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In post 343, buldermar wrote:

In post 334, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I've been constantly trying to talk to you because my read isn't set in stone yet. You've helped me push it towards scum, and your insistence that my reads aren't fluid is a major component of that.
I have bought up reasons where I've disagreed with you, and you've been tossing them aside with "lolbias" which just looks to me like scum trying to avoid justifying their views.

Okay orc, if your read on me isn't set in stone then you should stop posting from the perspective of me being scum and entertain the possibility of me being town.

I don't really get the impression that you're looking to talk to me, I get the impression that you're looking to make more accusations and call more things I do scummy to get people to vote me.

I accuse you of being scum for various reasons. I expect you to acknowledge them and tell me why they're wrong if you are town.

Your consistent refusal to do that tells me a lot about your alignment.

Pedit: You know what, this is getting quite ridiculous. Buldermar, every time you post something like "I'll respond to you only if others want me to" it reeks of scum dodging.

It's okay, you don't have to reply to me if you don't want to. It's fine. I'm over trying to talk to a wall. I'm lynching you today. We're done here.

Pedit: I've answered all the questions you've posed to me, Buldermar.
Mac, I was assuming that when you said obvscum that you meant shit like fence sitting or cheerleading. Noob scum, effectively.

Pedit: Refusing to talk to someone starting from...what, 16 hours into day 1? You weren't a very pro-town player.

In post 350, DCLXVI wrote:

@mod going to be v/la from now through thursday

I'm sure you'll have fun catching up on thursday.

I don't like the refusing to talk either to be honest but I can see it coming from a town and scum perspective. The fact he's said he'll break it down for anyone else makes me lean town perspective: hence I've asked him to talk about your case to me.

I feel like a psychiatrist.

In post 344, Mac wrote:

In post 321, buldermar wrote:

In post 311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:A few things.

-I don’t like Buldermar’s RVS play. “Stupid shit” doesn’t cut it for me if you don’t transition it into something pro-town, and goading fery seems deliberately anti-town from my POV.
-I don’t like how Buldermar subtly sells fery to me. He says that scum-fery would quickread me as town, but I’ve also seen town-fery quickread me as town. Twice, in fact. He says that it looks “somewhat scummy” in 262 without elaborating, and when pressed, his argument is:

In post 270, buldermar wrote:It looks scummy because I've seen her do it as town and because she knows that I've seen her do it as town.

This doesn’t actually make sense. So playing to one’s town meta is “somewhat scummy” all of a sudden?
-He fabricates a reason to dodge answering me in 267.
-I do not believe anyone could legitimately read DCL’s majiffy vote as serious.

-I

still

think the DCL case is shit.

-His reaction to me does not come from a town perspective. Consistently he tries to get me to stop talking to him because I’m too biased. Which is pretty shitty, considering he and many other people know that my reads early-game aren’t consolidated at all, so bias is a terrible reason for tossing my opinions aside and not answering them.
-Ad populum twice in 299 and 262, which is scummy because you’re basically saying “So-and-so agrees with me, thus I am absolved of the responsibility of defending my beliefs”.

If anyone other than orc wants me to respond to the above, I will. Otherwise, I'm just going to ignore it. Just let me know.

I'd like your response to this.

There's some stuff in here that could be seen as scummy and some that could not be. I've bolded something in particular which I don't see how that's scummy.

so many p-edits I'm lost.

Alright, I'll try to go over all of this.

I did say that I pretended to be scum because I like to do stupid shit, which is accurate. I also dislike RVS, so I like to do stuff to skip that. You can check my previous games to confirm that if required. I think ff has read enough to confirm it as well.

I do think scum-ff would quick-read orc as town because of a different game. I think that because town-ff previously quick-read orc as town, scum-ff would feel obligated to do the same to eliminate dissimilarities in play.

Orc says my post 270 doesn't make sense, which I disagree with. It's not "town meta" when it's based on one game, and it's in this particular context that I find it scummy. If she did the same the next game the three of us are in, I may look at it entirely different.

What he calls a fabricated reason to dodge an answer in 267 is in my opinion quite accurate. I don't think I could write it any more accurate if I spend another 5 minutes on that post alone.

Orc doesn't believe that anyone could legitimately read DCL's Majiffy vote as serious, but at least three people (myself included) interpreted his Majiffy vote as just that. In other words, Orc to my understanding things that at least three people are currently lying about how they interpret DCL's vote on Majiffy. (You can correct me if I'm wrong on this one, Mac)

I don't think the DCL case is shit at all. I think I've already explained what it is I find scummy, and I'm well aware that Orc and I disagree on it. My thoughts have been very much in accordance with those of HD, which is the main reason I read him (HD) as town.

I can't really say anything to him thinking that my reaction does not come from a town perspective for obvious reasons. It is correct that I have been trying to avoid conversation with Orc because I do not feel he is being openminded about the points I'm making, and I do think he's being exceptionally biased. He recently even claimed that he'd not be moving his vote for the remainder of this day. I suspected that this has been the case for quite some pages, so there really isn't any motivation for me to conversate with him other than if other players thing it's conducive.

He insists that his early-game reads aren't consolidated at all, but I think his read on me has been quite consolidated for some time. I guess you can think what you want about me tossing his opinion aside and not answering his questions because of bias, but that's the main reason.

I don't know what ad populum means, but if this part is important to you I will read about it on wiki and answer his accusation of my posts being ad populum.

Also let me know if I need to go into details about anything.

In post 350, DCLXVI wrote:

@mod going to be v/la from now through thursday

Well that really sucks

I'll get to this breakdown later buldermar, but the worrying thing is the lack of involvement here. fferyltt has barely contributed to this orcvbuld argument here unless prompted which kinda makes me wonder if this is TvT and she's happy to sit back and let it roll.

In post 351, orcinus_theoriginal wrote: Pedit:
Mac, I was assuming that when you said obvscum that you meant shit like fence sitting or cheerleading. Noob scum, effectively.

Oh I see what you mean. Nah I was referring to you saying he was obvscum and me looking back and thinking nothing stood out as "wow, buldermar's scum."

In post 351, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 343, buldermar wrote:

In post 334, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I've been constantly trying to talk to you because my read isn't set in stone yet. You've helped me push it towards scum, and your insistence that my reads aren't fluid is a major component of that.
I have bought up reasons where I've disagreed with you, and you've been tossing them aside with "lolbias" which just looks to me like scum trying to avoid justifying their views.

Okay orc, if your read on me isn't set in stone then you should stop posting from the perspective of me being scum and entertain the possibility of me being town.

I don't really get the impression that you're looking to talk to me, I get the impression that you're looking to make more accusations and call more things I do scummy to get people to vote me.

I accuse you of being scum for various reasons. I expect you to acknowledge them and tell me why they're wrong if you are town.

Your consistent refusal to do that tells me a lot about your alignment.

Pedit: You know what, this is getting quite ridiculous. Buldermar, every time you post something like "I'll respond to you only if others want me to" it reeks of scum dodging.

It's okay, you don't have to reply to me if you don't want to. It's fine. I'm over trying to talk to a wall. I'm lynching you today. We're done here.

Pedit: I've answered all the questions you've posed to me, Buldermar.
Mac, I was assuming that when you said obvscum that you meant shit like fence sitting or cheerleading. Noob scum, effectively.

Pedit: Refusing to talk to someone starting from...what, 16 hours into day 1? You weren't a very pro-town player.

Okay, I expect of you to be open to the possibility of me being town, then.

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that my consistent refusal tells you a lot about my alignment?

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that it looks like scum dodging when I respond that I'll only respond to you if others want me to?

I think your desire to talk to me has been faked, but I'll leave that up to others to decide.

I don't have anything to add to you thinking that I'm not at pro-town player - what is it that you expect me to say about this?

In post 353, Mac wrote:I don't like the refusing to talk either to be honest but I can see it coming from a town and scum perspective. The fact he's said he'll break it down for anyone else makes me lean town perspective: hence I've asked him to talk about your case to me.

I feel like a psychiatrist.

I do mean it when I say I'll break down any post Orc makes for anyone but him. All it takes is a quote and a question asking me to do so.

I think it's mostly a big dumb argument. I wish I had a town read on buldermar right now because I'd love to just scroll through this shit and find other stuff to focus on.

This is taking a lot of focus and pressure off Minimal. But I don't have any reason to think that's been the purpose of it.

I should be able to check back in about an hour.

In post 356, Mac wrote:I'll get to this breakdown later buldermar, but the worrying thing is the lack of involvement here. fferyltt has barely contributed to this orcvbuld argument here unless prompted which kinda makes me wonder if this is TvT and she's happy to sit back and let it roll.

I'd be reading Orc has town if I could know for sure that he wouldn't be this aggressive as scum, but I've seen people be this aggressive before as scum. Majiffy, for instance, is often quite aggressive as either alignment.

In post 360, fferyllt wrote:I think it's mostly a big dumb argument. I wish I had a town read on buldermar right now because I'd love to just scroll through this shit and find other stuff to focus on.

This is taking a lot of focus and pressure off Minimal. But I don't have any reason to think that's been the purpose of it.

I should be able to check back in about an hour.

Orc started the Minimal wagon and Orc started this buldermar argument. Are you suggesting orc is scum? Again you aren't really contributing to this.

You know what strikes me as kind of odd? The three active players atm have all FoSed me but only Orcinus threw down a vote. It looks like testing the waters.

And on that thought...bbl.

In post 360, fferyllt wrote:I think it's mostly a big dumb argument. I wish I had a town read on buldermar right now because I'd love to just scroll through this shit and find other stuff to focus on.

This is taking a lot of focus and pressure off Minimal. But I don't have any reason to think that's been the purpose of it.

I should be able to check back in about an hour.

Would you be able to make a post with a quick summary on what looks scummy about Minimal? I know Minimal said she thought HD looked scum for pushing DCL at one point, which was odd to me, but I'd like to hear it from your perspective.

I'm about to leave.

I did say that I pretended to be scum because I like to do stupid shit, which is accurate. I also dislike RVS, so I like to do stuff to skip that. You can check my previous games to confirm that if required. I think ff has read enough to confirm it as well.

Yes, because you did an excellent job of helping town skip RVS (you did squat to skip RVS, RVS ended with the minimal wagon and my "srspost" (as fery put it)).

I do think scum-ff would quick-read orc as town because of a different game. I think that because town-ff previously quick-read orc as town, scum-ff would feel obligated to do the same to eliminate dissimilarities in play.

What happened to your ongoing game thing? And once again, you fail to prove how this quickread on me is more scum than town. As far as I see it, she would do it regardless of alignment. But you called it alignment-null, which doesn't make sense to me. You've shown me why she might do X as scum--but not why doing X makes her scum, which is what you said.

Orc says my post 270 doesn't make sense, which I disagree with. It's not "town meta" when it's based on one game, and it's in this particular context that I find it scummy. If she did the same the next game the three of us are in, I may look at it entirely different.

Fery's townread me off the bat in every single game we've been in so far. So it is town meta. And once again, you've explained scum motivation, but not why it makes her scum. THIS is bias.

What he calls a fabricated reason to dodge an answer in 267 is in my opinion quite accurate. I don't think I could write it any more accurate if I spend another 5 minutes on that post alone.

See this is very very interesting. Because we established that your reason was fabricated in this post below

In post 273, buldermar wrote:

In post 271, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 267, buldermar wrote:

In post 259, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 26, buldermar wrote: I'm scum, I insist.

Which part of my questions have incorrect assumptions?

The part where you incorrectly assume that I'd be more likely to insist on being scum as scum than as town.

I never did.

My questions again:
1) Why did you act scummy?
2) What did you learn alignment-wise from acting scummy?
3) Why did you purposely try to goad fery in page 2?

I made no such assumption. I questioned you on your motives on insisting on being scum--"acting scummy".

Now answer.

To do stupid shit because I love doing stupid shit. I could tell you a story about how I wanted to see how people reacted etc., but really I just love doing stupid shit.

(267 is in the nested quote)

Orc doesn't believe that anyone could legitimately read DCL's Majiffy vote as serious, but at least three people (myself included) interpreted his Majiffy vote as just that. In other words, Orc to my understanding things that at least three people are currently lying about how they interpret DCL's vote on Majiffy. (You can correct me if I'm wrong on this one, Mac)

Ad populum, and I don't think anyone else found DCL's vote on Majiffy to be serious. HD accepted it was a RVS wagon. I don't like how you throw "three people" out there without actually giving names.

Not talking about DCL.

I can't really say anything to him thinking that my reaction does not come from a town perspective for obvious reasons. It is correct that I have been trying to avoid conversation with Orc because I do not feel he is being openminded about the points I'm making, and I do think he's being exceptionally biased. He recently even claimed that he'd not be moving his vote for the remainder of this day. I suspected that this has been the case for quite some pages, so there really isn't any motivation for me to conversate with him other than if other players thing it's conducive.

Blatant lie. I said that I wouldn't be moving my vote after my frustration with your refusal to talk to me. And once again, proof of my bias would be nice.

He insists that his early-game reads aren't consolidated at all, but I think his read on me has been quite consolidated for some time. I guess you can think what you want about me tossing his opinion aside and not answering his questions because of bias, but that's the main reason.

My read on you has been quite consolidated since your refusal to talk to me and defend yourself.

I don't know what ad populum means, but if this part is important to you I will read about it on wiki and answer his accusation of my posts being ad populum.

Go look it up.

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In post 363, fferyllt wrote:You know what strikes me as kind of odd? The three active players atm have all FoSed me but only Orcinus threw down a vote. It looks like testing the waters.

What's odd about me not putting down a vote on you? You'll need to elaborate on this, because I think I've been quite clear about the fact that I think DCL is quite scummy and you only look possibly scummy.

In post 366, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I'm about to leave.

I did say that I pretended to be scum because I like to do stupid shit, which is accurate. I also dislike RVS, so I like to do stuff to skip that. You can check my previous games to confirm that if required. I think ff has read enough to confirm it as well.

Yes, because you did an excellent job of helping town skip RVS (you did squat to skip RVS, RVS ended with the minimal wagon and my "srspost" (as fery put it)).

I do think scum-ff would quick-read orc as town because of a different game. I think that because town-ff previously quick-read orc as town, scum-ff would feel obligated to do the same to eliminate dissimilarities in play.

What happened to your ongoing game thing? And once again, you fail to prove how this quickread on me is more scum than town. As far as I see it, she would do it regardless of alignment. But you called it alignment-null, which doesn't make sense to me. You've shown me why she might do X as scum--but not why doing X makes her scum, which is what you said.

Orc says my post 270 doesn't make sense, which I disagree with. It's not "town meta" when it's based on one game, and it's in this particular context that I find it scummy. If she did the same the next game the three of us are in, I may look at it entirely different.

Fery's townread me off the bat in every single game we've been in so far. So it is town meta. And once again, you've explained scum motivation, but not why it makes her scum. THIS is bias.

What he calls a fabricated reason to dodge an answer in 267 is in my opinion quite accurate. I don't think I could write it any more accurate if I spend another 5 minutes on that post alone.

See this is very very interesting. Because we established that your reason was fabricated in this post below

In post 273, buldermar wrote:

In post 271, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 267, buldermar wrote:

In post 259, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 26, buldermar wrote: I'm scum, I insist.

Which part of my questions have incorrect assumptions?

The part where you incorrectly assume that I'd be more likely to insist on being scum as scum than as town.

I never did.

My questions again:
1) Why did you act scummy?
2) What did you learn alignment-wise from acting scummy?
3) Why did you purposely try to goad fery in page 2?

I made no such assumption. I questioned you on your motives on insisting on being scum--"acting scummy".

Now answer.

To do stupid shit because I love doing stupid shit. I could tell you a story about how I wanted to see how people reacted etc., but really I just love doing stupid shit.

(267 is in the nested quote)

Orc doesn't believe that anyone could legitimately read DCL's Majiffy vote as serious, but at least three people (myself included) interpreted his Majiffy vote as just that. In other words, Orc to my understanding things that at least three people are currently lying about how they interpret DCL's vote on Majiffy. (You can correct me if I'm wrong on this one, Mac)

Ad populum, and I don't think anyone else found DCL's vote on Majiffy to be serious. HD accepted it was a RVS wagon. I don't like how you throw "three people" out there without actually giving names.

Not talking about DCL.

I can't really say anything to him thinking that my reaction does not come from a town perspective for obvious reasons. It is correct that I have been trying to avoid conversation with Orc because I do not feel he is being openminded about the points I'm making, and I do think he's being exceptionally biased. He recently even claimed that he'd not be moving his vote for the remainder of this day. I suspected that this has been the case for quite some pages, so there really isn't any motivation for me to conversate with him other than if other players thing it's conducive.

Blatant lie. I said that I wouldn't be moving my vote after my frustration with your refusal to talk to me. And once again, proof of my bias would be nice.

He insists that his early-game reads aren't consolidated at all, but I think his read on me has been quite consolidated for some time. I guess you can think what you want about me tossing his opinion aside and not answering his questions because of bias, but that's the main reason.

My read on you has been quite consolidated since your refusal to talk to me and defend yourself.

I don't know what ad populum means, but if this part is important to you I will read about it on wiki and answer his accusation of my posts being ad populum.

Go look it up.

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I responded to Mac, not to you, so I'm going to once again disregard this unless Mac wants me to respond to any of it.

In post 358, buldermar wrote:

In post 351, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 343, buldermar wrote:

In post 334, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I've been constantly trying to talk to you because my read isn't set in stone yet. You've helped me push it towards scum, and your insistence that my reads aren't fluid is a major component of that.
I have bought up reasons where I've disagreed with you, and you've been tossing them aside with "lolbias" which just looks to me like scum trying to avoid justifying their views.

Okay orc, if your read on me isn't set in stone then you should stop posting from the perspective of me being scum and entertain the possibility of me being town.

I don't really get the impression that you're looking to talk to me, I get the impression that you're looking to make more accusations and call more things I do scummy to get people to vote me.

I accuse you of being scum for various reasons. I expect you to acknowledge them and tell me why they're wrong if you are town.

Your consistent refusal to do that tells me a lot about your alignment.

Pedit: You know what, this is getting quite ridiculous. Buldermar, every time you post something like "I'll respond to you only if others want me to" it reeks of scum dodging.

It's okay, you don't have to reply to me if you don't want to. It's fine. I'm over trying to talk to a wall. I'm lynching you today. We're done here.

Pedit: I've answered all the questions you've posed to me, Buldermar.
Mac, I was assuming that when you said obvscum that you meant shit like fence sitting or cheerleading. Noob scum, effectively.

Pedit: Refusing to talk to someone starting from...what, 16 hours into day 1? You weren't a very pro-town player.

Okay, I expect of you to be open to the possibility of me being town, then.

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that my consistent refusal tells you a lot about my alignment?

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that it looks like scum dodging when I respond that I'll only respond to you if others want me to?

I think your desire to talk to me has been faked, but I'll leave that up to others to decide.

I don't have anything to add to you thinking that I'm not at pro-town player - what is it that you expect me to say about this?

Really? My desire to talk to you is faked? That's the best you can come up with.

I'm not telling you what you're supposed to say. Why the fuck would I? I'm trying to determine your alliance, not get you to say something pro-town so I can put a townread on you. So on that note, I'm also done trying to persuade you to talk to me. Your unwillingness to talk to me gives me no choice but to read you as scum, so I'll do just that.

I want you to act your alignment. So really, I've gotten all I want from your behavior.

In post 358, buldermar wrote:

In post 351, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 343, buldermar wrote:

In post 334, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I've been constantly trying to talk to you because my read isn't set in stone yet. You've helped me push it towards scum, and your insistence that my reads aren't fluid is a major component of that.
I have bought up reasons where I've disagreed with you, and you've been tossing them aside with "lolbias" which just looks to me like scum trying to avoid justifying their views.

Okay orc, if your read on me isn't set in stone then you should stop posting from the perspective of me being scum and entertain the possibility of me being town.

I don't really get the impression that you're looking to talk to me, I get the impression that you're looking to make more accusations and call more things I do scummy to get people to vote me.

I accuse you of being scum for various reasons. I expect you to acknowledge them and tell me why they're wrong if you are town.

Your consistent refusal to do that tells me a lot about your alignment.

Pedit: You know what, this is getting quite ridiculous. Buldermar, every time you post something like "I'll respond to you only if others want me to" it reeks of scum dodging.

It's okay, you don't have to reply to me if you don't want to. It's fine. I'm over trying to talk to a wall. I'm lynching you today. We're done here.

Pedit: I've answered all the questions you've posed to me, Buldermar.
Mac, I was assuming that when you said obvscum that you meant shit like fence sitting or cheerleading. Noob scum, effectively.

Pedit: Refusing to talk to someone starting from...what, 16 hours into day 1? You weren't a very pro-town player.

Okay, I expect of you to be open to the possibility of me being town, then.

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that my consistent refusal tells you a lot about my alignment?

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that it looks like scum dodging when I respond that I'll only respond to you if others want me to?

I think your desire to talk to me has been faked, but I'll leave that up to others to decide.

I don't have anything to add to you thinking that I'm not at pro-town player - what is it that you expect me to say about this?

Really? My desire to talk to you is faked? That's the best you can come up with.

I'm not telling you what you're supposed to say. Why the fuck would I? I'm trying to determine your alliance, not get you to say something pro-town so I can put a townread on you. So on that note, I'm also done trying to persuade you to talk to me. Your unwillingness to talk to me gives me no choice but to read you as scum, so I'll do just that.

I want you to act your alignment. So really, I've gotten all I want from your behavior.

In post 368, buldermar wrote:I responded to Mac, not to you, so I'm going to once again disregard this unless Mac wants me to respond to any of it.

By the time I wake up tomorrow I wholeheartedly expect you to be at L-1, VT claim out, and for town to be waiting on my word to hammer.

368: Mac or anyone else other than you.

In post 369, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 358, buldermar wrote:

In post 351, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 343, buldermar wrote:

In post 334, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I've been constantly trying to talk to you because my read isn't set in stone yet. You've helped me push it towards scum, and your insistence that my reads aren't fluid is a major component of that.
I have bought up reasons where I've disagreed with you, and you've been tossing them aside with "lolbias" which just looks to me like scum trying to avoid justifying their views.

Okay orc, if your read on me isn't set in stone then you should stop posting from the perspective of me being scum and entertain the possibility of me being town.

I don't really get the impression that you're looking to talk to me, I get the impression that you're looking to make more accusations and call more things I do scummy to get people to vote me.

I accuse you of being scum for various reasons. I expect you to acknowledge them and tell me why they're wrong if you are town.

Your consistent refusal to do that tells me a lot about your alignment.

Pedit: You know what, this is getting quite ridiculous. Buldermar, every time you post something like "I'll respond to you only if others want me to" it reeks of scum dodging.

It's okay, you don't have to reply to me if you don't want to. It's fine. I'm over trying to talk to a wall. I'm lynching you today. We're done here.

Pedit: I've answered all the questions you've posed to me, Buldermar.
Mac, I was assuming that when you said obvscum that you meant shit like fence sitting or cheerleading. Noob scum, effectively.

Pedit: Refusing to talk to someone starting from...what, 16 hours into day 1? You weren't a very pro-town player.

Okay, I expect of you to be open to the possibility of me being town, then.

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that my consistent refusal tells you a lot about my alignment?

What am I supposed to say about you thinking that it looks like scum dodging when I respond that I'll only respond to you if others want me to?

I think your desire to talk to me has been faked, but I'll leave that up to others to decide.

I don't have anything to add to you thinking that I'm not at pro-town player - what is it that you expect me to say about this?

Really? My desire to talk to you is faked? That's the best you can come up with.

Really.

I'm not telling you what you're supposed to say. Why the fuck would I? I'm trying to determine your alliance, not get you to say something pro-town so I can put a townread on you. So on that note, I'm also done trying to persuade you to talk to me. Your unwillingness to talk to me gives me no choice but to read you as scum, so I'll do just that.

I want you to act your alignment. So really, I've gotten all I want from your behavior.

Is there anything else?

In post 363, fferyllt wrote:You know what strikes me as kind of odd? The three active players atm have all FoSed me but only Orcinus threw down a vote. It looks like testing the waters.

You're probably town for how strong my Buld read is.

Also: We're not in a hydra anymore. You need to read arguments that involve me.

Sheeping me onto Buld would be appreciated.