idk if I agree with thisIn post 3423, bob3141 wrote:Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.
He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.
For one thing, I think IV’s end of day was actually much more ambiguous than his early day which I think was townier and while I’m not familiar with his game playing for towncred (self-voting out of ‘frustration’) is entirely a move scum make if they think they’re safe which /at the time he did it/ i think he could have thought he was — as in, it looked very much like osuka was going through and he could always hammer if osuka got to L-1
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:08 am
Bob I’m sorry idk if it’s the hangover but I’m really struggling to parse what you’re saying here
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:09 am
For anyone scum read me. so far this game has hard meta im town 
The fact scum decided to shoot saud, a player that was clear VT. As scum i have massive hit rate when it comes to town pr.
In my last town game i spotted all town pr dayone.
The fact scum decided to shoot saud, a player that was clear VT. As scum i have massive hit rate when it comes to town pr.
In my last town game i spotted all town pr dayone.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:10 am
If correct:In post 3428, bob3141 wrote:And they both claim to think that im scum. So a self voting IV would rule him out as being partners with me. And my read wasnt one they left.
So teh logical conclusion that town scum reading me would make. Is either im wrong on bob or IV cant be scum with bob.
As why would Iv self vote. Ensuring he is the lynch when he could so easily switch to osuka. But along with bob he is against that lynch. Why would a scum bob/Iv team fight a potential mislynch in favour of scum lynch.
NDmath and teacher both claim to think bob is scum. So a self-voting IV would rule him out as being partners with bob. And teacher’s and ndmath’s read on bob isn’t the one they left —> what does this mean? Why does self voting IV tule him out as partners with you?
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:10 am
FWIW, I kinda agree with Bob here, IV was towntelling in his EoD posts, and I thought this too. BUT WE STILL NEEDED A FLIP, and thats the only one I saw getting through, especially with Mena/Shelley being off starting a rando wagon on a slot nobody had really considered.In post 3431, Menalque wrote:Idk if I agree with thisIn post 3423, bob3141 wrote:Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.
He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.
For one thing, I think IV’s end of day was actually much more ambiguous than his early day which I think was townier and while I’m not familiar with his game playing for towncred (self-voting out of ‘frustration’) is entirely a move scum make if they think they’re safe which /at the time he did it/ i think he could have thought he was — as in, it looked very much like osuka was going through and he could always hammer if osuka got to L-1
Speaking of which, Mena, if you dont agree with it, why did you go start a rando wagon <24 hrs before deadline?
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:11 am
Okay I’ll take another look at that and the timing of when bob started pushing on youIn post 3430, teacher wrote:Im not generally TR'ed, I dont think. I was like the 4th most popular compromise slot in Plusjoyed lists yesterday 1 day before deadline. And, note that by shading NDMath's vote as being "a few days" before deadline, he is also implicitly shading my even earlier vote.In post 3426, Menalque wrote:Yeah but like why was the hostility faked as opposed to genuine fypov? I think it’s quite plausible that bob believes thisIn post 3422, shellyc wrote:bob was directly hostile towards teacher at daystart, and i feel like they're trying to set teacher up for a mislim since I TR TeacherIn post 3419, Menalque wrote:Why thoIn post 3411, shellyc wrote:like tbh I think the hostility of bob towards teacher just incriminates them even more
And why does bob read as faked hostility but teacher reads as genuine
I think they both read quite genuine tonally
And again, bob is not incompetent as scum and I’m not sure why scum!him decides to get into a back and forth with a generally townread teacher
I guess I meant more that I think you’re mostly TR by other slots that I think are town/the ones I’m more interested in working with
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:11 am
In post 3431, Menalque wrote:Idk if I agree with thisIn post 3423, bob3141 wrote:Basicly at the point teacher and dmath voted Village. IT couldnt of been more clear that IV was town.
He wasnt even the leading lynch if you took away his self vote. Scum never leaves them selves at risk of being a compromise lynch. If village was scum all he had to do was flip on his osuka read. The worst that woudl have happened is that he would have been lynched anyway.
For one thing, I think IV’s end of day was actually much more ambiguous than his early day which I think was townier and while I’m not familiar with his game playing for towncred (self-voting out of ‘frustration’) is entirely a move scum make if they think they’re safe which /at the time he did it/ i think he could have thought he was — as in, it looked very much like osuka was going through and he could always hammer if osuka got to L-1
point is he didnt take it off when he was no longer safe.
No one would of faulted him for no longer voting a slot that he would see as confirmed town
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:12 am
Do you mean the plus wagon?In post 3435, teacher wrote:Speaking of which, Mena, if you dont agree with it, why did you go start a rando wagon <24 hrs before deadline?
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:12 am
In which case also that was me + andres
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:14 am
Ah, yea, that. IIRC, you had doubts about Andres, I said town, Andres voted Plus and you followed -- all v close to deadline. If you didnt think IV was towntelling, why try to flashwagon a new slot when deadline is a serious issue.In post 3439, Menalque wrote:In which case also that was me + andres
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:16 am
But like I think that was fairly clear
I started having doubts around IV but was still very much mixed there given his early posting and the fact I’d felt strongly enough to towncase him over the “scumslip” bs — which, incidentallt, again proves my point that scumslips come from town most often
And also was mixed on osuka after going through his posting in detail to check the ellitell
Felt good about Andres after talking to him about my paranoia and he wanted plus who never really got any towner throughout the day and I was happy to see if we could CFD there
If ydrasse hadn’t hammered I would have come back in time for deadline to compromise if needed on IV
I started having doubts around IV but was still very much mixed there given his early posting and the fact I’d felt strongly enough to towncase him over the “scumslip” bs — which, incidentallt, again proves my point that scumslips come from town most often
And also was mixed on osuka after going through his posting in detail to check the ellitell
Felt good about Andres after talking to him about my paranoia and he wanted plus who never really got any towner throughout the day and I was happy to see if we could CFD there
If ydrasse hadn’t hammered I would have come back in time for deadline to compromise if needed on IV
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:17 am
I had doubts about Andres but then spent like a page and a half talking to him about it and came away happy that he was town + you telling me you were confident in town him
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:18 am
I attempted NKA, and came down to Saudade was probably the most UTR slot in this F@#$ed game. If anything, I find the kill slightly town-indicative for Kerset, but cant get that far down the rabbithole of WIFOM and get the other reactions.In post 3415, Menalque wrote:I think saudade kill is probably implicative for kerset and maybe to a lesser extent ydrasse
Or it’s an attempt to frame kerset and to get us to flip the doc and save scum a NK
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:20 am
I want to run through it along with VCA with the flips we have before I try to figure out which one it is
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:21 am
Minus the bit they wouldnt know about my meta.In post 3434, Menalque wrote:If correct:In post 3428, bob3141 wrote:And they both claim to think that im scum. So a self voting IV would rule him out as being partners with me. And my read wasnt one they left.
So teh logical conclusion that town scum reading me would make. Is either im wrong on bob or IV cant be scum with bob.
As why would Iv self vote. Ensuring he is the lynch when he could so easily switch to osuka. But along with bob he is against that lynch. Why would a scum bob/Iv team fight a potential mislynch in favour of scum lynch.
NDmath and teacher both claim to think bob is scum. So a self-voting IV would rule him out as being partners with bob. And teacher’s and ndmath’s read on bob isn’t the one they left —> what does this mean? Why does self voting IV tule him out as partners with you?
Basicly at that point if there reads were both real. They would be thinking that bob is scum and Village is town.
If village was scum with me. That would mean that osuka was counter wagon. If that was the case why wouldnt atleast one of us be pushign that wagon. Why would VI push himself closer to lynch with self vote. Its basic wagonomics.
If the wagons are deadlocked but one gets a clear lead when it comes to deadline. That one will always be lynched. So scum will always either be focused on keep the scum wagon down or just hard bussing.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:22 am
Like it’s a fairly substantial risk to leave a doctor in game who might block your kill
Equally he wasn’t gonna protect saudade so depending on when scum settled on that it was prob safe to leave him for the first night if he’s town
But then again kerset said he’s gated so that lowers the risk somewhat, like if he’s even or disloyal or something
Equally he wasn’t gonna protect saudade so depending on when scum settled on that it was prob safe to leave him for the first night if he’s town
But then again kerset said he’s gated so that lowers the risk somewhat, like if he’s even or disloyal or something
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:26 am
This helped. TBH, I found the random wagon <24 hours to be weak play. In a town this disjointed a flashwagon on a new slot was not going to happen. I would have thought youd join your biggest TR (me) and tried to push a counter (bob) that was demonstrably viable instead. If you had, I bet Ydrasse and Andres follow (Ydrasse with voting bob in his heart, Andres seeing that Plus aint happening). But its clear to me that you TR Bob for some reason. I think youre still stuck in your early game position there, tbh. Bob garnerned a lot of early TRs, coasted and made some vague game state comments, shaded my rolestopper comment before I outted informed (by pairing me with any future rolestopper flip), and now is remaining in a tunnel when multiple slots are telling him its wrong. If he puts so much emphasis on meta, why isnt he listening to the one person who has played with me extensively? Or interacting with them directly on, well, anything?In post 3441, Menalque wrote:I think that was fairly clear
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:26 am
Spoiler:
i wasted my life on this sorry for the godawful formatting
sorry, spoilering that -D
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:27 am
imma go to bed now gn everyone I need sleep