A Musical Mafia! (Game over)

[Dwlee99]

I hate this game

[SirCakez]

Coasting, opportunism, lack of scumhunting throughout both days.
Dwlee

[True Ogre]

Okay, thanks again.

Dwlee, what's your favourite PC game?

[Skybird]

Mirhawk, one of the reasons you wanted to lynch Ranger was because Ranger thought I was town and defended me. You also said that you would use the Ranger flip to figure me out. (post 2305) Ranger flipped town. And yet, you are still scum reading me. I don't see the logic there. You pushed for a mislynch and now you are pushing for a second one.

That's a nice try but I was scumreading you before I even developed a read on Ranger.

The post which you're talking about says that I was looking for Ranger's flip to further validate the position I already had.

OK, but how does Ranger flipping town validate your read on me? I could see your point if I had pushed for Ranger's lynch, but I had a feeling she was town and refused to vote there.

[Marquis]

what's that quote about apathy again? or was it indifference?... just as bad as active malice

in this case that's still scummy as heck, like even more than pushing for ranger's lynch would be. at least then you would look like you had some sort of investment in a read

[Marquis]

I'm here and will be checking in frequently. I'm still OK with my FS vote. I feel Ranger is town and won't be voting there.

I am 100% okay with lynching Ranger to sort other people.

I'm looking to justify my Skybird read this way in fact.

I'm town reading Ranger. I'm not going to vote them. What about this is going to help you sort me?

Darn, I just knew my town reads on Ranger and Tammy were correct.

I need to look at tictac before I vote there. I didn't really pay much attention to him yesterday.

Skybird's posts immediately before and after the Ranger lynch.

you guys...

[Marquis]

Like if you're townreading someone and you're town, you want to stop them from being lynched or at least make a push somewhere else. Skybird's done none of that; she just said Ranger was town to her which obviously did nothing for anyone and effectively stayed quiet about the lynch and other lynch options.

Her play here looks like it's all based on getting her positioning right, not getting on the Ranger wagon but she has no real investment in any other vote because Ranger was going to end up the mislynch anyway. And now as expected she's using this to be able to say "but you guys I didn't want the mislynch". Well, saying it and acting on it are two different things. What Skybird's done here with Ranger is par for the course for a player this much more experienced with town than scum - I'm holding her towngame to a much higher standard than this, but not her scumgame.

She was also townreading Spiffeh just as much as Tammy yet chose not to mention his death.

[Skybird]

OK, am I at L-1? I think so.

The reason I mentioned Tammy is because I targeted her with my 1 shot kingmaker role N1. She was my strongest town read and I wanted to make sure that I got to use my PR since so many people thought I was scum. I had no idea she was lovers with Spiffeh. (Though thanks for thinking I'm smart enough to pick up on that Marquis!)

[Cerberus v666]

Fire Emblem was like the largest Day 1 in MS history and had some pretty awesome mechanics with children/players *entering* the game.
Have fun with that

I QUESTION THIS STATEMENT

What's to question?

Largest days in a Large Game
# Game Day Posts Notes
1 Fire Emblem: Awakening Mafia. Day 1 4198

I thought it was fun

Pretty sure it was the largest game for a bit too.

WERE YOU IN IT? O.O

Saga Frontier Mafia, which ended a couple months ago, is now the largest Day 1 in terms of post count. Didn't quite beat Smite for largest game though.

Dram might be questioning the awesomeness of the games mechanics though? Dunno. Anyways.

Sure TO, it's passive. Have I claimed to be anything other than that in this game? You guys aren't lynching my scumreads, and want to kill my town reads, so yes, I'm not going to actively assist in either of those objectives.

Skybird: kingmaker? Also, flavor claim please, I apologize if you did it earlier and I missed it.

[Dwlee99]

Okay, thanks again.

Dwlee, what's your favourite PC game?

League of legends.

I hate this game, though because people won't lynch TPP. Maybe I'm going to become a problem for doing this but I refuse to move my vote. :3

[SirCakez]

What the hell is a kingmaker?

[Dwlee99]

What the hell is a kingmaker?

vote tpp

[Axelrod]

Is that "Target someone and then the next day that person (and that person only) gets to decide who the lynch is?"

So what you're saying is, there's no way to prove this now, because the person you targeted died?

I'd also be interested in hearing your actual role/name/flavor.

[Mirhawk]

Yeah, I think the king gets the final say in any lynch or something like that. The wiki page is kinda unhelpful for this one. Not sure if Skybird's claim is too convenient or not. It would have been super conformable if it had targeted anyone other then Tammy, but its' still possible.

I've never actually seen a kingmaker role, but I can't think of any reason for there to not be one either.

[Mirhawk]

Mirhawk is commonly mislynched?

I do get mislynched on occasion, but I don't think I would classify myself as commonly mislynched.

[Mirhawk]

Basically in all games Cakez gets lynched and then occasionally he is actually scum, but that really didn't happen this game.

For the record I find it super bothersome when someone is just given a handwave because of how others perceive their behavior.

"It's just Skybird/Cakez/Davesto/Dramonic who cares if they act like scum. It's not scummy when they do it".

These people are just as likely to be scum as anyone else, and insisting that they are not accountable for their behavior is just terrible play.

Are they supposed to wear a goddamn sign when they are scum or something? How would you ever know if you chose to just never push them because they're "lynchbait".

This isn't really addressed to pip in particular, but rather a whole bunch of you in general.

[Mirhawk]

I don't even see cakes in jerodau of being lynched right now

I know, it's frustrating.

[Mirhawk]

SO VOTE TPP CERB

only one with an actual case besides "u playbad"

You remember Ranger right? Where everyone waa sure they were scum, and I refused because I don't vote my town reads? Yeah. Same situation here. I'll be extremely surprised and duly impressed if they flip scum.

Dude I know I said it yesterday too, but I think you're having trouble understanding the "team" aspect of this game.

Withholding your vote so you can throw it in everyone's faces tomorrow is bad play.

Town HAS to lynch every day if they want to win (there are some circumstances where there is an advantage in not, but those are special). I still don't think that statements to the effect of I'm not voting anyone else period, regardless of weather they can be lynched or not is antitown.

There has to be a level of compromise in town because nobody has perfect scumreads.

I want Cakez, but am willing to settle for Skybird. Who are your ancillary scumreads?

[Mirhawk]

Well I guess Mala's going nowhere today for some reason despite looking to me like a super-solid option that probably most people agree with.

I suggest we get this show on the road if you're voting Skybird because she already said she wants to claim prior to lynch.

Anyway.

UNVOTE: Malakittens
VOTE: The Pied Piper

Deadline:

(expired on 2016-04-22 21:00:00)

I am for the record, down with Mala. I'm not sure who the other people you're talking about are though. I haven't noticed a great deal of suspicion cast her way.

[Mirhawk]

Agree with Ogre about the lovers crumb for the record. The likelihood of scum having noticed it before the flip is minuscule.

[Skybird]

Cerb, I'm Oscar Jaffee from On the Twentieth Century.

[davesaz]

So IMO that's not a role that can be given to scum without compromising balance to the point of impossibility. The claim strengthens my town read.

So are we going to lynch town, or try to switch it to someone else?

[Mirhawk]

Itle wtf are those colors supposed to mean?

Second this.

Nobody else can understand your reads if they're in some kind of code. The only one that makes sense is mine.

[Skybird]

I'm down with a cakez lynch. (And yeah, here come all the post about me trying to save my neck.)

[Cerberus v666]

I refused to vote TPP, mirhawk. Not skybird. And trust me, I'm more aware of what optimal town play is, with regards to mechanics and such, than you're likely to believe, given your lack of experience of with me.

In any case, I withhold my vote period. I could go drag up the VCs from the lynch vc in all of my games on site if you'd like, and show you that exactly how infrequently I'm actually on a wagon. Anyways, my point is compromise is a thing which is necessary, but, quite simply, it's incredibly rare for a game to need ME to compromise in order to ensure a lynch occurs.

This game isn't any different than the others.

To answer your other question: the only people whose flips I'm particularly interested in seeing are yourself, axel, and cakez. And axel I have absolutely no good reason to scum read. I just know his posts haven't sat well with me, but gut feelings aren't something I work off of, so, he's not very important. Skybird I wouldn't object to, and the same with mala/dramonic, but in those cses it's because of the lack of things to work with coming from the slots.

Pedit: davesaz, it's unproveable. And there's basically no chance of it actually being in the game, making it a safe fake claim. I agree that if true, it's pretty obvtown, but it's not something we can verify, and using her claim as a defense is terrible as a result.

With that said, we can always lynch mirhawk.