In post 3388, bob3141 wrote:[talking about NDMAth] You push me then as soon as my wagon goes. You then say your ok with ouska. Osuka wagon breaks up and tehn your all for IV.
False on ANY number of levels: NDMath (a) never says he is ok with Osuka; (b) never is all for IV (see below).
Spoiler: Osuka quotes
In post 1906, NDMath wrote:Mena's Osuka push is bad. I don't see what the supposed scum equity is.
In post 2152, NDMath wrote:There really isn't an argument for scum!osuka?
lol. -17 hours, with no counterwagon to IV (nothing above 2 IIRC (Osuka breaking apart, Bob not gaining traction, Plus being a brand new one that nobody had weighed). Sure, lots of time.
In post 3397, bob3141 wrote:He choose to vote IV, He choose not to push for any alternative lynch. He didnt say oh at worst IV is VT. He said oh now i think he is scum. He didnt say im voting to avoid no lynch. Which we were still a fair bit from
Again, not at all a fair bit from. Hours from. What alternative lynch had any possibility -- maybe Osuka, whom NDMath had explicitly townread (but of course Bob concealed that fact). More importantly, NDMAth does say exactly what Bob said he didnt -- that it was a compromise on at worst a vt slot that cannot see lylo
Spoiler: relevant IV quotes
In post 2152, NDMath wrote:Would vote IV when there's an urgency to consolidate, but 1518 being basically the entire case is... not sure the word. Like it can't be pressured since there's no defense as either alignment
In post 3133, NDMath wrote:agree with plus's logic that if IV is town I want to get it done with since it's gonna be hard to change enough people's minds (mine included) to not elim him later on.
with 13 votes in play, it took 7 to make a decision. day 1 ended.
I still can't believe IV flipped town, what the hell IV?
Anyway, him being town and sau flip does impact my reads quite a bit.
Kerset claimed gated so i could see them being town still. That or mafia has a roleblocker. Still my TR on them has weakened with flips.
Mena is definitely town imo, scum wouldn't go that hard to save a townie. Super strong obvtown
If osuka is still after mena I think he's probably scumbinned at this point, town wouldn't do that
Shelly is still town
Ndmath is still super scummy
Bob scumlean I think
Teacher i needs to read iso
Andres obvtown
ydrasse seems towny overall, I think the hammer may have been exhaustion
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:30 am
by Andresvmb
NDMath is Town. Let’s stop wasting time.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:31 am
by Andresvmb
We had a hard claimed Cop, who the Scum definitely must have believed, and Kerset who was a Claimed Doctor didn’t protect there? Please. That slot is flipping Scum always.
Oh right, I forgot Saud said that. Yea, to me it seemed obviously fake? I think it was saud simply for being UTR.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:46 am
by teacher
In post 3460, PlusJOYED wrote:I think I want a ndmath, bob, teacher, or osuka elim today
peddit agree on town!taylor atm
I don't think that hammer was a scumtell imo
Plus, my read on you has slipped quite a bit, but I agree with your elimination pool other than me. That's part of my read on you -- I feel like you've been on the OTHER wagons from Mena/Shelley/Ydrasse/Saud (my townleans D1), but had townleans of them/otherwise positioned consistent with them. I feel like the dissonance between your reads of them and your wagon positioning relative to them was one of the reasons people had a hard time consolidating yesterday.
Then look at the VCS around 1.11 through 1.13. If town!taylor, do you really think all three leading wagons are on town?
Talk to me about Kerset, leaving aside the claim.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:53 am
by Andresvmb
In post 3463, teacher wrote:Oh right, I forgot Saud said that. Yea, to me it seemed obviously fake? I think it was saud simply for being UTR.
Yeah to me too to be honest (way too obvious a misplay), but at the same time, Saudade came out and was seriously questioning Ydrasse for the hammer. That also probably got him killed.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:58 am
by Andresvmb
In post 3433, bob3141 wrote:For anyone scum read me. so far this game has hard meta im town
The fact scum decided to shoot saud, a player that was clear VT. As scum i have massive hit rate when it comes to town pr.
In my last town game i spotted all town pr dayone.
You do always say this, I’ll give you that.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:01 am
by Andresvmb
Okay I’ll hard claim this because it’s honestly kind of funny. I can confirm that NDMath is Ascetic. So nobody has to waste time trying to figure out if the Claim is true or not. Now whether it’s a claim coming from Town or Scum I don’t know, but I have a hard time seeing why NDMath as Scum would claim that.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:05 am
by Andresvmb
I think this game is built in a way that the Town all have Scummy looking claims to be honest. I think the purpose of these negative Town roles was to make people suspicious.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:08 am
by Andresvmb
I’m also going to point out that my 599 regarding my Town core is looking better and better by the minute.
In post 3433, bob3141 wrote:For anyone scum read me. so far this game has hard meta im town
The fact scum decided to shoot saud, a player that was clear VT. As scum i have massive hit rate when it comes to town pr.
In my last town game i spotted all town pr dayone.
You do always say this, I’ll give you that.
Bacause i always do hit town pr nigth oen as scum. If VT had been hit the odds of me beign scum is realy small.
Especially a slot like saude who was blatant VT. Seriously don't get why scum nked him as it was a pretty bad kill. He might have been a roundly town read player but n1 and n2 is not the time for those kills. N1 and N2 is for town pr. What's the point in killing a roundly townread player if another player could get an extra clear in the game.
A slot that makes no sense from a kerset perspective either. Why kill the lead when you can kill their backing singers. Nor a town kerset as you either use saud to get him lynched or keep his vote as dead weight.
You can tell not only by the lack of town pr that im town but the fact a night kill happened that i would always override. Just look at my scum pt, see how much of it is me. How much i plan interaction with my buddies.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:11 am
by Andresvmb
Yeah I buy that Bob that’s fine. But you stay in my POE for now. Kerset is still very much the execution today.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:13 am
by Andresvmb
Also shellyc is Town. Sorry for doubting you shelly. You got a bit overly aggressive there and that gave me some Scum pings. But I was wrong I think.
Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:14 am
by Andresvmb
If Kerset actually flips Town btw nuke Teacher. But I have a feeling it won’t.