Fire on the Mountain [Over]

[Ankamius]

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

[Liger_Zero]

I don't think that will get traction.
GL with that.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Yes.

I was thinking the same thing

He says a lot of stuff that's

almost

right and then does things that are just a little wrong.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Nerfedbuj

VOTE: shoshin
see things like this are far better to read into when you can compare how the "play" is used as both alignments..

Xtox is town. He easily could have stayed on my wagon if he were scum but he's thinking steps deeper. He caught what I was doing (building a wagon) & moved off as soon as he saw DT's scummy reaction. His earlier posts were already townish but this solidifies the read for me.

but for a reaction test you've never used first hand im just a little more pinged by the overconfidence here. Xtom voting you and then dt isn't what I'd call a deep thought process but more a thing that he did.

DT's likely scum. I don't see town DT responding this strongly to a self-vote when he knows that townies do it all the time. His inability to keep straight whether he's pushing me as a PL or pushing me as scummy scum feels like scum who wants me to get lynched for the self-vote but doesn't want to seem scummy for exclusively pushing a PL. He's also blatantly buddying up to EE in ways that feels like scum/town.

And could you unpack this a bit more?

re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not. :D
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he lead a mislynch on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

VOTE: Nerfedbuj
About time boys

This happens like every game feels like; starting to wonder if it's me. :p
Anyway I rushed a little bit but I'm pretty up to speed now.

Jingle at least trying to dig that far into eagle's vedith tunnel isn't something you see from scum too much[glad he did because it really brought to light how contrived it turned out to be in spots like; nitpick the read. Why are you holding vedith of all people to this impossibly high standard where everything they're doing needs to be 100% telegraphed?

eagles also the worst vote on my wagon ; runner up is ali



Rei is town.
Prince is town.
shoshin... meh? gotta be honest this read is up and down every other page feels like and id almost flip it for that reason alone
VOTE: eagle

Liger, answer me this

Which one of these are different than the rest?

[Liger_Zero]

None of those posts mean much to me.

[Liger_Zero]

1353 probably makes eagle town.

[Ankamius]

Shoshin was town... awkward justification for the vote
Xtoxm is likely town... awkward justification for the vote
Eagle is town... awkward justification for the vote

yet the BuJ wagon was the one he had no problems pushing

if his scumgame really is that weak, RVS voting a scumbuddy is mildly indicative too lol

[Extrapolated Eagle]

i'm going through Buj's ISO to try and find anything redeeming and upon skim I'm not seeing anything

[Ankamius]

plus parking a vote on a scumbuddy for half the day is a pretty low-level distancing tactic that I could see grapes doing, it's not like BuJ was under a whole lot of pressure despite being the top wagon for a while

and the way that BuJ handled the Shoshin read throughout that point is really low level NAIish sorting too

I don't think this flips town

[Extrapolated Eagle]

:V

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You're not going to like what I'm about to say.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

:V

This is the face you're about to make.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I think you're probably scum w/ him, if he flips scum.

[Ankamius]

:V

[Ankamius]

you'll help me bus, right eagle?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

you'll help me bus, right eagle?

Yeah...

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You have no idea how much it hurts me to say that

But especially in the fact that I pushed Buj last time we were reading the thread with the same thoughts and it was ignored

and then there was a complete reversal today but only after I pushed you a little bit for it

[Extrapolated Eagle]

like I felt like I had to pull to get you to see the same game I was seeing.

also you used a different vote count from me

[Ankamius]

You have no idea how much it hurts me to say that

But especially in the fact that I pushed Buj last time we were reading the thread with the same thoughts and it was ignored

and then there was a complete reversal today but only after I pushed you a little bit for it

I was townreading BuJ until I actually looked at the VCs, Enter

DT is the obvious answer to the issues I was having with that gamestate and it doesn't resolve into BuJ-scum until you look past that entire exchange

[Ankamius]

that VC didn't say anything though

the one I used was right after grapes joined the BuJ wagon

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I won't push you as scum right now, and TBH I'm going to continue to town read you until Buj flips scum.

It's possible I'm completely wrong on you.
I really WANT to be completely wrong on you.

I'm just really afraid that I'm not.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Talk about these, please:

Frozen Angel's first posts weren't particularly manipulative which is why I changed my vote, if anyone's wondering.

Did anyone else have this reaction to FA's posts?

1. does it matter

2. should he need a reason to change his rvs vote

3. is any of this actually ai even though it looks ai

this my super easy rqs round where all the questions have the same answer!

Reactions matter, yes. The issue isn't whether he needs a reason to change his vote, it's whether a townie would react the way he did.

I was de-compiling everything about it

Does it matter? - Scum intent is to pocket, town intent is to bait

Should he need a reason? No, giving one is bad

Is any of this AI? Only if you ignore half of the variables like you did

VOTE: Shoshin

Whether he needed a reason to change his vote. That's crucial to figuring out his intent regarding FA.

Now whether

I

personally felt that way about FA, no, I don't think FA can exploit me at all beyond making herself out to be complete lynchbait. That's a form of manipulation in the sense that you can technically eat ice cream through your nose.

When it comes to reactions the only ones that really matter are his, FA's, and anyone who has played in games with both of them.

[Ankamius]

it's a playstyle quirk of mine, Enter

I look for specific things when I read through the game, and my initial pass at getting a gamestate read depends almost entirely on my reads and how they interact with each other

it's actually pretty common for this to happen as my read on the game gets better

[Ankamius]

idk what exactly you're looking for from me with those

I don't know Lycanfire enough to know how his playstyle works and I know it comes from town... that's it :V

[Extrapolated Eagle]

it's a playstyle quirk of mine, Enter

I look for specific things when I read through the game, and my initial pass at getting a gamestate read depends almost entirely on my reads and how they interact with each other

it's actually pretty common for this to happen as my read on the game gets better

fair

idk what exactly you're looking for from me with those

I don't know Lycanfire enough to know how his playstyle works and I know it comes from town... that's it :V

I can't read them

I just wanted to know if you could