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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:51 pm
by Brian Skies
In post 3474, Hench Princesses wrote: In post 3472, Brian Skies wrote:As opposed to the plethora of other reasons that could explain the lack of a kill on N3?
given imperium's flip I'm not sure I'd say there's a "plethora" of reasons for a no kill in this thread but that's more a discussion I'd rather have if we actually get into it
-E
Yeah, but while that's an acceptable train of thought
now
, is it really one to have at the beginning of the game when we don't really have much knowledge of the setup?
Not to mention the existence of things like roleblocker or jailkeeper or commuter type roles.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:52 pm
by Brian Skies
Anyhow, I'm not really saying this is a good reason to scumread Gyx. Just that I feel like NachoTammy are looking for reasons to scumread Pooky and townread Gyx. And it's especially concerning considering they literally responded to that Gyx quote here:
In post 460, Imperium wrote: In post 357, Gypyx wrote:Also, we don't necessarly *need* to get out all of the scum of a thread by n2, like, if we do it by n3 there will be a nokill which is a pretty clear sign?
This is dangerous because scum could intentionally no kill for this purpose.
Please don’t consider yourselves all ICs if that happens.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:52 pm
by Hench Princesses
I mean... I kinda think yeah? Like most people were not super optimistic about hitting all the scum by EoD2 even if we still wanted to try to go for it.
anyway if this was already beamed sorry -e
In post 4640, Deacon Blues wrote:NACHO, TAMMY NOTES FROM THE NIGHT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD
PART 2 - THE REVERSE THREAD
Nacho posted a list of his confident townreads in the reverse thread.
Superbowl9
Petapan
Deacon Blues
Dandelion Wine
Firebringer
Tenet/upside down sinkhole
I don't think these were in any particular order.
Nacho said that midway almost made the cut on the strength of peta's day 1 read, but felt he needed more scrutiny
Nacho would have wanted to elim skitter30 in the reverse timeline day 1. He told us we need to calm some of you down and get 'er done.
Nacho doesn't think superbowl is scum (this is a theme...)
Tammy expressed concerns that Dandelions didn't fight the FL elim. Cabd explained the toddler-needs-dad thing going on at the time.
Tammy thought LLD's posts felt performative and expressed that she was not townreading LLD at all. She expressed concern that Deacon-ffery townread LLD so easily based on her interactions with superbowl. She said that LLD putting a vote on pooky while reacting in a "lolwtf" over flavor getting buried felt way off. She mentioned that Nacho had pointed out that she'd picked out several posts on day 1 that ffery would never make as scum, though.
Tammy thought that in a Dandelion/LLD/pooky scum world, the whole push was planned and that at least one of those three would have had a better reaction to what was going on. She thought that Cabd and Flavor Leaf would have had a different set of interactions given how closely they worked together in the Xeno game. She agreed he was being annoying as hell and wasn't easy to work with. She went on to say that she felt pooky went from refusing to give the forwards thread much interactions or reads or anything (basically an activity level of 10 mph, to hammering his turnstile, and going to 90 miles an hour in the reverse thread. Sh thought he looked like he had a clear agenda. She said that she was focusing on pooky's 150 performance in the reverse thread after giving the forwards thread 10. She reiterated basically the same argument about pooky twice in this post. It was rambly.
Nacho said he felt pooky-scum very strongly when ffery asked if pooky-scum or not.
Tammy wrote a post about LLD's early posting saying that LLD felt schmoozy fake-laughing like at bad jokes at an office party. It went on and on from there with cards against humanity games and stifled boredom and there's no way I can do it justice via paraphrase. you'll have to read it postgame. It's post 299.
Tammy suggested that Cabd NOT fake a guilty and just yell about skitter until we elim her. (this is partially a joke but yelling about skitter was serious)
Tammy loved Firebringer this game and doesn't care what his alignment is, he's a bright spot in a barbaric thread.
Nacho said that Midwaybear's post 34 was strange. Midway suggested that we should send over PRs who are stronger in the other thread. He said it so matter of factly that it sounded like he's confident he knows how things work. Then midway went on to point out that that idea wouldn't work because players would be outed. Then he voted himself for turnstile.
Tammy went back to the issue of cabd/midway/LLD day end weirdness again. She questioned herself again over expecting a better response if they had all known what was coming when pooky turnstiled over. She felt less so about midway on this, but also had been thinking that her earlier townread on him was bad, and thought that first thinking about LLD and then saying not felt strange. She reiterated that Cabd and LLD would have coordinated better than for them to both be there and not knowing what to do. She said that having to deal with an infant at that time made perfect sense for not being there. And she questioned why FL self-hammered as town there.
Nacho said he didn't understand why midway ended up voting Annie Edison. And didn't understand why he ended up voting for FL after having him as a lean town. Nacho liked his self confidence, but noted it was in short spates. He liked midway's post 261, but said it was not enough to solidify him as town. Nacho wanted to press him on his thoughts when he made these stances.
Tammy said she'd be surprised if Firebringer was telling the truth about his role.
Nacho reiterated a few times that he did NOT want us to turnstile anyone to the Forwards Thread today.
And, last but not least, Nacho gave me the sacred duty of getting along with superbowl today and working to get him into the Purple Room. Tlaloc knows I'm trying!
I <3 this neighborhood so much! Miss you guys! Hope I've done your thoughts justice!
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:57 pm
by Hench Princesses
muffin 2 questions:
1- what's your read of Dunn?
2- why do I need to ask this question?
-E
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:59 pm
by Brian Skies
Oh, I forgot about that.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:01 pm
by zMuffinMan
prob makes you feel special thinking youre achieving something? i dunno, you tell me
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:04 pm
by Hench Princesses
I can't tell, his name does not appear in your iso. You make some snark about unwnd but nothing that strikes me as a read, outside of not including them in your PoE. One would posit you therefore find the slot town, but I have no idea what reasoning you'd have for that read. I mostly just thought it was impressive that Dunn is up to 70 posts and you had yet to say his name (still have yet to actually)
-E
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:06 pm
by zMuffinMan
unless you think im scum with he who must not be named, what's your point?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:08 pm
by Hench Princesses
The point is I just need to understand the reasoning on more of your reads. My hydra partner thinks you're a good lim. If I am to rebut her argument, I need to be able to explain why I don't think you were pocketing me d1. To make that argument, I need to understand the thought process you use toward your townreads, or your thought process more in general. I must peer inside the muffin, to see whether inside is chocolate or lemon. Deep, deep inside the muffin. Where there is still warmth left from the oven.
-E
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:11 pm
by zMuffinMan
i dont actually care what you or your partner do, so carry on i suppose
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 7:16 pm
by Hench Princesses
There is no warmth left inside the muffin, only cold scumminess and weird artificial butterscotch-flavored chips.
- Scorpia
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:06 pm
by Bell
I've never met warm muffin.
I agree on SB town.
Is Annie/Deacon not happening? Can that wait?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:11 pm
by Bell
I keep making posts to defend muffin
.
@Petapan: Yeah, I was wondering. It's like, you TR'd me for pushback in smoke filled chamber too. Though that is a consistent reaction and the reflex means you're learning what few bags of tricks I have as scum (and I have like, no bags of tricks). I don't agree that I'm being arrogant though. Even when I was pushing at Shelly I was apologizing to her in case I was wrong.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:17 pm
by zMuffinMan
*shrug* don't blame me, i've apparently been sitting in the back of brian's freezer
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:21 pm
by Bell
I'm just an omgus fish and feel that as town or scum the only thing I really bring to the table is that i'm significantly more difficult to eliminate as town when I'm town. Since I can't really emulate a town thought process as scum yet. I'd probably have broken down already if I were scum in this game. Then again. Maybe not. Eh. Not as many reads at least. Well, doesn't matter significantly, yet.
@muffin, I'm rather uncertain? you've always had a good sense of humor, but warm isn't what I come to expect when I play with or push at you. I think they're just using rhetoric to push at you.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:23 pm
by Bell
Oh,
muffin is refusing to give out reads or rush them.
Classic.
Why did they even ask.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:24 pm
by Bell
@Deacon, kk.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:27 pm
by zMuffinMan
i mean, if it was a sensible question, i might have given a reasonable answer (...maybe), but the question was answered by the asker like 10 seconds later soooooo that about sums up how motivated i felt to answer that
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:28 pm
by Hench Princesses
In post 3489, Bell wrote:but warm isn't what I come to expect when I play with or push at you. I think they're just using rhetoric to push at you.
If by "rhetoric" you mean a thing called a "joke" then yes.
My actual reason was the mismatch between the townread of Shelly and if not stating a scumread on A50, suspecting him at every turn, but then acting like it was impossible to choose between A50 and Shelly once there was more of a wagon on Shelly, combined with the reaction to Shelly's claim, looking as if he immediately believed it, arguing for town Shelly, but ending his thoughts with undercutting his own read so as not to derail the wagon.
I said all this earlier but everyone other than PistachioMuffin, Gypyx, and Dunnstral ignored it.
-Scorpia
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:30 pm
by Bell
Jokes are rhetoric too.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:31 pm
by Bell
This is inarguable. Don't bullshit me.
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:33 pm
by zMuffinMan
i cant even muster the motivation to respond to that case sarcastically, that how bad your interpretation of my posts is
like at least if it was just regular bad i'd be able to poke fun at it but i honestly dont think you got a single thing correct, which might be uniquely bad in the history of bad muffin cases
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:33 pm
by Bell
I feel like your argument is missing something. How do you note the difference between someone who isn't sure and usually fence sits until they feel really good about a read and somebody who's just letting a miselimination happen?
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:37 pm
by Hench Princesses
Mufffin what if I said I think you should be fucking hard pushing dunn as scum
I think he is the deepscum. I think I can explain why.
Insomnia thoughts
Duunn scum
Skitter scum
Notes to self : read skitter early game
Note to thread scorpia is not on board with dunn scum yet
But I feel like a lot of pieces just clicked into place for me
Or I am jjust having delusions as I pass out
I will explain in morning if more of this stilll makes sense to me
-e
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:37 pm
by zMuffinMan
oh wait, finally mustered the motivation
congratulations on being unique