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CC. You need to consider this from our POV. Being a Doublevoter is not confirmed town.

SleepyKrew wrote:Joke by vezok? Nope, try again.

See his ISO #8.

Where did vezok magically become town in my Quil case?

Your Quil case was "scum-quil is buddying town-vezok".

Someone asked me top scumread BESIDES Quil. So I answered implosion.

So was he your top scumread BESIDES Quil or AFTER Quil?

And I mentioned why he was scum before that.

No, you didn't. You just mentioned why you didn't agree with his arguments.

Because he's offering to kill another scumread.

Why do you trust him if you have a scumread on him?

MoI was going to kill me tonight. Isn't that the same as being L-1 with a looming hammer?

No, since vezok isn't going to suddenly end the day, and MoI didn't ask you for a claim.

No thoughts on paper? Why ignore the beginning of 333?

None so far, unless somebody I don't have a scum or strong leaning-scum read claims paper.

You think ISO # 8 was a joke? ... I have no words...

Did I say that? I'm pretty sure it was "Scum Quil is saving scumbuddy vezok!". Please quote me so I can prove myself wrong.

Yes, he's #2.

*Sigh*. I said he's scummy for attacking me in a very anti-town way.

Because he's offering to kill another scumread.

MoI was going to kill me tonight.

So you think paper is a clever scumgambit? Why ignore the beginning of 333? Twice?

SleepyKrew wrote:You think ISO # 8 was a joke? ... I have no words...

No. ISO #8 cleared up that ISO #0 was a joke.

Did I say that? I'm pretty sure it was "Scum Quil is saving scumbuddy vezok!". Please quote me so I can prove myself wrong.

ISO #14:

SleepyKrew wrote:I'd actually rather kill Quil right now, on the chance that he's buddying to vezok because he's scum and knows vezok is town.

*Sigh*. I said he's scummy for attacking me in a very anti-town way.

ISO #50:

SleepyKrew wrote:Hey implosion, I'm not allowed to attack Quil for an obvjoke but you're allowed to attack me for it? Noted. Also, you can clearly see that I did

not

ignore Quil. And how is CAPSRAGE a towntell? YOURE AN IDIOT I HATE YOU YOU MUST BE SCUM IM TOWN

More crap from implosion, cool. I said I have a gut read that I'm second-guessing, and you're using that to hold me accountable? Cool. I think jason is town.

No word in there on why that's scummy or anti-town.

Because he's offering to kill another scumread.

MoI was going to kill me tonight.

You already said that, and I told you why these are not good arguments. Stop skirting around my arguments and start answering me.

So you think paper is a clever scumgambit?

This depends on who else will claim paper.

Why ignore the beginning of 333? Twice?

Because I don't like playing your annoying little games.

ISO # 0 was a joke...? No words...

Do you see the word 'chance'?

I'll go find the quote.

Those are my answers. I don't care if you don't like them.

I still don't know if everyone claiming paper is a good idea or not...

I don't much enjoy yours either, but not answering questions is anti-town.

SleepyKrew wrote:Do you see the word 'chance'?

Yes. You wanted to kill Quil because you thought he's buddying up town-vezok, not because you thought he's trying to save scumbuddy-vezok as you claimed later.

Those are my answers. I don't care if you don't like them.

I don't much enjoy yours either, but not answering questions is anti-town.

So you're dodging my questions and claim not answering questions is anti-town?

I still don't know if everyone claiming paper is a good idea or not...

Not everybody needs to. Just somebody most players have a townread or at least a neutral read on.

Do you see the word 'chance'?

I'm not dodging your question. I've answered, and I'm sticking by my answer. Whereas you still haven't answered the beginning of 333. So looks like you're a hypocrite, amirite?

SleepyKrew wrote:Do you see the word 'chance'?

Yes. I also see the words around the word "chance", which form a sentence.

I'm not dodging your question. I've answered, and I'm sticking by my answer.

Your answer does not fit my question. If I'm answering "Orange" to every question you ask, would this be an acceptable answer for you?

Whereas you still haven't answered the beginning of 333. So looks like you're a hypocrite, amirite?

No. I don't see a problem in not answering questions you've asked just to bait me.

Yes. And the sentence is one of several scenarios in which Quil is scum. It just so happens vezok is town in scenario.

Ice: Why is scumread Quil an acceptable Executioner?
SKrew: Because he'll kill one of my other scumreads.

Ice: Why did you claim?
SKrew: Because I was going to be killed.

SKrew: Why haven't you answered 333?
Ice: Orange.

SleepyKrew wrote:Yes. And the sentence is one of several scenarios in which Quil is scum. It just so happens vezok is town in

that specific

scenario.

So why did you present only this scenario earlier, and later claimed you only presented another one?

Ice: Why is scumread Quil an acceptable Executioner?
SKrew: Because he

has claimed he'll

kill one of my other scumreads.

Ice: Why do you trust a scumread?
SKrew: Because he has claimed he'll kill one of my other scumreads.

Ice: Why did you claim?
SKrew: Because I was going to be killed.

Ice: Why did you claim although there was still a long period of discussion before you'd actually have the chance to be killed (where the discussion might lead to somebody else being killed), and nobody asked you for your claim yet, and why did you claim an unspecified "power role"?
SKrew: Because I was going to be killed.

FTFY

DEAR GOD DO YOU SEE THE WORD CHANCE

If Quil didn't kill Cod, then LaL his ass, as I've said before.

Yes, I messed up. I know.

SleepyKrew wrote:DEAR GOD DO YOU SEE THE WORD CHANCE

Yes. I also see the sentence surrounding it, and I can read in context. What you essentially said was, "I think Quil is the most likely scum because it looks like he is buddying up to town-vezok". You didn't mention any other scenario regarding scum-Quil at this point.

If Quil didn't kill Cod, then LaL his ass, as I've said before.

Still, there is no point in giving the daykill to scum, even if we can kill him later. Two "lynches" are much better than a scumkill and an obvscum "lynch".

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED:

QUIL AND VEZOK WERE BEING SCUMMY
QUIL WAS BUDDYBUDDY VEZOK
I SAID THEY WERE SCUMMY
I SAID ID TO KILL QUIL ON THE HE WAS BUDDYING TOWNVEZOK

SleepyKrew wrote:

havingfitz wrote:

As I mentioned last night...mine will go to MoI.

!!! SCUMSLIP?!?!?!

WTF?

SleepyKrew wrote:

But scum might have papers too... And you best be voting for MoI, otherwise we be whoopin your ass.

MoI

will

be Executioner. He will most likely kill you. What happens if you die with a paper? The mod refused to answer me when I asked him.

I've been crumbing it all game.

You are correct. It was "I trust SK I'm going to die i'm going to live I don't trust SK".

NO DAMMIT DONT CLAIM

WTF?

SleepyKrew wrote:CC. You need to consider this from our POV. Being a Doublevoter is not confirmed town.

A claimed doublevoter is not confirmed town but he can at leasst be proved tomorrow. We just make sure CC's vote for the executioner occurs at L-2 or sooner and if the votecount goes final taking his "two" votes into account...he's confirmed. So what is the harm in not killing him tonight?

Also...other than to look at the PR link someone posted earlier...what is all this talk about "items?" Paper? Whuh? Were there item's in the last game? There don't appear to be any "items" in the lasst game from the role PM someone linked us to.

having, WHY did you say last ?

He's obviously telling the truth about DV. But he could still be scum. Though I still wanna know my MoI thinks he's scum, but I recall him saying he's not going to elaborate, so...

SleepyKrew wrote:having, WHY did you say last

night

?

He's obviously telling the truth about DV. But he could still be scum. Though I still wanna know my MoI thinks he's scum, but I recall him saying he's not going to elaborate, so...

Because "last

night

" was when I stated that I would give my night vote to MoI.

I've never played in a game where scum had a double vote during the day (or night prior for that matter prior to this game), have you? Point being, why kill someone we can confirm as town tomorrow unless there is a reason to think scum can double vote during the day.

Oh, you meant... real life is stupid <.<

We can confirm him as a DV. How does that confirm him as town?

I'm not sure how long.

SleepyKrew wrote:We can confirm him as a DV. How does that confirm him as town?

me wrote:I've never played in a game where scum had a double vote during the day (or night prior for that matter prior to this game), have you?

This isn't a normal game...

Catch-up post incoming, you have been warned –

I'm 100% on board with the Vezok - Cod execution at this stage since Cod has gone into 'Not Here' mode.

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Sleepy wrote:Though I still wanna know my MoI thinks he's scum, but I recall him saying he's not going to elaborate, so...

I already elaborated on why he was near the top of my scum-reads. His first content posts were very scummy, especially given the timing and ways he clearly misrepped Vezok when the pressure was on Vezok early. Read my ISO.

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havingfitz wrote:I've never played in a game where scum had a double vote during the day (or night prior for that matter prior to this game), have you? Point being, why kill someone we can confirm as town tomorrow unless there is a reason to think scum can double vote during the day.

Secret Invasion Mafia had a scum-doublevoter.

That said we don’t even have proof yet that he is indeed a Doublevoter at all. So rather than debating how said power impacts his alignment lets see tomorrow if he actually is a Doublevoter.

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ChaosOmega wrote:Posting to avoid prod, busy at the moment, will post with content in a few hours.

Hmmm … didn’t see that content. Scum read on ChaosOmega rising.

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– The fact you aren’t bothering to read my posts (since you missed that I actively said I didn’t support Nightkilling a provable Power Role) combined with your unwillingness to address my initial concerns and your barrage of “Oh, hey I forgot to mention I have some Paper” is making me rethink that policy I just mentioned.

Captain wrote:By the way things are going, it seems MoI is going to get the Night Execution. Before you all decide however, YOUR VOTE AT NIGHT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT! Don't throw it away!

Appeal to Fear noted.

Captain wrote: SK especially, since he hasn't given much input on it.

Really? You are singling out Sleepy as not giving sufficent input? Have you met havingfitz, ChaosOmega and Cod?

Captain wrote:Since I don't like where this is going, I have something else that may benefit the town, but certain conditions have to be met for it to happen.

If you were trying to be Pro-Town in your claiming why did you hold back this piece? Especially considering your ‘paper’ (I’m assuming Sleepy was trying to communicate with his paper versus power 'slips') claim would probably have been received more positively if others have it also.

Captain wrote:Urg, whatever. I'm cool with a kill. There's nothing else I can say today to change MoI's read on me.

Yes, because I certainly didn’t ask you to elaborate on why you posted faulty attacks in your first content posts to get a better read on you.

Or say that I disliked potentially killing claimed provable Power Roles N1 when they can be demonstrated Day 2 …

Captain wrote:I would love for everyone to give me theirs, but seeing as I will possibly die tonight, I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.

Can you provide one reason why we should be looking past your play to reward you with “the power” inherent in the gathering of items?

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Zang wrote:I'm not sure if you already answered this but who do you think should be night executioner?

As of now I will be voting for Vezok who is my strongerst Town read. That is, of course, subject to change based on the rest of the Day and the flip.

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IceGuy wrote:Don't forget WIFOM. They can just as well save a townie from death and force a mis-daykill on us.

So you are saying the Mafia would choose to prevent a Town Night Executioner from killing Town (if said Executioner makes his choice pre-known) for WIFOM? Frankly if we have Mafia that is that stupid I’ll take it. Because preventing a Town on Town kill isn’t playing to a Mafioso’s win condition.

IceGuy wrote:If the kill is claimed, we can grill them about whom they killed.

If the kill isn't claimed, we know the killer must've been scum. I don't think the town vote will be totally fragmented, but rather split between two or three players, meaning even taking into account a part of the claimed votes are fake, we can narrow down the suspect list to a few players where we know one of them is scum.

What is gained then? We know that scum made the kill. Great … that does us absolutely no good. Your theory on vote analysis is fairly faulty since the scum are free to lie and say the voted for the most popular wagon. I love VC analysis. You aren't going to be able to tease anything out of data that is not Mod compiled.

Lack of Town voting unity simply makes the Mafia’s ability to wrest control of the Nightkill that much stronger. That’s not Pro-Town at all.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:
So you are saying the Mafia would choose to prevent a Town Night Executioner from killing Town (if said Executioner makes his choice pre-known) for WIFOM? Frankly if we have Mafia that is that stupid I’ll take it. Because preventing a Town on Town kill isn’t playing to a Mafioso’s win condition.

It's trading a sure Town kill and an unknown second kill for a no kill and a sure Town kill, and it puts suspicion on the Night Executioner. I haven't thought this through but I'm pretty sure there are situations where this is a tactical advantage.

What is gained then? We know that scum made the kill. Great … that does us absolutely no good. Your theory on vote analysis is fairly faulty since the scum are free to lie and say the voted for the most popular wagon. I love VC analysis. You aren't going to be able to tease anything out of data that is not Mod compiled.

Since I think scum won't be able to get their choice for Night Executioner through without at least one or two townies also voting for their candidate, we know that a player which has no or just one claimed vote(s) on him wasn't the Executioner. Since most town players are going to go for you anyway, this should reduce the field of potential executioners to less than half of the players, and players which claimed to have placed the only vote on some player are subject to extra scrutiny.

Lack of Town voting unity simply makes the Mafia’s ability to wrest control of the Nightkill that much stronger. That’s not Pro-Town at all.

Again, if there is a consensus on coordinated voting (and it looks like it's going to be), I'll follow it. But I still think it's a bad idea, for the reasons outlined above.

Still here, will catch up tomorrow, sorry been a ball busting day.

MagnaofIllusion wrote:
1.

@Captain

– The fact you aren’t bothering to read my posts (since you missed that I actively said I didn’t support Nightkilling a provable Power Role) combined with your unwillingness to address my initial concerns and your barrage of “Oh, hey I forgot to mention I have some Paper” is making me rethink that policy I just mentioned.

Captain wrote:By the way things are going, it seems MoI is going to get the Night Execution. Before you all decide however, YOUR VOTE AT NIGHT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT! Don't throw it away!

2. Appeal to Fear noted.

Captain wrote: SK especially, since he hasn't given much input on it.

3. Really? You are singling out Sleepy as not giving sufficent input? Have you met havingfitz, ChaosOmega and Cod?

Captain wrote:Since I don't like where this is going, I have something else that may benefit the town, but certain conditions have to be met for it to happen.

4. If you were trying to be Pro-Town in your claiming why did you hold back this piece? Especially considering your ‘paper’ (I’m assuming Sleepy was trying to communicate with his paper versus power 'slips') claim would probably have been received more positively if others have it also.

Captain wrote:Urg, whatever. I'm cool with a kill. There's nothing else I can say today to change MoI's read on me.

5. Yes, because I certainly didn’t ask you to elaborate on why you posted faulty attacks in your first content posts to get a better read on you.

Or say that I disliked potentially killing claimed provable Power Roles N1 when they can be demonstrated Day 2 …

Captain wrote:I would love for everyone to give me theirs, but seeing as I will possibly die tonight, I'm not sure if that's such a good idea.

6. Can you provide one reason why we should be looking past your play to reward you with “the power” inherent in the gathering of items?

1. "Oh I forgot to mention I have some paper"?! MOI I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT SINCE I GOT BACK. I must have missed the no killing provable PRs N1, but what the hell does that change? As SK said, I could be scum. I don't like the fact that you've been ignoring it.
2. No point in this, why bother?
3. Because I have a townread on him >_>
4. I didn't hold it back, I told you about it, but not the specifics. What was the point in you knowing the full details of it?
5. I stand by my attacks. And who was I attacking? Oh, that's right Codfish, who is getting killed today, and Vezok, who SK was also attacking. Where's the difference between SK and me? Why single me out? Because you're scum and know I'm not a sum doublevoter?
6. I'm not going to be passing my paper on tonight. The only person I can trust with the power is the only person conf. town. Me.

I'm executing Codfish in 48 hours or less.

If anyone wants to say anything say it now or don't.