Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:36 pm
(for the most part)
↑ pirate mollie wrote:
No matter how much i trust ika he is not god, people can be wrong.
also i feel you are town but something is fishy about you. i cant grasp it but my gut is telling me not to trust you.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:sometimes your gut tells you that you ate bad pizza. I think I hold the record for "gut scum reads" when I was not actually scum and ironically it seems to come from scum. the irony being that I am a gut player.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:okay then logically explain as to the scum motivation for swapping into a game with a player who cld read me with 99% accuracy.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:okay then logically explain as to the scum motivation for swapping into a game with a player who cld read me with 99% accuracy.
2 GreyICE (TBD) - Town
Venge: wgeurts
6 wgeurts (Young and Beautiful) - Town
Venge: MS?
1 Alchemist Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)
2 Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
3 Ooba Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)
4 Pirate Mollie EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
5 Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
6 ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)
↑ ZZZX wrote:↑ pirate mollie wrote:sometimes your gut tells you that you ate bad pizza. I think I hold the record for "gut scum reads" when I was not actually scum and ironically it seems to come from scum. the irony being that I am a gut player.
as a fellow gut player I know what you mean. however most of those people are not originally gut players. I am pretty sure you know that I am a gut player.
↑ ZZZX wrote:↑ wgeurts wrote:ZZZX what was your plan?
Leave the main conflict till last?
Why don't we compromise, lynch Metal now to end the conflict and then us two figure out the rest. Metal's flip will shed light on my and ooba's alignment, my flip will just show that my wagon was a counter wagon to MS.
I OFFERED YOU MINE AND OOBA'S VOTE, WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS SCUM?
frankly let me give you a really simple thing to look at
at ooba and metal there is a MAX of 1 scum.
if we lynch everyone but:
Grey
Metal
ooba
me
alchemist
then we are 95% sure to get a scum already,
once we get a scum it will a 4v1
we can lynch both metal and ooba then, and then if we didnt hit scum (which will be rare) it will be a 3p lylo which we can handle easily (we will never reach this unless some dark magic happens anyway)
while you get rid of metal now if they were actually town like my hunch then following ur plan it will be a 5p lylo 3 days later.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:
ank has ooba and zzthing as a scumteam.bulba is yelling at me for voting metal. I have yet to see a good reason as to why metal is town except for nacho's and a bit of the aTe. if ooba is scum then comes down to a definitive fuck you to ooba from me.
this is where I am at.
I kinda wanna lynch grey now cos of the fade on pinpointed scumreads. I feel like he is trying to blend in.
eta: oh wow a grey wagon has sprung up. zzthing where did you mention that looked at organic chemistry? cld you plz link?
↑ pirate mollie wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
Huh! this is allowed! I should have done that when i was crying
but it is a one-shot thing. maybe i shouldnt.
hi alchemist!! I reade you as a bit town in your game but wasnt strong enough to call molla to STOP YOUR WAGON. I was right
erm. this has already happened in this game as in I swapped with eddie?
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I mean I can sit back and just be a bargaining piece of chattel cos that is more or less how you, zzthing and metal are treating me.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
I'm discussing things with Titus and BBT right now. They're both running VCA's. We're all in agreement MS is likely Town, and 1.4 here shows he was a likely counterwagon to two players that flipped scum.
Personally, I think that interaction between Ooba and Mollie looks like Town-Town, and Wgeurts went away when I pointed out an incinsistency in his play. I'm thinking a wgeurts-greyIce team is likely, and Titus and BBT agree with at least the wgeurts lynch (they both think Ooba could be scum, and Titus has ZZZX in her lynchpool, but that's her least confident read.)
VOTE: wgeurts
If you guys still want to do Nacho's plan, I could switch to GI.
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:mollie it is 2 am in the morning and I am going to die in the night again!
I work best under pressure ----> remember red wedding mafia I caught scum only at l-1 and I flipped town but 1. town didn't listen to me 2. I died
Let's not have any of that happening in this game cos I want to be involved every part of this game unfold
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
She said no, and you should be talking with your team about what you should be doing as Town.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:We've got MS, ZZZX, and Mollie who've all played with me.
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:i am going to fight you as hard as I can.
↑ Zar wrote:
ROBOT HERE DISAGREES WITH FAULTY LOGIC TRAIN.
As in, why are you fundamentally disagreeing with analazying associatives?
And FTR, there's no way I'm going to be your Hoopla 2.0 here. I mean, a big part of your argument for this day has been "follow the Nacho Brick Road" (yes Nacho, you're going to have to pay me royalties after branding your plan), which as much as it got us two scum I will say isn't infallible since I know I'm town and GreyICE is very much confirmed town at this stage. Besides, evaluating and re-reading for partnerships is the actual correct play here since a) there is no such thing as a "scum bloc" anymore and b) rushing out to mislynching is only going to help scum to go about the venge-kills to their benefit.
ZZZX: is there a particular reason you left the VCA up to the Hoopla wagon instead of going further?
↑ pirate mollie wrote:I feel like metal has made some spectacularly scummy posts.
↑ pirate mollie wrote:↑ Alchemist21 wrote:That's one of the main things I look for. It may not = scum every time, but it does enough times to warrant looking into imo.
I disagree. town are inconsistent all of the time. in fact, the more static a read is for a player the more likely I am going to think them scum.
↑ ooba wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:He tried to venge Abr and grey.
You may want to ask yourself why he isn't venging me or zar if we are both his top scumreads.
Ooba isn't thinking.
Grey venge was a knee-jerk reaction. ABR-venge is in line with his thoughts all throughout the day.
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:
If you don't honour the town block that nacho set,
You have already shown that the town has gone to nothing
And nacho's plan would never have worked from the beginning.
↑ ooba wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:His thoughts were "zar is scum" and "sonic is scum". He was helping you all the way today in pushing for my mislynch.
Before he posted the above venge, I was about to post something along "looking at wgeurts venge choices, I'm never honoring his venge". Ah, but I guess that now it's on me, it makes me shady doesn't it.
The top sentence talks about him as if he was scum. If he's scum, we're obviously not honouring the venge.
The bottom sentence doesn't make sense - we go ahead with a town vengeful lynch irrespective of how wishy-washy you personally think that town was.
↑ wgeurts wrote:
Varying levels of frustration and more when we actually got 2 scum lynches in a row.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Nacho's plan never included wge in the town block. But it has ooba in it. That is why I am fidgety, because I think that ooba is playing extremely well from a scum perspective but reasonably paranoid (an oxymoron) from a town
Wasn't the other half of the Nacho plan to keep following his scumreads until a Townflip? It seemed earlier you liked the plan because it had given us 2 scum and hadn't been wrong yet. It seems like you've praised one half of the plan, but you're saying the other half was never going to work out.
P-edit: Ah. Remind me what the full Townblock of Nacho's looks like.
↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Mollie doesn't die.
Ooba doesn't die.
ABR doesn't die.
Metal Sonic doesn't die.
ZZZX doesn't die.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:
Mollie said the wgeurts wagon looked like a CW to you as well, but I didn't see you say anything to her about it.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:If MS flips Town I'd personally much rather lynch wgeurts over Ooba.
↑ Alchemist21 wrote:"Ooba would be a cuckold?"
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:So I am going to fight you like I would normally have.
↑ wgeurts wrote:
Before:
Ooba's in that list Sonic,
ICE will venge Alchemist
Alchemist doesn't have full game knowledge and will probably fuck up
Yeah I'm pretty sure this a GREAT plan
I'll lynch ICE but if she flips town I'm going to not touch the venge.
Meaning you're going to need 100% of the other town on any wagon to succeed.
Birds of Prey wrote:Titus's awesome wall of win
Version 2
Town no one should ever vote for
ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.
Probable town
Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.
Null
Notscience - total lurksack. Hasn't cast a vote yet Day 5. TSO had to be dragged to vote YnB despite scumreading them. It was an early vote though.
Action Dan - He gets bumped up due to his efforts to communicate earlier without buzzwords or spam. I am not liking his lack of pushes towards scum suspects but he's at least trying to defend his YnB town position.
SK suspect
Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.
Scum suspect pool
- Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.Kagami
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people. Has not engaged with people beyond shos. That is scum indicator that shos is the sk. It would explain missing kills.
- Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.Young and Beautiful
- Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark. Satires BoP rather than producing contentBBMolla
Cephrir wrote:
notscience has been endgamed. He was.Kohaku, Town Human Shardholder Puppet
ActionDan has been endgamed. He was.Kaede, Town Human Poison Doctor
Egg has been endgamed. He was.Myoga, Town Demon Nonconsecutive Tracker
The-- consisting of:Naraku Mafia
;BBmolla -- Naraku, Naraku Mafia Demon Commutifier 1-shot Reviver 1-shot Self-Protector
; andYoung and Beautiful -- Byakuya, Naraku Mafia Demon Roleblocker 1-shot Double Roleblocker
...Kagami -- Kanna, Naraku Mafia Demon Nonconsecutive Modified Redirector
have won InuYasha Mafia!