Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

6 to lynch

Seraphim: 4 (Albert B. Rampage, Green Crayons, ZEEnon, PhilyEc)
ZEEnon: 3 (Korlash, Gorrad, Seraphim)
Gorrad: 1 (Xtoxm)
Albert B. Rampage: 1 (GLaDOS)

Not Voting: 2 (Mastin, Jebus)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mastin replaces Giuseppe. Thanks, and welcome to the game Mastin!

OH SHIT NOT THIS GUY LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

OTH we policy lynched zwet for his posts being too short, so...

[Albert B. Rampage]

<3 Mastin

You're going to counterbalance PhilyEc perfectly. For every question PhilyEc asks, Mastin will provide five answers! No, six!!

Now I

know

this game is going to be fun.

[PhilyEc]

<3 Mastin

You're going to counterbalance PhilyEc perfectly. For every question PhilyEc asks, Mastin will provide five answers! No, six!!

Now I

know

this game is going to be fun.

Hes doing it to me somewhere else

[Albert B. Rampage]

<3 Mastin

You're going to counterbalance PhilyEc perfectly. For every question PhilyEc asks, Mastin will provide five answers! No, six!!

Now I

know

this game is going to be fun.

Hes doing it to me somewhere else

I know

Me too, and that's how I noticed him doing it to you too. Ahhh newbie games. I just hope he doesn't scare anyone off the site!! LOL

[PhilyEc]

Haha, now now, I'm getting a chance to read his posts one by one so I think I'll survive this time. Hes probably not so destructive as I think (knock on wood).

Back to Topic,

Albert, what do you think of Gorrad & Korlash? I dont know which is scum but I think either are paired with Seraphim. Its a massive hunch to be perfectly honest but these little things building between them, their similar votes and suspicions make me wonder. I'm going to reread the game to get to a proper answer myself towards the Q Im asking you.
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[Albert B. Rampage]

Green (or Erg0 Green, whichever you prefer being called): I remember PhilyEc's "most recent squander". He thought that unvotes were absolutely necessary before voting anew.

[Mastin]

is indeed a bad idea, but if you have any idea of who is mafia at the moment I'd like to hear your opinion.

A death scene would help determine that, but as we have no death scene to go off of, my speculation:

1: Arrancar. They're the only hollows who are actually in a team. Really, flavor-wise, can you think of any three hollows that work together, besides Arrancar? As to what they're called, no clue. I know, it's many arcs early (Arrancar are in the Arrancar arc, and in the Anime, that's not 'til ~110; this is in the first arc, apparently), but it makes sense.
2: Sosuke Aizen, Ichimaru Gin, and the third traitor captain. They're the big bad guys, after all, in Bleach.

3: CRAZY WILD THEORY: Ichigo Kurosaki and Uryu Ishida. I would be down-right shocked if this were the case, but it is a possibility.

And then there's always the three-hollow pair people seem to think, even though our serial killer was just a plain ol' hollow.

You're going to counterbalance PhilyEc perfectly. For every question PhilyEc asks, Mastin will provide five answers! No, six!!

Now I know this game is going to be fun.

So...I don't have to hold back on post length? SWEET.

Though, of course, reviewing the thread, I will still be holding back, as I imagine that it'd overload even the best readers here if I were to go all-out.

Me too, and that's how I noticed him doing it to you too. Ahhh newbie games. I just hope he doesn't scare anyone off the site!! LOL

Bah. Me, scare someone off the site? Nah. They just night kill me instead.

[PhilyEc]

A death scene would help determine that, but as we have no death scene to go off of, my speculation:

1: Arrancar. They're the only hollows who are actually in a team. Really, flavor-wise, can you think of any three hollows that work together, besides Arrancar? As to what they're called, no clue. I know, it's many arcs early (Arrancar are in the Arrancar arc, and in the Anime, that's not 'til ~110; this is in the first arc, apparently), but it makes sense.
2: Sosuke Aizen, Ichimaru Gin, and the third traitor captain. They're the big bad guys, after all, in Bleach.

3: CRAZY WILD THEORY: Ichigo Kurosaki and Uryu Ishida. I would be down-right shocked if this were the case, but it is a possibility

Sorry I meant, which players, not characters, my bad.

I think theyre going to be some of the beginning hollows though. One could very well be a disguiser though, the one that killed 'Kaien'. Remember? Black haired dude? This is speculation but since Zwet was such a minor hollow I'd go on to assume this hollow slaying competition contains all the first hollow characters =P Using their traits as reps for their powers. (ie. Zwet was a scum SK but also his character was previously a Japanese Serial Killer, his soul turned hollow.

Me too, and that's how I noticed him doing it to you too. Ahhh newbie games. I just hope he doesn't scare anyone off the site!! LOL

Bah. Me, scare someone off the site? Nah. They just night kill me instead.

Unless you be scum o.o

[Gorrad]

Seraphim, it's L-2. Now would be an ideal time to claim.

Welcome to the game, Mastin. Looking forward to reading some speculation as to who is scum as opposed to ideas about the setup on freakin' D2.

[Korlash]

Hmm I must really be lost. What did I do to get paired with sera again? Becuase he voted the same person I did?

1: Arrancar. They're the only hollows who are actually in a team. Really, flavor-wise, can you think of any three hollows that work together, besides Arrancar? As to what they're called, no clue. I know, it's many arcs early (Arrancar are in the Arrancar arc, and in the Anime, that's not 'til ~110; this is in the first arc, apparently), but it makes sense.
2: Sosuke Aizen, Ichimaru Gin, and the third traitor captain. They're the big bad guys, after all, in Bleach.

Neither of these make any sense as this is Karakura town. Arc and captains haven't even entered the story yet.

3: CRAZY WILD THEORY: Ichigo Kurosaki and Uryu Ishida. I would be down-right shocked if this were the case, but it is a possibility.

It's possible... But I don't think it makes a lot of sense. However I suppose a mod can seriously F' up flavor sometimes so I won't discount it...

And then there's always the three-hollow pair people seem to think, even though our serial killer was just a plain ol' hollow.

... Yes one scum flipping hollow totally makes is so unlikely the other scum are hollows as well... /sarcasm

The entire point of the Ichigo/Ishida fued was to kill hollows... The most likely mafia team would be Numb Chandelier, Bulbous G, and the Menos Grande. I believe those are the three main hollows that appeared around the time the two did their battle royal.

Hmmm... I don't think there should be nymajor reprocussions from discussing this...

[Green Crayons]

Hmm I must really be lost. What did I do to get paired with sera again? Becuase he voted the same person I did?

I don't think you're pared with Seraphim. My Gorrad/Korlash (either/or, not both) scum dichotomy theory is completely independent of Seraphim's guilt.

I would like Seraphim to make some sort of an attempt to squeeze his neck out from this noose. And when he fails, I would like people to vote accordingly, please.


Thanks.

[Korlash]

I don't think you're pared with Seraphim. My Gorrad/Korlash (either/or, not both) scum dichotomy theory is completely independent of Seraphim's guilt.

Well obviously I wasnt talking to you then...

[Green Crayons]

I didn't want my suspicion of you/Gorrad to be tied up with Seraphim's obvscum. That's all.

[Korlash]

I'm still not getting why people have come to the conclussion of a me/gorrad deal. Be it partners or an either/or thing. From my perspective it seems like a few key players keep trying to play that card left and right as if trying to either set up future lynches or start an early misdirect.

[Mastin]

Thoughts on the game, so far:

NOTE: (And

WARNING

: ) While this was only about six pages in Microsoft Word, that's still fairly long for most people's tastes.

Well, on my browse from memory as a spectator, I thought Glados was pro-town almost certainly; I can say that much. I also thought one other person was, but I forget who that person was. Glados immediately started this game off with some nice logic,

1.) ZEEnon did not notice that Gorrad has yet to confirm.
2.) Therefore, ZEEnon and Gorrad are probably not scum together.

Page two, I do not dislike any players, nor do I have any particular like of them, either. In other words, I’m not seeing any potential scum, nor any potential town. These people, making it so hard on me, by actually playing

normally

. It’s so much easier in a newbie game.

Page three, I am finding vibes from Korlash, Green, and Phil, in the posts. They seem to distinctly be leaning towards helping reveal alignment…the problem is, I can’t decide if it’s scum, or town.
I see a possible scum pair between Korlash and Green, at that stage in the game, but it’s a huge stretch.

Later on page three, and I’m thinking Phil is town, and Green is scum. Of course, as I read these things in more detail, these opinions could change.

Oh, boy. Page four lost my train of thought, to be honest. Again, slight suspicions, in my mind, on Green, Korlash, and Albert came to mind, for the most part.

Seraphim’s lack of posting seemed to be interesting, for the most part.

I seem to be using ‘for the most part’ a good deal in these recent paragraphs, for the most part.
Seriously, though, again, easy pairing between Korlash, Albert, and Green possible, though doubtful. Nearing page six, they are all fairly suspicious (top three), yet—at the same time—not. I can see a scum three-some in them, yet I can also see three pro-town players who have similar views.

Glados dropped a possible tell to a role with killing powers, right here:

It is akin to when I falsely tell tests subjects that I am going to murder them. It is simply part of the protocol.

But, obviously, I could just be shooting at the shadows.

Yay Gorrad I was afraid you would miss the train!

I keep on seeing this reference to a train. I keep on interpreting it as some sort of subtle role claim. It’s…interesting, to say the least, but, again, I see these kinds of things all the time, where a good portion of the time, they do not really exist.

Gorrad appeared to have been lurking, then comes in with content. Earlier had stated internet problems, yet it still took rather some time to post so little. It is worthy of noting, to say the least.

I have a bad vibe coming from Xtoxm, based off of my meta on X. That was only from one game, though, where he was a townie, but even so, he was contributing far more than what he is doing right now.

Green’s looking far less suspicious than before.

It’s hard to judge characters for me at this point in the game. The lack of a death really threw my balance off, to say the least, but overall, the list looks something like this:

Pro-town Appearing:

Glados
Phil

Neutral
Green
Korlash

Scummy
X
Gorrad
Seraph
Albert

The order is most to least. I am really out of balance with this game, right now. The death of the SK and no night kill trained together leave it much harder for me, in my mind set, to lock onto alignment of players.

In a previous game of mine, people were practically ready to lynch one of the IC’s for this bad logic:

That's not anyone's fault in particular but when I'm in a large amount of games, the boring ones end up on the backburner.

Sure, later on, it was due to other reasons as well, but the fact remains, people dislike those who show very little interest in the games they join.

Albert being on the wagon just makes me think more so that he is infact Mafia (Hollow).

Phil claims that the mafia are Hollows, where we can’t know that for sure.

End day one. I read all posts from this point on.

ZEE had the honor of the first post, which many have pointed out to be a scum tell, especially since ZEE didn’t consider anything but a doctor save and a mafia no-kill as a possibility.

Zee was right about the mafia, though; they almost certainly thought they were lynching a pro-town player (joke’s on them, eh? ), and it would not surprise me if all three mafia were on the wagon.

In fact, a good portion of that post contained perfectly valid points.

On to the game,

Yay me! <3 Chadokun!

Recognizes the scene from the actual Manga/Anime, but mentioning Chad Sato could’ve been his way of hinting at something we do not know about. Again, just me jumping out at the shadows…

And SK is scum. So learn the word before you try any of this self gratifying shit on the rest of us.

Korlash is correct—SK is scum, cult can be considered scum, but X was using ‘scum’ in the case given to mean ‘mafia’, to which, X was also right. Not mafia, but still scum.

Interesting fact: Right at the beginning of the day, both Albert and Zee manage to get two votes on them. That’s got to be a record.

Also worthy of note: I am again finding Green a bit suspicious, even though the points against Zee are valid. It’s the way it’s being presented, I suppose, which just seems to be “He’s scum! Lynch him!” Yet I do not recall Green thinking Zee was scum even ONCE before day two.

I don’t like Seraph’s attitude right here,

I want to see more of ZEEnon before I vote him, however. He lurked out most of day 1 so I don't have a read on him.

Implies wanting to vote Zee, yet instead,

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

Explains how Albert’s overall feel was scummy, and Zee made only one scummy move, yes, but I still don’t like it.

Also casts the third vote on Albert.

I fully support this, and for this reason I:
Vote: ZEEnon
FoS: Seraphim

And, again, that ties Zee and Albert, both with three votes. Very, very easily three scum on one bandwagon, at least, a possibility.

Gorrad did raise a very valid point against Seraphim, though.

Interesting note: Votes soon change, putting Albert still at three, Zee at two, and Seraph at two as well, I believe.

By the way,

FoS: PhilyEc. Something about using the phrase "

leeching

" directly after I myself use the phrase to describe ABR is rubbing me the wrong way.

Just a warning, I’m well-known for using this term a lot (particularly in Newbie 742).

Note on Probable Pairs:
It is again a stretch, and even if one of them flips scum, it wouldn’t necessarily condemn the other two, but if I had to give a scum three-some, it’d be Albert, Gorrad, and Korlash.

But

that’s only on the basis that they are defending each other a lot—I’m not as sure about the top-three scummy players, but amongst them is definitely Seraph.

If I had to say, it’d probably look like this, most to least:

Seraph
Green
Albert

Ack. Like I said, it’s hard, I’m second-guessing myself…

Seraph caught a very valid point about Green, along with the way Green’s been presenting the cases on his suspects.

Summary:

I would support a Seraph lynch. It would be very favorable for finding players’ alignments, as, well, quite frankly, almost all the players except for a few have acted at least partially scummy somewhere throughout the game…

[Korlash]

Recognizes the scene from the actual Manga/Anime, but mentioning Chad Sato could’ve been his way of hinting at something we do not know about. Again, just me jumping out at the shadows…

I don't know what you're going on about with the train thing but you're on to me here. I do know something but it's definitly not what you are thinking. Unless you are thinking strange things...

i'm only saying this because it actually dosn't matter if the scum know I know something or not at this point, and as people are finding me suspicious I think my claim will be somewhere in the future so... yeah... Figured I'd give you props for finding this now...

[Mastin]

I do know something but it's definitly not what you are thinking. Unless you are thinking strange things...

You know, sometimes, I really hate it when I'm right. >_>

i'm only saying this because it actually dosn't matter if the scum know I know something or not at this point, and as people are finding me suspicious I think my claim will be somewhere in the future so... yeah...

Generally, I've found that your attitude is particularly good when you're a pro-town player who has some night action (*points to the two games where Mastin was cop, yet was called scummy*), trying to avoid being shot by the mafia. Flat-out saying that you do have some knowledge the town doesn't is almost a sure way to guarantee that you are night killed, though. Which is why I, again, fall back to this:

You know, sometimes, I really hate it when I'm right. >_>

You probably should not have answered that, Korlash...

[PhilyEc]

Phil claims that the mafia are Hollows, where we can’t know that for sure.

I'm positive everyone against the town is hollow since.
a) Zwet was a typical hollow.
b) Intro states that "

the hollow bait

is proving more effective than anyone could have imagined and things are starting to spin out of control. Now everyone must do their part to save the residents of Karakura Town before they all end up as

hollow food

.

I dont see him dragging Arrancar into this, nor Espada. They'd not belong in a Hollow Slaying Competition to begin with.
Anyways it doesnt really matter what their roles are, theyre still mafia ands needs lynches.

I'd say its Seraphim, Korlash & ????. 3 scum might be too easy in this game thus I'd agree with those considering theres 4 (incl Zwet).

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I could actually follow that long post Mastins, you're improving XD

[Korlash]

You probably should not have answered that, Korlash...

I'll answer everything in your last post with this... I am not stupid. I would not have said what I said unless I felt either it helped the town or it in no way hinders it at all. I have not claimed or ever hinted at a power role, merely at knowing something you don't.

you may feel differently, but nothing I have said or done should come back to hurt the town or haunt me in any way...

[Albert B. Rampage]

So you think that I'm mafia and I'm bussing Seraphim?

[Green Crayons]

Concerning the role/mechanics speculation in 336, I have to ask once again:

Do you feel that opining on potential town roles is a good thing to do on Day Two?

[Mastin]

Concerning the role/mechanics speculation in 336, I have to ask once again:

don't trust him OR ZEE. They're voting for each other, so no matter which of the two I'm voting for, I'll have someone I don't trust voting with me.

I think you've got the wrong number, Green.

[Green Crayons]

366. I have slight idiot syndrome.

Since I already addressed you with that question, and it went unanswered, you should have known what I meant. I can't tell if you're purposefully not answering or if you are being thick.