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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:49 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 3293, Fidget wrote:I am not sure why Theta/Murder don't want to give reads. If scum chooses to kill me or not kill me for something I have said, I trust that will be brought to light down the line.
I'm going to cheat somewhat because I don't have solid scumreads out of the pool of 10ish people I would consider passing the scroll, and I might not have time to find those preferences.
Don't give it to Lady, Murder, Bell, Hopkirk, Pooky or Mush. I slightly lean against throwing it at Theta but could be wrong. Hopkirk I have some capacity to be wrong on because I have not analyzed him deeply, but I'll reevaluate later.
If I had the scroll right now and I had to hit scum to win, I'd throw it at shelly. If I had the scroll and I just wanted to get the most information out of a flip as possible, I'd throw it at Noraa or Tayl0r. If all three of these players became scroll-immune, I would throw it at.... likely Lapsa or Adorable.
Zdenek/Vax/Titus/UNOwen/Gloria all have capacity to be scum but I do not have enough of an opinion on them yet.
This is so wishy washy.
Lurk lurk lurk, then post a "going with the flow" post. You go out of your way to tell us you arent sure. Yea we all arent sure, but this: "dont have solid scumreads"..."but could be wrong"... "capacity to be wrong"... "capacity to be scum" ... "I do not have enough of an opinion on them yet"
This list is all low hanging fruit, any of these people could die and everyone would shrug. No one on this list is going to present too much of an obstacle to put them on this list.
Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:49 am
by Fidget
In post 3381, Noraa wrote:
This reads list does not line up with what you had previously said for a VERY long time. Perhaps my town pass was given too easily. I retract it.
Oo I wanna hear more about this. Actually, Adorable has only 15 posts, I think I can handle it.
She scumreads Noraa for A.) reasons we've been through obviously and B.) for voting her + leaving her vote on her even after reading her as newbtown
She scumreads UNOwen for suspecting her when she voted Noraa, thinking he was setting up Adorable as a partner to scum!Noraa
Amazingly enough she ALSO scumreads Vaxkiller for voting her and leaving their vote on her.
And finally, she scumreads Lapsa for switching his vote to her.
Perhaps I should add that I suspect her and am also on the list?
She's awfully cognizant and hostile towards those suspecting her, although I am not familiar enough with Adorable to know if she would do that as town too. The main thing I know about Adorable is that she town-slipped in every game I have ever played with her where she was town, lol
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:52 am
by Fidget
Hi, there, Vax. If you want to know what reads I am solid on, look no further than my townbloc. Early scumreads are a bit of a weakness of mine, but I'm working on it.
I assure you, for example, I do not flip-flop on Noraa here if I were scum, there is no reason to do that.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:54 am
by Vaxkiller
ehhhh
You may have a point. But I too sometimes think of myself as more important and get stuck on analyzing the people that interact with me only. Something I need to work on.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:54 am
by Vaxkiller
What's your town bloc?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:55 am
by shellyc
In post 3425, Vaxkiller wrote:This list is all low hanging fruit, any of these people could die and everyone would shrug. No one on this list is going to present too much of an obstacle to put them on this list.
SHELLY THE OBSTACLE ARISES
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:56 am
by shellyc
In post 3425, Vaxkiller wrote:Lurk lurk lurk, then post a "going with the flow" post. You go out of your way to tell us you arent sure. Yea we all arent sure, but this: "dont have solid scumreads"..."but could be wrong"... "capacity to be wrong"... "capacity to be scum" ... "I do not have enough of an opinion on them yet"
yeah but think of it another way
town have no reason to be confident because they aren't informed
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:56 am
by Vaxkiller
3428 was in response to 3426 not 3427
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:57 am
by Fidget
In post 3425, Vaxkiller wrote:
This list is all low hanging fruit, any of these people could die and everyone would shrug. No one on this list is going to present too much of an obstacle to put them on this list.
Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?
I should probably also add that Gloria, UNOwen, Zdenek, Theta, Flea, and yourself could be considered LHF if you want to stretch the term. At least, they were when I was actively reading the thread. I also do not consider tayl0r to be low hanging fruit.
Pooky, Murdercat, Bell, Mush, and LLD are strong players, yes, but I also feel they are town. So, I suppose that is just how it is.
pedit: There is your answer, then.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:57 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 3431, shellyc wrote:yeah but think of it another way
town have no reason to be confident because they aren't informed
Yea, but as scum it's nice to have things laid out in a way you can flip on easily without making something up.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:00 am
by shellyc
if you consider me LHF why am I on your list
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:02 am
by Vaxkiller
You can be both!
Heh, looking at my list, they are all low hanging fruit too.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:02 am
by shellyc
In post 3433, Fidget wrote: In post 3425, Vaxkiller wrote:
This list is all low hanging fruit, any of these people could die and everyone would shrug. No one on this list is going to present too much of an obstacle to put them on this list.
Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?
I should probably also add that Gloria, UNOwen, Zdenek, Theta, Flea, and yourself could be considered LHF if you want to stretch the term. At least, they were when I was actively reading the thread. I also do not consider tayl0r to be low hanging fruit.
Pooky, Murdercat, Bell, Mush, and LLD are strong players, yes, but I also feel they are town. So, I suppose that is just how it is.
pedit: There is your answer, then.
fidget what is your definition of a strong player
also do you have a read on vaxkiller atm
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:03 am
by Fidget
In post 3431, shellyc wrote: In post 3425, Vaxkiller wrote:Lurk lurk lurk, then post a "going with the flow" post. You go out of your way to tell us you arent sure. Yea we all arent sure, but this: "dont have solid scumreads"..."but could be wrong"... "capacity to be wrong"... "capacity to be scum" ... "I do not have enough of an opinion on them yet"
yeah but think of it another way
town have no reason to be confident because they aren't informed
I have a tendency to not project false confidence when giving my reads or voting, so I will usually present my actual confidence levels. And they are typically not very high.
In post 3434, Vaxkiller wrote: In post 3431, shellyc wrote:yeah but think of it another way
town have no reason to be confident because they aren't informed
Yea, but as scum it's nice to have things laid out in a way you can flip on easily without making something up.
This is true, but I generally like to seem like I have more of a plan as scum. "This player, but if it's not this player, then it's this and this." Very logical and detached, seem like I know what I'm talking about. I usually tie the logic to a flip that isn't going to happen, as well, so I can be as confident and active as I want, seem all helpful, but not actually be doing anything.
As town, I tend to err on the side of "There's 1,000 possibilities and I only slightly favor this one at the moment." At least in early play. I created this account with the intent to project more false confidence in my early play to see how it treats me, but ended up going with a different playstyle and haven't really gotten that confidence thing going yet.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:03 am
by shellyc
In post 3436, Vaxkiller wrote:
You can be both!
Heh, looking at my list, they are all low hanging fruit too.
both scum and LHF?
those who have played with me probably know my scumgame is a LOT more capable of obvtowning than my towngame
pooky/bell are also not LHF. do you think everyone's LHF atm??
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am
by Vaxkiller
Fidget, why is mush town? Like he was lurking then he posts 1 post and everyone is like, oh wow mush graced us with his town presence. I didnt really get it.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:05 am
by shellyc
In post 3440, Vaxkiller wrote:Fidget, why is mush town? Like he was lurking then he posts 1 post and everyone is like, oh wow mush graced us with his town presence. I didnt really get it.
this really seems like scum thinking "oh wow why is everyone townreading this lurker miselim pool down by one!"
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:06 am
by Fidget
In post 3437, shellyc wrote: In post 3433, Fidget wrote: In post 3425, Vaxkiller wrote:
This list is all low hanging fruit, any of these people could die and everyone would shrug. No one on this list is going to present too much of an obstacle to put them on this list.
Can I change my tswift vote to Fidget?
I should probably also add that Gloria, UNOwen, Zdenek, Theta, Flea, and yourself could be considered LHF if you want to stretch the term. At least, they were when I was actively reading the thread. I also do not consider tayl0r to be low hanging fruit.
Pooky, Murdercat, Bell, Mush, and LLD are strong players, yes, but I also feel they are town. So, I suppose that is just how it is.
pedit: There is your answer, then.
fidget what is your definition of a strong player
also do you have a read on vaxkiller atm
I mean it as a compliment more than anything. I think, in general at least within the context of LHF, I mean strong as in "will resist elimination well" (Such as in Pooky's case) or "projects towniness well" (Such as in Mush's case).
No. I have not seen many of their posts yet.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:08 am
by Vaxkiller
Maybe I shouldn't be using LHF term.
I feel like, save for 5 people or so, mostly everyone would shrug if they killed someone, and there would be little resistance.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:08 am
by Fidget
In post 3440, Vaxkiller wrote:Fidget, why is mush town? Like he was lurking then he posts 1 post and everyone is like, oh wow mush graced us with his town presence. I didnt really get it.
It is my understanding that Mush has a very distinct way of playing town that she cannot replicate as scum, and those who played with her recently picked up on that early on.
I have not observed Mush lurking, she was generally present at the beginning of the game.
Additionally, I like her posting on Noraa being town, it came across as genuine and not scum white-knighting to me. I generally find myself nodding in agreement with Mush which doesn't hurt as well.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:10 am
by shellyc
fidget do you see what I am seeing with 3440 being scum not understanding why a “lurker” town is UTR’d
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:11 am
by Vaxkiller
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:12 am
by shellyc
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:13 am
by Fidget
In post 3443, Vaxkiller wrote:
Maybe I shouldn't be using LHF term.
I feel like, save for 5 people or so, mostly everyone would shrug if they killed someone, and there would be little resistance.
This is why I do not find your point that my list is "Mostly LHF" to be very compelling. You could say that for many here.
I can understand your point about me being less than committal to scumreads, however. This is something that typically improves from me as the game goes on. I usually will focus on town first.
In post 3438, Fidget wrote:This is true, but I generally like to seem like I have more of a plan as scum. "This player, but if it's not this player, then it's this and this." Very logical and detached, seem like I know what I'm talking about. I usually tie the logic to a flip that isn't going to happen, as well, so I can be as confident and active as I want, seem all helpful, but not actually be doing anything.
Ah yes, I forgot something I wanted to add. Reading Noraa accusing me of doing pre-flip association work earlier was actually the moment I first stopped to think harder about her being town.
She could not have known that is something I do as scum personally, but it did take me aback because that is something I very much like to do as scum. Some of Noraa's reads (LLD/Murder) were emotionally driven and unfounded but I do not believe that to be as much of the case when it comes to her read on me. I was somewhat lazy to conclude Adorable!scum off of awkward association with Noraa, perhaps a bit too quick on the draw.
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:14 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 3445, shellyc wrote:fidget do you see what I am seeing with 3440 being scum not understanding why a “lurker” town is UTR’d
He's a lurker to me. I just joined. Also, as scum I don't think I would care about the answer and be more focused on the shade. I genuinely wanted fidgets opinion.