Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:43 am
Sure.
If you want to get out of bronze, the best idea is to only play the stuff that works if your enemy sucks.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:46 am
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 4:51 am
Jumping on the list train, from perceived best to worst in role:
TOP: Lulu, Nasus, Hecarim, Aatrox
MID: Kayle, Orianna, Fizz / Yasuo (those last two are hit and miss)
JUNG: Fiddlesticks, Hecarim, Master Yi, Vi
ADC: Jinx, Lucian, Twitch
SUPP: Thresh, Lulu, Karma, Braum, Leona, Morgana, Nami, Zilean
TOP: Lulu, Nasus, Hecarim, Aatrox
MID: Kayle, Orianna, Fizz / Yasuo (those last two are hit and miss)
JUNG: Fiddlesticks, Hecarim, Master Yi, Vi
ADC: Jinx, Lucian, Twitch
SUPP: Thresh, Lulu, Karma, Braum, Leona, Morgana, Nami, Zilean
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:19 am
If you suck at a certain role, just borrow a champ from another lane though if it's bronze. Never play top? Pick your adc corki. Never play mid? Play your support zyra. That shit will still work in bronze
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:35 am
disclaimer: my opinions
Okay so since we're both mid mains and I'm somewhat busy, I can do a your mids vs mids for you to generally show you what you should be picking.
(I can't emphasize this enough) your pick should not only be based on your lane opponent. It also depends on things like your team's front line, their team's front line, how much ap vs ad you have, how much ap vs ad they have, how many people with gap closers do you have, how many do they have, how strong is your team's late game, how strong is your team's early game, their team's early and late game, your team's cc vs their team's cc, etc etc.
For example, personally I would never pick talon into a team with a maokai, because he generally hard counters assassins extremely hard.
This also assumes that you play every one of those champions equally good. But you know yourself best, so adjust accordingly.
First, general trends:
- Syndra is the best lane bully you have in terms of harass and poking.
- Malzhar is best lane bully to deny farm and shove lane, strong late game tank buster. Note that he also does fairly well vs ad champions (by far the best from your list).
- Akali most mobile, easiest to get to backline, best roamer post-6. She's also not someone you generally want to pick VERSUS a particular lane opponent, but rather VERSUS an enemy team as a whole.
- Ziggs best champ to stall to late game (for example lets say your have a ryze top kog bot and they have a very strong mid game, dont try to fight them - tell your team to farm up and you just clear waves).
- Orianna is somewhat of a jack of all trades. But she doesn't really excel at anything necessarily. However she provides some really nice cc and engages if you have something like a zac on your team.
- Heimerdinger is a HIGHLY niche pick, and generally can be replaced with one of your other champions anyway even in the rare situations.
- You really don't need to be playing mid rammus - like ever. Again, Malzhar does fairly well vs AD meeles.
Now for actual mid vs mid. (First it's best champ to pick, second is second best, etc. Again, theoretically assuming you play them all around same level)
↑ theelkspeaks wrote:I really like this suggestion, and I've been trying to do something like this - though I'll admit I don't always know which champion from my list is right for a situation. Any chance you could take a look at my current list and help me out with figuring out the cases for when to pick what?
my list from best role to worst role
MID (main role): Malzahar, Orianna, Heimerdinger, Syndra, Ziggs, Akali, Rammus (vs. AD melee only)
Okay so since we're both mid mains and I'm somewhat busy, I can do a your mids vs mids for you to generally show you what you should be picking.
HOWEVER
For example, personally I would never pick talon into a team with a maokai, because he generally hard counters assassins extremely hard.
This also assumes that you play every one of those champions equally good. But you know yourself best, so adjust accordingly.
First, general trends:
- Syndra is the best lane bully you have in terms of harass and poking.
- Malzhar is best lane bully to deny farm and shove lane, strong late game tank buster. Note that he also does fairly well vs ad champions (by far the best from your list).
- Akali most mobile, easiest to get to backline, best roamer post-6. She's also not someone you generally want to pick VERSUS a particular lane opponent, but rather VERSUS an enemy team as a whole.
- Ziggs best champ to stall to late game (for example lets say your have a ryze top kog bot and they have a very strong mid game, dont try to fight them - tell your team to farm up and you just clear waves).
- Orianna is somewhat of a jack of all trades. But she doesn't really excel at anything necessarily. However she provides some really nice cc and engages if you have something like a zac on your team.
- Heimerdinger is a HIGHLY niche pick, and generally can be replaced with one of your other champions anyway even in the rare situations.
- You really don't need to be playing mid rammus - like ever. Again, Malzhar does fairly well vs AD meeles.
Now for actual mid vs mid. (First it's best champ to pick, second is second best, etc. Again, theoretically assuming you play them all around same level)
Spoiler:
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:53 am
lists are fun.
MID: Leblanc / Lux / Swain / Nami / Velkoz
TOP: Swain / Lux / Leblanc / Ashe / Veigar / Velkoz
ADC: Sivir / Ashe / Caitlyn / Leblanc
SUPPORT: Nami / Velkoz / Lux / Lulu / Leblanc / Veigar / Ashe
JUNGLE: Nunu
MID: Leblanc / Lux / Swain / Nami / Velkoz
TOP: Swain / Lux / Leblanc / Ashe / Veigar / Velkoz
ADC: Sivir / Ashe / Caitlyn / Leblanc
SUPPORT: Nami / Velkoz / Lux / Lulu / Leblanc / Veigar / Ashe
JUNGLE: Nunu
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:54 am
↑ Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:disclaimer: my opinions
↑ theelkspeaks wrote:I really like this suggestion, and I've been trying to do something like this - though I'll admit I don't always know which champion from my list is right for a situation. Any chance you could take a look at my current list and help me out with figuring out the cases for when to pick what?
my list from best role to worst role
MID (main role): Malzahar, Orianna, Heimerdinger, Syndra, Ziggs, Akali, Rammus (vs. AD melee only)
Okay so since we're both mid mains and I'm somewhat busy, I can do a your mids vs mids for you to generally show you what you should be picking.
(I can't emphasize this enough) your pick should not only be based on your lane opponent. It also depends on things like your team's front line, their team's front line, how much ap vs ad you have, how much ap vs ad they have, how many people with gap closers do you have, how many do they have, how strong is your team's late game, how strong is your team's early game, their team's early and late game, your team's cc vs their team's cc, etc etc.HOWEVER
For example, personally I would never pick talon into a team with a maokai, because he generally hard counters assassins extremely hard.
This also assumes that you play every one of those champions equally good. But you know yourself best, so adjust accordingly.
First, general trends:
- Syndra is the best lane bully you have in terms of harass and poking.
- Malzhar is best lane bully to deny farm and shove lane, strong late game tank buster. Note that he also does fairly well vs ad champions (by far the best from your list).
- Akali most mobile, easiest to get to backline, best roamer post-6. She's also not someone you generally want to pick VERSUS a particular lane opponent, but rather VERSUS an enemy team as a whole.
- Ziggs best champ to stall to late game (for example lets say your have a ryze top kog bot and they have a very strong mid game, dont try to fight them - tell your team to farm up and you just clear waves).
- Orianna is somewhat of a jack of all trades. But she doesn't really excel at anything necessarily. However she provides some really nice cc and engages if you have something like a zac on your team.
- Heimerdinger is a HIGHLY niche pick, and generally can be replaced with one of your other champions anyway even in the rare situations.
- You really don't need to be playing mid rammus - like ever. Again, Malzhar does fairly well vs AD meeles.
Now for actual mid vs mid. (First it's best champ to pick, second is second best, etc. Again, theoretically assuming you play them all around same level)
Spoiler:
Wow, thanks so much for that - that's some good things to keep in mind! I've found Malzahar tends to get popped a little too easily against Talon and Zed - any tips on those matchups specifically?
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:59 am
↑ theelkspeaks wrote:
Wow, thanks so much for that - that's some good things to keep in mind! I've found Malzahar tends to get popped a little too easily against Talon and Zed - any tips on those matchups specifically?
Play safe. Like really, really safe. Do not let them have a chance to engage on you while you afk shove. Ping MIAs like mad when they're not in lane unless you KNOW they just went back.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:08 am
Vs Zed if you rush seekers then go liandry's->rylais you really shouldn't have any problem vs him. you might be building malzhar too squishy. reason he does well vs ads and general bursty heroes is his build path allows him to build tanky.
The talon matchup is admittedly very very harder. Talon will give almost every midlaner a lot of trouble, but malzhar is actually one of his closest counters. If you can land some good Qs and either have Es bounce to him or just E him you can deal with him fairly easily because he should always be chucking potions and scared to engage you. Thing is, don't be afraid to go aggro level 1/2 on Talon to establish lane dominance. Talon generally doesn't all in you till level 3.
Edit: Oh right to add to wait Ani said, if they ever DO leave lane, Malzhar actually can take towers pretty quickly compared to other APs. And in fact, Malzhar rarely gives breathing room for opponents to even roam.
Edit 2: Oh lol I spell Malzahar without the other a ;_; Maybe it's because that's the way I pronounce it :p
The talon matchup is admittedly very very harder. Talon will give almost every midlaner a lot of trouble, but malzhar is actually one of his closest counters. If you can land some good Qs and either have Es bounce to him or just E him you can deal with him fairly easily because he should always be chucking potions and scared to engage you. Thing is, don't be afraid to go aggro level 1/2 on Talon to establish lane dominance. Talon generally doesn't all in you till level 3.
Edit: Oh right to add to wait Ani said, if they ever DO leave lane, Malzhar actually can take towers pretty quickly compared to other APs. And in fact, Malzhar rarely gives breathing room for opponents to even roam.
Edit 2: Oh lol I spell Malzahar without the other a ;_; Maybe it's because that's the way I pronounce it :p
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:16 am
I'm on such a fucking tilt right now. I lost 4 games in a row and got demoted, because I had trolls or autistic children in all of them. Sometimes I just want to punch through my monitor and never play this fucking shitty game ever again
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:26 am
Or y'know, don't call people autistic because that's an actual disease that affects people and is not something to make fun of?
And try to be less toxic because toxicity only makes you lose more games?
Also, if you're not enjoying this game, then you really shouldn't be playing it. Take a break, go get coffee, make a sandwich, play frisbee.
Also, I don't usually look at the league forums, but this was pretty well said (3rd post): http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/b ... p?t=601581
And try to be less toxic because toxicity only makes you lose more games?
Also, if you're not enjoying this game, then you really shouldn't be playing it. Take a break, go get coffee, make a sandwich, play frisbee.
Also, I don't usually look at the league forums, but this was pretty well said (3rd post): http://forums.euw.leagueoflegends.com/b ... p?t=601581
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:28 am
I'm not a toxic player in general, I actually don't even speak in chat unless people provoke me. It's just sometimes, it's too much, and I have to take a break or take it out on my teammates, which I never like doing or have actually done.
Tilt comes and goes, i'll get over it.
Tilt comes and goes, i'll get over it.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:29 am
↑ Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Also, if you're not enjoying this game, then you really shouldn't be playing it. Take a break, go get coffee, make a sandwich, play frisbee.
that's the best point ever, yep
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:46 am
↑ Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Vs Zed if you rush seekers then go liandry's->rylais you really shouldn't have any problem vs him. you might be building malzhar too squishy. reason he does well vs ads and general bursty heroes is his build path allows him to build tanky.
The talon matchup is admittedly very very harder. Talon will give almost every midlaner a lot of trouble, but malzhar is actually one of his closest counters. If you can land some good Qs and either have Es bounce to him or just E him you can deal with him fairly easily because he should always be chucking potions and scared to engage you. Thing is, don't be afraid to go aggro level 1/2 on Talon to establish lane dominance. Talon generally doesn't all in you till level 3.
Edit: Oh right to add to wait Ani said, if they ever DO leave lane, Malzhar actually can take towers pretty quickly compared to other APs. And in fact, Malzhar rarely gives breathing room for opponents to even roam.
Edit 2: Oh lol I spell Malzahar without the other a ;_; Maybe it's because that's the way I pronounce it :p
Rushing seekers is a good idea. Most of the time on Malz I play the Liandry's->Rylai's build, but going for the early Armor before that might help keep me alive. Thanks!
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:55 am
Regarding talon, he get power spikes at level 4 and 6, and is incredibly weak before that. If you can punish him like crazy from levels 1 - 3, you're gold (especially if he doesn't go flask/pots).
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:59 am
Supp: morgana/leona/braum/blitz
Mid: morgana/ziggs
Jungle: shyvana
Top: ryze
Adc: surrender @ 20
Yeah i have problem
Mid: morgana/ziggs
Jungle: shyvana
Top: ryze
Adc: surrender @ 20
Yeah i have problem
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:47 am
TOP: Teemo/Jayce/Alistar/Thresh
Mid: Teemo/Viktor/Xerath
ADC: Jinx/Trist (i plan to buy and learn vayne soon)
Support: Annie/Janna/Morgana/Thresh
Jungle: Vi/Amumu
Though i tend to be fairly flexible, this is my list for ranked.
EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.
Mid: Teemo/Viktor/Xerath
ADC: Jinx/Trist (i plan to buy and learn vayne soon)
Support: Annie/Janna/Morgana/Thresh
Jungle: Vi/Amumu
Though i tend to be fairly flexible, this is my list for ranked.
EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:52 am
↑ JasonWazza wrote:EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.
and yet... you wonder why you can't have nice things
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:57 am
I hate teemo because nobody I ever play with has the skill or team co-ordination to play him well, so it's a "hope the enemy team screws up somehow" champion.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:59 am
↑ KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:If you suck at a certain role, just borrow a champ from another lane though if it's bronze. Never play top? Pick your adc corki. Never play mid? Play your support zyra. That shit will still work in bronze
I for one have been doing that and it gets me through mid every time. Considering the number of flex picks on the meta these days, I'd say it goes beyond bronze.
I don't know if anyone cares about my fucking METORIC RISE at the moment, but I think I won 5/6 games tonight and I'm Bronze II 91 LP. OMFG so close. I can feel it tingling my arms.
Silver...it's like...legitimacy. Not being a bronze scrub
Have weight in arguments! You guys might listen to me! AHHHHH. Oh within these games I played Heimer twice, once top and once mid, and I think I'm falling in love with him. Mid vs Fizz was the most fun lane I've had in a long time. Against anything melee or dive heavy, I really like him. Rush Hourglass. GG.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:08 am
↑ Maestro wrote:↑ JasonWazza wrote:EDIT: I'm aware everyone hates teemo, i give no fucks.
and yet... you wonder why you can't have nice things
I have nice things, like the cotton tail teemo skin
↑ Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:I hate teemo because nobody I ever play with has the skill or team co-ordination to play him well, so it's a "hope the enemy team screws up somehow" champion.
For me his a greatly underestimated champion that has a global taunt and massive kiting ability, that nearly always completely shuts down the enemy laner.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:10 am
↑ JasonWazza wrote:(i plan to buy and learn vayne soon)
As one player to another - don't. You're
not
doublelift/rekkles. By the time you would be able to play vayne to a level above Bronze V, you'll be plat or higher.Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:20 am
↑ KaleiÐoscøpe wrote:If you suck at a certain role, just borrow a champ from another lane though if it's bronze. Never play top? Pick your adc corki. Never play mid? Play your support zyra. That shit will still work in bronze
Now that jinx and tristana are how they are, I don't know if Vanye is a necessary champion to have in the pool.
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:21 am
Top: Shen, Singed, Maokai
Jungle: Hecarim, Nocturne, Lee Sin, Evelynn, Rengar, Khazix, J4
Mid: Ziggs, Xerath, Syndra, Talon
Support: Braum, Thresh, Leona, Zillean (Plan on getting Nami)
ADC: Corki, Varus, Graves, Lucian
Jungle: Hecarim, Nocturne, Lee Sin, Evelynn, Rengar, Khazix, J4
Mid: Ziggs, Xerath, Syndra, Talon
Support: Braum, Thresh, Leona, Zillean (Plan on getting Nami)
ADC: Corki, Varus, Graves, Lucian
Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:27 am
Top: Wukong/Quinn/Fiora/Pantheon/Mundo
Jungle: Wukong/Warwick/Fiora/Maokai
Mid: Annie/Yasuo/Brand
Adc: Caitlyn/Jinx
Support: Annie/Alistair/Morgana
Jungle: Wukong/Warwick/Fiora/Maokai
Mid: Annie/Yasuo/Brand
Adc: Caitlyn/Jinx
Support: Annie/Alistair/Morgana